Value of: Chicago trading first overall

[Unbiased Fan]

The guy is literally talking out his arse and in circles.

In one sentence the Hawks need to trade quality (Bedard) for quantity (more mid 1st rounders), then when posted out that the Hawks have a crap load of those assests (1st rounders), they are all of a sudden basically worthless.

Now he says the Hawks prospect pool is crap. The more he posts the more you realize he hates the Hawks and is butt hurt they got Bedard.

Maybe I’m butthurt I traded huge assets in my fantasy pool for the number 1 pick and then am now disappointed he didn’t go to 1 of the other bottom 5 teams. Just a thought.

Hawks are actually my favourite team in the west but that Seth Jones trade and a few other miscalculated moves left them in a mess.

The new GM seems really going so that’s a positive

 

[Unbiased Fan]

How do you think players like Rantanen come into the League? Magic? As far as the prospect pool, you don't really know what you're talking about since the Hawks only blew "it" up pretty recently and it's quite solid if you know what you're looking at.

I see Riechel and 2 good prospects

 

[Happyhary9]

The hawks do not have 7th overall this year that pick belong to Philly. I’d take the buffalo package over Chicagos next 3 years of picks. Kulich and Levi might be the top two drafted prospects not currently playing in the NHL.

My point is the Blackhawks have no depth nor stars and depth>>>>> 1 generational talent, a couple of overpaid free agents, Riechel, and maybe 3/5 good players if they pan out. They need to fill in a whole roster besides Bedard and Reichel. That’s is 2 players that are NHL caliber in there whole system. ( not counting Jones ). What if Korchinsky and Nazar bust? ( the only 2 prospects in System that have any chance of being a impact player? ) I’m assuming the only way Bedard signs is if the Blackhawks spend to the celling and now they’re stuck with overpaid players like Taresanko, O’Rielly, Kuznetzkov, Ghost, JVR, Dumba, Klingberg ( wouldn’t be surprised if they signed them all this offseason and traded for Kuz ) now they have a local beer league caliber team with a few shiny toys.


They have 2 good prospects hardly a good let alone great prospect pool. + Reichel if you count him I’ll acknowledge he is a stud.

You don't read well. I said the 27 picks from 22-25 drafts which included #7 (KK) and #13 (Nazar) last year. Ya ya all of Buff prospects are the best. Best 2 drafted outside the NHL, haha. Buff has the best of everything Yada yada. It is not some huge void in prospects pools between Buffalo (5th THW) and Chicago (10th). You just don't know much about Chicago's prospects. Chicago has a ton of 3-6 type D guys and a lot of 2/3 line types already. Only a couple high end forwards in Riechel and Nazar. On D we have KK who looks like a top 2 guy. Rinzel has top 2 physical skill set, but is raw and could just be a boom or bust guy. Then outside of Bedard this year the Hawks have 5 picks in the top 60, in a deep draft.

Just listen to the Hawks GM, we are staying the rebuild course and if anything the Hawks are lookin to move up in this draft not trade a frigging generational type prospect for multiple lower guys. Again Hawks want more elite guys not quantity solid/good guys we have a ton of those plus a ton of picks.

Here how about a counter offer. We keep Bedard. We will send you Raddysh, Rinzel, Nazar, Allen, Basse, 19th this year and 1st (TB) next year. You send us Owen Power. Deal?

 

[Happyhary9]

Maybe I’m butthurt I traded huge assets in my fantasy pool for the number 1 pick and then am now disappointed he didn’t go to 1 of the other bottom 5 teams. Just a thought.

Hawks are actually my favourite team in the west but that Seth Jones trade and a few other miscalculated moves left them in a mess.

The new GM seems really going so that’s a positive

I think he will still put up good numbers next year. It is all out his line mates. Riechel is NHL ready and will probably line up with him. While yes Jone was a stupid move (and overpaid) he will still be good on the PP point for Bedard on the PP. I think the Hawks will look to sign an older guy who have some scoring left to play with the kids on the 1st line. They can afford to overpay on a 1/2 year deal, plus then just trade him at the DL for more picks when the time comes.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Here is what it would realistically take for Chicago to move back 1 spot in the draft:

To Anaheim:
2023 1st overall pick (Bedard)

To Chicago:
2023 2nd overall pick
Mason McTavish
Jamie Drysdale

Even that might not get it done.

Hughes,Hughes, Hirschier, Nemec, Holtz, and 2024 1st for Bedard.

Would that be close to a Lindros type trade?

Not that NJ does it.

Actually....NJ would never consider it.

Chicago would have Bedard on the first plane out to Newark.

Jack Hughes alone might have a better career than Connor Bedard.... WTF is this?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Here is what it would realistically take for Chicago to move back 1 spot in the draft:

To Anaheim:
2023 1st overall pick (Bedard)

To Chicago:
2023 2nd overall pick
Mason McTavish
Jamie Drysdale

Even that might not get it done.



Jack Hughes alone might have a better career than Connor Bedard.... WTF is this?

That's the outrageous haul Chicago would want. And Fitzgerald proceeds to block any illinois area code.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

You don't read well. I said the 27 picks from 22-25 drafts which included #7 (KK) and #13 (Nazar) last year. Ya ya all of Buff prospects are the best. Best 2 drafted outside the NHL, haha. Buff has the best of everything Yada yada. It is not some huge void in prospects pools between Buffalo (5th THW) and Chicago (10th). You just don't know much about Chicago's prospects. Chicago has a ton of 3-6 type D guys and a lot of 2/3 line types already. Only a couple high end forwards in Riechel and Nazar. On D we have KK who looks like a top 2 guy. Rinzel has top 2 physical skill set, but is raw and could just be a boom or bust guy. Then outside of Bedard this year the Hawks have 5 picks in the top 60, in a deep draft.

Just listen to the Hawks GM, we are staying the rebuild course and if anything the Hawks are lookin to move up in this draft not trade a frigging generational type prospect for multiple lower guys. Again Hawks want more elite guys not quantity solid/good guys we have a ton of those plus a ton of picks.

Here how about a counter offer. We keep Bedard. We will send you Raddysh, Rinzel, Nazar, Allen, Basse, 19th this year and 1st (TB) next year. You send us Owen Power. Deal?

Take out Allen, Raddysh, Rinzel, Basse ( waiver fodder players ) And add Korchinsky ( same level as Savoie but abit worse imo ) then it’s fair imo.

 

[T_Cage]

Even if from a value perspective it would make sense to trade down to 2 (and it would, Fantilli is legit), the risk of "missing" out on Bedard if he is generational is too great, so Chicago will be taking him.

Barring a Lindros like offer from someone, it's not even a discussion

 

[Happyhary9]

Take out Allen, Raddysh, Rinzel, Basse ( waiver fodder players ) And add Korchinsky ( same level as Savoie but abit worse imo ) then it’s fair imo.

Remember though Power doesn't have the value of Bedard, that's why the deal was less then the Buffalo deal.

I hate deals that my team gives up the best player (unless you have to for money or other reasons. So KK, Nazar, 19th, and 1st TB next year. Ya I would do that for Power. Still won't trade Bedard for what you offered. Just to big of a difference between Bedard and the best player in the Buffalo package. I love Power but he is not the level of a Bedard either. Power has the potential to be a number 1 or at least amazing 2 dman.demand. While KK could be that Power is the far safer bet. To me Bedard will be a top 3 elite center. Basically you better offer a package that you would be willing to accept for Dahlin. Two types of position players you don't trade (unless massive overpay) in hockey a top 5 center or a top 5 Dman.

 

[Gabrielor]

Bedard for Dahlin + Thompson + Power would have to be the base to get Chicago to MAYBE consider, and Buffalo would never consider that in a million years. Even if you can find a trade that Chicago agrees to, the other team sending way too much in the trade won't agree to it.

You’re absolutely right that buffalo says no way.

Happy for chi getting Bedard.

For once, buffalo doesn’t need to dream of insane maneuvers for generational talents. Just building our team.

 

[Putt Pirate]

You’re absolutely right that buffalo says no way.

Happy for chi getting Bedard.

For once, Chicago doesn’t need to dream of insane maneuvers for generational talents. Just building our team.

Fixed it for you. I mean, you had Eichel even and traded him away. Buff is in continually rebuild mode it seems.

 

[jamienwalker]

read an article the other day, not sure who from, but it was on my phone (one of the headlines of the day). it mentioned teams that could offer packages for him. Jersey, Carolina, and Buffalo were a few, but i only looked at the Buffalo offer (me being a Sabres fan) It suggested something like Tuch, Skinner, Thompson, and Cozens for Bedard.

 

[jamienwalker]

Fixed it for you. I mean, you had Eichel even and traded him away. Buff is in continually rebuild mode it seems.

Buffalo got Eichel, but was robbed of McDavid. which would you rather have?

 

[Sparksrus3]

The season ticket interest increased so much once he got drafted, the jerseys and what it does for the franchise...yea he's not getting traded.

He's the pillar on which you build around now.

when did the draft happen ? Doesn’t the season have to end first?

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Would take something crazy.

Pettersson, Demko, and Hughes for 1st OA.

Vancouver wouldn't do it.

I think they would do it. Chicago on the other hand...

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Does anybody think Chicago would trade first overall(Bedard) for second overall(fantilli?)

I was thinking of a hypothetical sedinesque scenario where the Canucks make a series of moves to get Bedard. Say something like​

CBJ: 3rd oa -- Canucks 11 oa, JT. Miller+..?

ANA: 2nd oa -- Canucks 3rd oa+ podkolzin/lekkarimaki

Chicago 1st oa -- Canucks 2nd oa+ podkolzin/lekkarimaki +future 1st

It's probably to many moving parts for it to happen, but would the value be there for the teams?

There is a limited list of players in the league I think they would at least take time to consider:

McDavid​

Draisaitl​

Dahlin​

J. Hughs​

Makar​

M. Tkachuk​

​

Anyone else as single asset probably would not move the needle. The gap between him and Fantilli is a giant gulf, as good as the top 4 all are this year.

From any other team, you are talking about a historically large package that would make them consider. E.g. from the Blues, not that I'm advocating for this, would need to be something like:

Kyrou​

Thomas​

Buchnevich​

10th overall​

Parayko​

one of the later 1st rounders​

additional good prospects.​

 

[Ron C.]

You don't trade McDavid when you draft him and you don't trade Bedard.

 

[BlueSeal]

*sits down, collects his thoughts, takes a sip of coffee, puckers his lips*

No.

 

[WTFMAN99]

when did the draft happen ? Doesn’t the season have to end first?

Once the lottery balls fell their way *

 

[Sparksrus3]

Once the lottery balls fell their way *

I did not know it happened the same day . Sorry

 

[WTFMAN99]

I did not know it happened the same day . Sorry

That's okay, move along.

 

[Space umpire]

No thank you?

That is a haul that immediately puts Chicago on the fast track to contending.

Pettersson doesn’t appear nearly as good as Bedard. Hughes would be a nice get but Demko is not a needle mover and #11 is far back for a deal like this.

The Ducks win with Mactavish, Drysdale, Dostal, Gaucher and of course Fantilli.

I see Riechel and 2 good prospects

5th ranked prospect pool by HN and that’s after being 20 something 2 years ago.

 

[Space umpire]

I see Riechel and 2 good prospects

^^^^^
How to let people know you know little about hockey without actually telling them you know little about hockey.

 

[Rorschach]

Does anybody think Chicago would trade first overall(Bedard) for second overall(fantilli?)

I was thinking of a hypothetical sedinesque scenario where the Canucks make a series of moves to get Bedard. Say something like

CBJ: 3rd oa -- Canucks 11 oa, JT. Miller+..?

ANA: 2nd oa -- Canucks 3rd oa+ podkolzin/lekkarimaki

Chicago 1st oa -- Canucks 2nd oa+ podkolzin/lekkarimaki +future 1st

It's probably to many moving parts for it to happen, but would the value be there for the teams?

They traded Patrick Kane and had Toews retire. There’s no way they lose all the faces of the franchise and then trade the Bedard pick.

 

[Point21]

Lets get crazy:
Kucherov + Cernak + one or two of Howard/Huuhtanen/Groshev/Thompson/Schmidt/Carlile/Duke/Finley for Bedard