Value of: Chicago trading first overall

[Space umpire]

I know I have made a bunch of L takes and have been an sarcastic ass hat to people on this board but there are some things better left not being posted

But ER is not wrong.

I know I have made a bunch of L takes and have been an sarcastic ass hat to people on this board but there are some things better left not being posted

But ER is not wrong

 

[Idionym]

Let me be clear - my comments in no way is meant to excuse or exonerate the Hawks organization for covering up the incident - that was the wrong thing to do.

My comments stem from my dislike for Beach long before this incident happened. He was the 1st round draft pick of the Hawks so I delved into everything I could find out about him over and above his stats. What I eventually came to understand is that he was an asshat of the first order. He was a bully with an attitude that would ragdoll a team mate in practice - twice. The fact that he was a mental midget was not clear to me until I heard of this incident where he allowed a scrawny little guy to seduce him into doing things that he would later say was against his will. BS - he could have stopped it before it started or anytime afterward - but it's fashionable to show yourself in support of the so-called victim even though you don't really know what happened.

Calling someone a “mental midget” because they got sexually assaulted is a sure sign that you need to look in the mirror and educate yourself because damn dude this is a TERRIBLE look.

 

[slappipappi]

Let me be clear - my comments in no way is meant to excuse or exonerate the Hawks organization for covering up the incident - that was the wrong thing to do.

My comments stem from my dislike for Beach long before this incident happened. He was the 1st round draft pick of the Hawks so I delved into everything I could find out about him over and above his stats. What I eventually came to understand is that he was an asshat of the first order. He was a bully with an attitude that would ragdoll a team mate in practice - twice. The fact that he was a mental midget was not clear to me until I heard of this incident where he allowed a scrawny little guy to seduce him into doing things that he would later say was against his will. BS - he could have stopped it before it started or anytime afterward - but it's fashionable to show yourself in support of the so-called victim even though you don't really know what happened.

May I remind you that you don’t really know what happened either.

 

[Sinbad]

Building a Dynasty to out class the Original 6 Canadian and the 80s oilers.

Chicago: 1st overall

Anaheim: McTavish, Drysdale, 2nd overall and 2024 1st unprotected

Next

Chicago: 2nd overall

San Jose: Eklund and 4th overall

Draft Michkov at 4th

Next

Eklund for Lafranier

Next Korchinsky for Byfield

Korchinsky and 1st overall out

Byfield, Lafranier, Michkov, McTavish, Drysdale and 2024 1st in

There is no way I would trade Korchinski; a potential # 1 d-man and PP quarterback; for Byfield, who at this point is trending to be a bust when considering his draft position.

 

[Sinbad]

I’m just going to have fun with this:

Chicago fans, what do you think of this proposal:


2023 11th, our 2 3rd round picks
2024 1st, 3rd, 4th (we have no 2nd rounders)
2025 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Lekkerimaki
Hoglander
Silovs
Boeser

For 1st overall pick Lol

The problem with your proposal, other then the fact, that the Hawks will not trade the 1st OA pick is Vancouver is not giving up any of their top of the roster players.

If the deal you are proposing was to happen then the Canucks still have Hughes, Pettersson, Kuzmenko, Miller, Demko, Garland, Beauvillier, Hronek etc. Adding Bedard could very well make this a playoff calibre team which means those future 1st round picks are # 18 - 20 or later. Chances of the Hawks being able to land an elite talent with those picks is slim to none, they will just end up being guys; 2nd liners or 3/4 d-men at best, not nearly enough for a potential generational type talent.

For me, any hypothetical deal with the Canucks includes either Hughes or Pettersson and Demko and then add the multiple 1sts and filler pieces. The Hawks end up with one very good player, a high end goalie and future draft picks which should carry significantly more value since the trade has weaken the Canucks current roster.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Riechel will be a full time NHLer next season ( not a prospect)


I just explained my take. Maybe I’ll say bottom 5 without Korchinsky and Reichel.


What NHL teams?

The Canuck’s for one.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

There is no way I would trade Korchinski; a potential # 1 d-man and PP quarterback; for Byfield, who at this point is trending to be a bust when considering his draft position.

He’s looking like a better version of Tage thompson. Wouldn’t call a sure fire 100 point player a bust. No he’s not McDavid but he will be a top 30 player

The Canuck’s for one.

Uhh Elias Petterson, Quinn Hughes, Boeser, Miller, Kuz, Demko, vs Bedard and a team that wouldn’t even win most midget AAA tournaments

 

[Sinbad]

He’s looking like a better version of Tage thompson. Wouldn’t call a sure fire 100 point player a bust. No he’s not McDavid but he will be a top 30 player

We will have to agree to disagree and let time tell the true story.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

It literally doesn’t matter what size or personality type Beach was. It doesn’t change what happened and you bringing it up in this context makes it sound like you’re putting blame on him.

Good lord stop with the Beach crap already.

Kyle Beach was a piece of shit long before the incident and anybody pointing out the clown was a piece of shit before the incident isn't victim blaming.

Is it OK to make fun of a person with physical deformities? Kyle Beach did before the incident and got his assed kicked because of it.

Is it OK to bully younger and smaller players? Kyle Beach sure as shit did and got knocked out cold once because of it by a kid a foot shorter then him.

But don't believe me;

How good could Kyle Beach have been?

The sky was the limit for Beach before he was sexually assaulted in 2010. Could he have been an NHL power forward or even a bottom-six forward? Or was he destined to be a career minor leaguer?

kencampbell.substack.com

Anybody making Kyle Beach out as some martyr doesn't know Kyle Beach.

 

[TageGod]

He’s looking like a better version of Tage thompson. Wouldn’t call a sure fire 100 point player a bust. No he’s not McDavid but he will be a top 30 player

Imagine someone looking like a better Tage Thompson. Did prime Mario Lemieux just inhabit Byfield or something? Your name is coming off a bit ironic right now. Also 100 points a season is top 30?

 

[Putt Pirate]

He’s looking like a better version of Tage thompson. Wouldn’t call a sure fire 100 point player a bust. No he’s not McDavid but he will be a top 30 player


Uhh Elias Petterson, Quinn Hughes, Boeser, Miller, Kuz, Demko, vs Bedard and a team that wouldn’t even win most midget AAA tournaments

Where the hell have ANY of those players taken you? On top of cap hell, rotunda of GMs and coaches. Without even trying dude.

 

[hawksrule]

He’s looking like a better version of Tage thompson. Wouldn’t call a sure fire 100 point player a bust. No he’s not McDavid but he will be a top 30 player


Uhh Elias Petterson, Quinn Hughes, Boeser, Miller, Kuz, Demko, vs Bedard and a team that wouldn’t even win most midget AAA tournaments

Between the Beach stuff and Byfield supposedly being a sure fire 100 point player, it’s time to put this thread out of its misery.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

And how does Draisaitl fit into the Chicago rebuild timeline?

They accelerate it because they've landed one of the top 3-4 players in hockey. Yes, I think Draisaitl is that good that you'd scrap any suck until you're good strats if he's available.

I heard it’s a good game. I only recently got out of the foster care system I’m 2019 so unfortunately growing up I never had the chance to afford things like that. Is it really that good for simulating trades?


Why?

No. He's poking fun at you. EA games are terrible at simulating anything resembling real-life trades. And you aren't dealing with real people who would really get fired if they traded the whole team for draft picks or 20 year olds... or a person controlling them so that a team of AHL never-weres can win the division by using the cheap exploit goals.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Good lord stop with the Beach crap already.

Kyle Beach was a piece of shit long before the incident and anybody pointing out the clown was a piece of shit before the incident isn't victim blaming.

Is it OK to make fun of a person with physical deformities? Kyle Beach did before the incident and got his assed kicked because of it.

Is it OK to bully younger and smaller players? Kyle Beach sure as shit did and got knocked out cold once because of it by a kid a foot shorter then him.

But don't believe me;

How good could Kyle Beach have been?

The sky was the limit for Beach before he was sexually assaulted in 2010. Could he have been an NHL power forward or even a bottom-six forward? Or was he destined to be a career minor leaguer?

kencampbell.substack.com

Anybody making Kyle Beach out as some martyr doesn't know Kyle Beach.

An asshole victim is still a victim.

Kyle Beach being a piece of shit doesn't maen that it's okay that a team was either a) asleep at the wheel when he got molested or b) actively covered it up.

You stop with it. You can hate what Beach did while empathizing with the fact that what happened to him sucked.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Let me be clear - my comments in no way is meant to excuse or exonerate the Hawks organization for covering up the incident - that was the wrong thing to do.

My comments stem from my dislike for Beach long before this incident happened. He was the 1st round draft pick of the Hawks so I delved into everything I could find out about him over and above his stats. What I eventually came to understand is that he was an asshat of the first order. He was a bully with an attitude that would ragdoll a team mate in practice - twice. The fact that he was a mental midget was not clear to me until I heard of this incident where he allowed a scrawny little guy to seduce him into doing things that he would later say was against his will. BS - he could have stopped it before it started or anytime afterward - but it's fashionable to show yourself in support of the so-called victim even though you don't really know what happened.

And yeah, this is a very very bad take. He (Beach) definitely appears to have been a complete dickwad before that happened. But wasn't the guy who did it like the video assistant or head video guy or something? So he could easily weasel in and say "I'll put the "Kyle Beach highlights" front and center on the desk of the GM/Coach and keep putting in words so you could get on Toews and Kane's line or something. Physical size isn't the only power that can have an imbalance in a relationship like this.

 

[monkforasia]

With how little pieces the hawks have right now, trying to "accelerate" their rebuild is the last thing they should do. There is zero chance they trade the #1 and yes even for mcdavid. Bedard is going to be a star.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Between the Beach stuff and Byfield supposedly being a sure fire 100 point player, it’s time to put this thread out of its misery.

So you believe Thompson at 20 looked better then Byfield?

Imagine someone looking like a better Tage Thompson. Did prime Mario Lemieux just inhabit Byfield or something? Your name is coming off a bit ironic right now. Also 100 points a season is top 30?

Well you tell me in all honesty. Did Byfield or Thompson look better in there D+3 season?

 

[TageGod]

So you believe Thompson at 20 looked better then Byfield?


Well you tell me in all honesty. Did Byfield or Thompson look better in there D+3 season?

Why are we comparing projections? You are projecting out Byfield as better than Thompson, while Thompson is already developed. D+3 means nothing everyone has different development curves. Development is not linear. You are stating Byfield will be better than Thompson because he had a better D+3. Looks like about 200 players will have 100 point seasons soon here cuz Thompson was almost out of the league which means countless players had better D+3.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

May I remind you that you don’t really know what happened either.

Anyone with an ounce of sense and a knowledge of who Kyle Beach was before this incident happened can deduce with certainty that Beach wasn't an entirely innocent victim the way people not in the know portray him.

Andrew Shaw was recently interviewed on the Raw Knuckles podcast and Chris Nilan asked him toward the end of the interview about the Kyle Beach thing - listen to his answer - he knows what happened and he knows Beach isn't the innocent victim.

 

[TageGod]

A victim is a Victim no matter how good or bad the person is. It either happened to you or it didn't. If you want to argue whether he deserved it or had it coming or it is somehow less screwed up because he was a jerk? I am going to say something quite galaxy brain here....a trade proposal thread is not the place.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Does anybody think Chicago would trade first overall(Bedard) for second overall(fantilli?)

I was thinking of a hypothetical sedinesque scenario where the Canucks make a series of moves to get Bedard. Say something like

CBJ: 3rd oa -- Canucks 11 oa, JT. Miller+..?

ANA: 2nd oa -- Canucks 3rd oa+ podkolzin/lekkarimaki

Chicago 1st oa -- Canucks 2nd oa+ podkolzin/lekkarimaki +future 1st

It's probably to many moving parts for it to happen, but would the value be there for the teams?

What...is this mess?

Never happen. Like ever.

Canucks don't have the assets to make this possible and even retaining the MAX on Miller would probably not get CBJ alone to bite, let alone manage to make Anaheim want to swap for Podkolzin who is trending towards the mediocre or Lekkerimaki who is literally nobody which means that offering one of the mediocre or nobody + a future 1st is going to have even less appeal to Chicago

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I'm less concerned about looking terrible than speaking truth - you ought to try it sometime.

Speaking truth is that Kyle Beach got taken advantage of by a guy that had more sway with the Chicago Blackhawks than he did. Beach was a borderline NHLer and knew it.

Speaking truth is not saying "How dare big strong man be taken advantage of by little scrawny man". That's like "why does Ross, being the largest Friend, simply not eat the others. The guy who did it made it clear he had some sway over the Blackhawks' usage of Beach and if you're a borderline AHL/NHL guy and someone holds your NHL future in their hands (or you think they do), the fact that you're bigger than a house and they're a horse jockey in comparison doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

With how little pieces the hawks have right now, trying to "accelerate" their rebuild is the last thing they should do. There is zero chance they trade the #1 and yes even for mcdavid. Bedard is going to be a star.

I was just stating that if they did try to acquire Draisaitl... they're no longer rebuilding. That's a going for it move. Because you have Bedard and you have time. Those two assets should turn Connor Bedard into one of the best players in the league and you'll have an equivalent player to Draisaitl in a couple years. If you're trading for him now, you're trying to shortcut the development time, which means you gotta go for it.

I didn't say it was a good idea, but that would be the idea if you were targeting Leon as Chicago.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Why are we comparing projections? You are projecting out Byfield as better than Thompson, while Thompson is already developed. D+3 means nothing everyone has different development curves. Development is not linear. You are stating Byfield will be better than Thompson because he had a better D+3. Looks like about 200 players will have 100 point seasons soon here cuz Thompson was almost out of the league which means countless players had better D+3.

Well how many players are 6 foot 5 and skate just as good as Mackinnon and have hands on par with Datsyuk. The list is Thompson and Byfield.

Well actually Byfield is as good of a skater as Mack and Thompson is not.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Gotta love when somebody doubles, triples, and quadruples down on an incredibly awful opinion.