Post-Game Talk: Oilers win by the Skin of their teeth

[CupofOil]

His issue is not one but many flaws. The guy is even worse than Koskinen. I wouldn't say it hyperbole as the numbers of goalies I would take over Skinner is a lot like around 50. More or less.

He's not worse than Koskinen, that's a silly comparison. Koskinen consistently crumbled the moment he had to assume a #1 role. Skinner has had two seasons of decent to good numbers as a true #1. Completely invalid comparison. Might as well say that Pickard would be a better 55+ game starter.

But this is just going in circles so we'll just agree to disagree. I don't have the energy for this anymore haha

 

[Canovin]

He's not worse than Koskinen, that's a silly comparison. Koskinen consistently crumbled the moment he had to assume a #1 role. Skinner has had two seasons of decent to good numbers as a true #1. Completely invalid comparison. Might as well say that Pickard would be a better 55+ game starter.

But this is just going in circles so we'll just agree to disagree. I don't have the energy for this anymore haha

He is worse than Koskinen. Think about the team that Koskinen was playing behind versus Stuart.

 

[brentashton]

His issue is not one but many flaws. The guy is even worse than Koskinen. I wouldn't say it hyperbole as the numbers of goalies I would take over Skinner is a lot like around 50. More or less.

I’d take Koskinen over Skinner as well.

 

[McFlyingV]

He's not worse than Koskinen, that's a silly comparison. Koskinen consistently crumbled the moment he had to assume a #1 role. Skinner has had two seasons of decent to good numbers as a true #1. Completely invalid comparison. Might as well say that Pickard would be a better 55+ game starter.

But this is just going in circles so we'll just agree to disagree. I don't have the energy for this anymore haha

Koskinen is kind of a tale of two goalies. His first 2 seasons here he was actually quite solid, but his last two were quite poor and he was consistently getting outperformed by Mike Smith those 2 final years which is why he essentially washed out of the NHL.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

20% of season is done and RNH is running Janmark production. The only difference is 5X the pay and Nuge being on first unit PP and first line mostly and Janmark getting all his pts without any PP time or topsix time. Really its embarrassing how nothing RNH has been. He's not even being 200ft solid and he's taken some bad penalties.

The reality is Janmark has been much better than Nuge this season. How can that even happen?

Henrique really struggling. Nothing going for him. So many of our forwards really having off years. Sure more will come but we're significantly into season now and only two forwards that have more than 3 goals. Just abysmal.

Janmark was ass until Caggiula came up an pushed him. RNH needs a push, maybe that comes from Savoie later in the season? He's made some good plays here and there but overall he needs to be more impactful.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Something happened. He looks like the player we always wished he was. These last three weeks have been the best in his career imo

He looks super strong on the puck again and just overall looks like he's on another level. If we see the best of Connor and Leon this season and get some upgrades at the deadline this could be a really, really good season for Oilers fans.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Every season you have injuries and slumps but you also have surprises that offset your short comings Name anyone other than Kulak who is over performing expectations

Draisaitl and Janmark.

 

[Da McBomb]

Kulak has been really good this season... he usually steps it up during the playoffs but looks like he is doing it during the regular season now as well as he is getting more opportunity for bigger minutes. Really glad we kept him around and not moved him like Ceci. I told Kulak's mom how great Brett has been playing this year when she came into my work lol. She was really happy about his season so far too... great lady.

 

[Lacaar]

Hell yeah! Is second pre-season over?

That is a classic Oilers win.

Score some goals as the other teams goalie is made to look all world and severely outplays our tender.

This game had no business what so ever being this close.
The Oilers should have scored more and the Islanders should have scored less.

This is the team I know. Incredibly entertaining while being incredibly frustrating haha.

 

[TB12]

No we seemed like the better team with the worse goalie most of the time.

You don’t need a number 1 goalie to get better than 70th in the league goaltending.

This. A clear upgrade is legitimately almost anyone else that's not Skinner haha. Go the Vegas route and just claim a few guys and ride them to see who gets hot. Legitimately cannot be worse than what Skinner has given this team.

 

[ManByng]

Hell yeah! Is second pre-season over?

That is a classic Oilers win.

Score some goals as the other teams goalie is made to look all world and severely outplays our tender.

This game had no business what so ever being this close.
The Oilers should have scored more and the Islanders should have scored less.

This is the team I know. Incredibly entertaining while being incredibly frustrating haha.

Oilers can’t play defense so if they want to try to win the cup this year they better tighten things up! Imagine if the Oilers had the strong defensive game that the Minnesota Wild have! I wish the Oilers would start drafting the way Chia did when he first showed up, he saw the need to draft more d-men in our system so he took 9 of them in his first 2 drafts.

 

[TB12]

Oilers can’t play defense so if they want to try to win the cup this year they better tighten things up! Imagine if the Oilers had the strong defensive game that the Minnesota Wild have! I wish the Oilers would start drafting the way Chia did when he first showed up, he saw the need to draft more d-men in our system so he took 9 of them in his first 2 drafts.

The oilers defensive metrics are actually very very good this year and last year. EVERY TEAM HAS BREAKDOWNS. It's the NHL, you're playing world class players every night. The difference is the Oilers have a goalie with some of the worst movement and fundamentals you will ever see so that almost every breakdown (which, I repeat, every team has) winds up in the back of their net.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'm going to say this as loudly and firmly as possible.

If you think this team, the Edmonton Oilers, can't play defense, you Don't Know what Defense is.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Every season you have injuries and slumps but you also have surprises that offset your short comings Name anyone other than Kulak who is over performing expectations

That Silly Podkolzin

 

[Shanahanigans]

Re- Skinner. Plenty of evidence that the goaltender problems with this team are with the goalie coach. Several goalies have left and managed to do better elsewhere. Teams like Boston, Vancouver, Florida and the Rangers pumping out good goalies is not a coincidence- development matters for goalies more than any other position. Skinner has some obvious flaws, like lateral movement and seeing through even the slightest screens. Get him a real goalie coach! Schwartz has been here for a decade, was an Oil Kings hire in the Lowe/Green era, and has not developed a single full time starter aside from Skinner.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Oilers have the #1 PK in the league by xGA. But are dead last in GA. A difference of -10.3
Our team does outrageously well on the PK to defend chances but our goalies both struggle heavily on the PK.

 

[McFlyingV]

Oilers can’t play defense so if they want to try to win the cup this year they better tighten things up! Imagine if the Oilers had the strong defensive game that the Minnesota Wild have! I wish the Oilers would start drafting the way Chia did when he first showed up, he saw the need to draft more d-men in our system so he took 9 of them in his first 2 drafts.

The Oilers play strong defence by controlling the play and having the puck all the time, just like they did last year. Their goalies just suck.

Oilers have the #1 PK in the league by xGA. But are dead last in GA. A difference of -10.3
Our team does outrageously well on the PK to defend chances but our goalies both struggle heavily on the PK.

They've allowed multiple unscreened or minimally screened point shots to go five hole with minimal to no deflection, and power plays expose Skinner's terrible lateral movement.

 

[MoontoScott]

Absolutely, 1000pts is incredible, 1000pts in under 700 games is all-time shit.

Sometimes we take him for granted. You know he's frustrated with the goaltending but he's a gentleman and is not going to throw the guy under the bus. At the same time he knows that you only get so many chances.

Between Mc-D and Gretzky, we as Oiler fans have been spoiled silly but something I appreciate about both of them is that unlike so many celebrities, they are not prima-donnas. A real treat to have watched both of them over the years.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

I am getting that 2006 feeling slowly. The one where I see how we were playing. Supressing shots to under 20 almost every game. Getting let down by tending.

We will have our "Roloson" this year. Just a matter of time

2006? I'd rather it feel like 1990.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Oilers have the #1 PK in the league by xGA. But are dead last in GA. A difference of -10.3
Our team does outrageously well on the PK to defend chances but our goalies both struggle heavily on the PK.

Is that a per 60 stat? Wouldn’t surprise me if the oilers are giving up less xGA on the PK because they get scored on quickly and by the first shot directed at the net.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Is that a per 60 stat? Wouldn’t surprise me if the oilers are giving up less xGA on the PK because they get scored on quickly and by the first shot directed at the net.

That stat is per 60, yes.

 

[Oilers88]

Is that a per 60 stat? Wouldn’t surprise me if the oilers are giving up less xGA on the PK because they get scored on quickly and by the first shot directed at the net.

Both- We actually have the best xGA/60 in the NHL on the PK. We've also taken the 6th fewest penalties of any team in the NHL this year, have the best xGA/60 while shorthanded, and still have allowed the second most goals against in the NHL when shorthanded.

Our save percentage while shorthanded is 69% (worst in the league). Bear in mind these stats don't really account for lateral puck movement so they might flatter our penalty killers a bit, but it's still fair to say that goaltending has been a big part of the problem this year.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You missed my point. @brentashton posted the save pct. and I was using Saros as an example of a goalie who is highly regarded that had a save pct. similar to Skinner. Same with Oettinger, who Skinner outdueled in the playoffs btw. I'm not saying that Skinner is as good as Saros.

As I said, I acknowledge Skinner's flaws but there's some major hyperbole around here when people say that there's 50+ goalies that would be clear upgrades on Skinner and that he's a backup at best.

1 great playoff series in his life. Even with that he still has historically bad playoffs numbers.

Considering how good our team is… yes I think a lot of goalies would be able to match that. Pickard was in the AHL for half a decade + and performs just as well… if not better than Skinner.

 

[Zerotonine]

Koskinen is kind of a tale of two goalies. His first 2 seasons here he was actually quite solid, but his last two were quite poor and he was consistently getting outperformed by Mike Smith those 2 final years which is why he essentially washed out of the NHL.

Imagine Koskinen getting the goal support Skinner has had. Atleast Koskinen could make a key save here and there

 

[Oilslick941611]

Hell yeah! Is second pre-season over?

That is a classic Oilers win.

Score some goals as the other teams goalie is made to look all world and severely outplays our tender.

This game had no business what so ever being this close.
The Oilers should have scored more and the Islanders should have scored less.

This is the team I know. Incredibly entertaining while being incredibly frustrating haha.

yeah, but at least this time the other goalie is elite and not some scrub getting his first start in the NHl, or some back up.