Value of: Chicago trading first overall
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The only way I see Vancouver having any chance to trade for Bedard is somehow acquiring 2 x top 5 picks this year and trading them along with 11OA and an unprotected 1st next year for Bedard. It would have to be an unreal futures package for Chicago to even consider it.
That would cost us Hughes and Pettersson for sure, and frankly, it just isn’t even close to being realistic for a multitude of reasons.
That would cost us Hughes and Pettersson for sure, and frankly, it just isn’t even close to being realistic for a multitude of reasons.
Let's say no way, if I'm Chicago. You can put all eight of those prospects on the table and I would say no if I'm Chicago. Be lucky if any are top 6 or top 4 forwards. Far from sure things. And Chicago does. Kucherov and Cernak have fantastic value but Chicago doesn't need guts like that. They'd have to flip them.
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Panthaz89
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You are completely clueless....all Buffalo has to do is add defensive depth and have a average goalie and we immediately are playoff contenders and possibly cup contenders in short order. Simply look at their roster currently and the age of the team.
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I've seen some really dumb posts before... I mean laughably dumb. Horrendous.
But this is really freaking up there.
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I think the only way Chicago would even think about it for one second is if the trade involves Pettersson + top 5 pick or 2nd overall + top 5 pick (if Vancouver trades with Ducks to get Fantilli pick somehow).
Picks 3+4 or 3+5 or 4+5 just aren't worth trading Bedard.
It's all insanely hypothetical and even then very unlikely. Chicago keeps the pick.
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Nor should they. Thompson is the best power forward to come since Lindros. Power is just a Mutiple Norris winner in waiting. Dahlin has finall found his game. The rebuild is near complete there the lack a competent goalie and they’re going to be contenders.
As to the hot new toy going to be picked by Chicago. He has not played a single game in the league yet so pump the breaks a bit here. Not to me mention he is going to be on a pretty pathetic team that has shown not improvement since they started the rebuild. The idea is get the 1 overall this year and still tank a couple more years picking 1 thru 3 expecting to catch the lightning in a bottle like they did with Taves and Kane. This is not an automatic look at Edmonton who picked top 5 multi years and are still not constructed to run deep.
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I truly believe that Fantilli is the better choice of the two. Been flamed enough for it and still hold steady with it. I see Bedard being a great player, obvious point producer, no doubt. But Fantilli should have the better career/hardware when all is said and done.
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I can see how in the short term it definitely looks favorable for Fantilli to walk onto a team like Anaheim which is further along in their rebuild, and has Zegras, MacT, Drys, Dostal, and a slew of unbelievable D prospects. It will be far easier to envision that club having success before we see Chicago turn a corner. So, while I don't agree on an individual perspective, I do see how Adam F. is more well setup initially to be successful.
I really hope Anaheim can navigate the cap well enough to keep a solid core together for a while. Would be a great group to see have some success.
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I saw online the other day that there's no guarantee that Chicago even chooses Bedard at the draft. Not sure how true this is.
Link?
Everything coming out in Chicago says nothing about any other player besides bedard.
i assume there are rumors from unknown sources the hawks are interested in either jt miller or josh anderson.
the only remaining question is the plus chicago adds to complete a deal.
SeanMoneyHands
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I can't remember where I saw it, it was on Facebook on one of the hockey pages that post pics with massive text to get you to click.
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See but I am not even "pidgeon-holing" Fantilli to Anaheim. Even if he falls all the way down to CBJ, San Jose, or even MTL for some reason (obviously probably won't), I still think he has more hardware by the end of his career.
By hardware, I mean the important ones (cup, selke, conn smythe etc.). The art ross and richard awards are great and all, but they are very individualistic and yes bedard would have a better opportunity to win those.
EddieTheEagle
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The "important" trophies you refer to are so team-based that the situation he goes into will be a major factor. Hell, I'd argue that the GM of the team he plays on would have a major role as to whether or not Fantilli is ever put in a position to win a Conny Smythe or Cup.
I'm not sure how you could say he'd go to a team like SJ and still have more hardware. What would make you believe SJ would do a good enough job rebuilding to make this happen? Or do you just believe that Fantilli is enough of a franchise-altering player that he'll elevate an entire club?
Nonetheless, I respect your opinion and agree that Fantilli is a big-time gamer, but there is nothing I've seen from Bedard that would suggest he is any less so. CB98 seems possessed for hockey. Aside from being physically bigger, there isn't a trait that I would say Fantilli has over Bedard.
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bolded - correct
I have no doubt bedard is going to be mcdavid-esque. Not going to argue this. I just see that he has great speed and a weird release of a shot that he is perfecting. He seems to have time and space in the canadian league he was in (granted he may be creating that space, as well) that fantilli didn't get in the NCAA. Bedard will be bullied in front of the net because he is a finesse player, which isn't a knock on him at all, it's just how he plays.
His shot is great, but I think actual nhl goalies will be able to prepare for it because they study film a hell of a lot more than minor leagues. Mcdavid has 50 bags of tricks for his shots and etc. But from everything I have seen, bedard has the one shot with some dangles that they love to keep talking about.
Could I also be jaded that the molesting franchise Chicago won the draft after not having to own up to anything and not having a franchise player for 3 months vs the red wings getting shafted every draft for the past 7 years? Yeah, maybe. But if you really want to go back in my posts from a few months ago, I was sayin the same thing with both of these guys.
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The last time Chicago picked 1st overall it worked out pretty well.
No chance KD trades that pick, he’d be chased out of town with pitchforks.
And we can probably all remember how Kane was supposed to be just a finesse player who gets bullied. It didn’t seem to bother him.
No chance KD trades that pick, he’d be chased out of town with pitchforks.
And we can probably all remember how Kane was supposed to be just a finesse player who gets bullied. It didn’t seem to bother him.
This is all a bunch of nonsense. Just say you’re a jealous Wings fan and be done with it.
