Seravalli: Chiarot being scratched until traded?

[Goldenhands]

Lol

What is so funny? Chairot alone = 1st +. If we add Allen, who is signed for another season at reasonable salary and take on Mrazek's contract, thats easily a fair return.

 

[Suave]

Someone will pay a 1st for Chiarot. Maybe not the Leafs or the Canes, but somebody. Would not be surprised if it's St. Louis, who genuinely need one more LHed top-4 D. He's a player that becomes far more effective when the pace slows in the postseason. See the last playoffs as the prime example.

Something around Neighbours. Please.

 

[burstnbloom]

Because hockey is played on the ice not on a computer chart.

lol what do you think the chart is talking about?

 

[Just a Fan]

What is so funny? Chairot alone = 1st +. If we add Allen, who is signed for another season at reasonable salary and take on Mrazek's contract, thats easily a fair return.

Politely, that's an easy pass.

 

[Vachon23]

lol what do you think the chart is talking about?

Honestly, sometime when I look at those chart I'm really asking myself what they are talking about. Especially for Dmen.

 

[Nylanderthal]

What is so funny? Chairot alone = 1st +. If we add Allen, who is signed for another season at reasonable salary and take on Mrazek's contract, thats easily a fair return.

What is so funny? Chairot alone = 1st +. If we add Allen, who is signed for another season at reasonable salary and take on Mrazek's contract, thats easily a fair return.

Chiarot isn’t getting a first let alone +. If that was the case he’d be gone by now. A better player in Manson just moved with half retention for a 2nd next year and a B/c prospect

 

[pth2]

Something around Neighbours. Please.

Zack Bolduc please.

 

[lamp9post]

3 years difference between them, though.

If you think both will retain their values over the 5 year terms (hypothetical in Chiarot's case) of their contract, age doesn't really matter in this context. If you think Chiarot will decline to the point of being worse than Risto in year 4/5, then maybe reconsideration is warranted.

Given the track record of both, I take Chiarot for the next 5 years over Risto for the next 5 years given similar AAV.

 

[CupInSIX]

Something around Neighbours. Please.

Everybody needs good Neighbours.

 

[lamp9post]

Chiarot isn’t getting a first let alone +. If that was the case he’d be gone by now. A better player in Manson just moved with half retention for a 2nd next year and a B/c prospect

Can you explain the logic behind this statement?

 

[Suave]

Chiarot isn’t getting a first let alone +. If that was the case he’d be gone by now. A better player in Manson just moved with half retention for a 2nd next year and a B/c prospect

He chose to lift his NMC to go to Colorado.

 

[BlueOil]

Something around Neighbours. Please.

heck no, what a terrible move this would be for doug armstrong. he's typically a smarter gm than that

 

[Petes2424]

We’ve all seen the Leafs do dumber things than give up a 1st for a player like Chiarot. At this point, sure, he’d be a small upgrade but let’s be honest… We all know what management needs to concentrate on. You could add Nick Lidstrom in his prime and it won’t matter if nothing changes in net. So why waste the pick?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Can you explain the logic behind this statement?

Why hang onto an asset risking injury or a change of heart/direction from your trade mate when you’ve gotten your asking price?

 

[CupInSIX]

All I know is that GMs have been asking for the moon but Toffoli & Manson went for very fair prices.

 

[pth2]

Chiarot isn’t getting a first let alone +. If that was the case he’d be gone by now. A better player in Manson just moved with half retention for a 2nd next year and a B/c prospect

That B/C prospect is rated as equivalent to a 1st rounder by some, so it's very subjective.... which means we need to be cautious in our analyses.

Also, part of the reason rentals are moved late in the year is for acquiring teams to have accrued enough cap space.

 

[Goldenhands]

Chiarot isn’t getting a first let alone +. If that was the case he’d be gone by now. A better player in Manson just moved with half retention for a 2nd next year and a B/c prospect

First, Chairot is better than Manson, one has been declining while the other is at the top of his game. Secondly, Manson is only the first domino to fall, the prize will go up for Chairot and Lindholm. Some folk will look really bad on this board, Chairot easily returns a 1st or the equivalent of a 1st. Expect 1st +

 

[Nylanderthal]

That B/C prospect is rated as equivalent to a 1st rounder by some, so it's very subjective.... which means we need to be cautious in our analyses.

Also, part of the reason rentals are moved late in the year is for acquiring teams to have accrued enough cap space.

Where is helleckson rated as a first rounder? Literally not once have I seen that

 

[pth2]

If you think both will retain their values over the 5 year terms (hypothetical in Chiarot's case) of their contract, age doesn't really matter in this context. If you think Chiarot will decline to the point of being worse than Risto in year 4/5, then maybe reconsideration is warranted.

Given the track record of both, I take Chiarot for the next 5 years over Risto for the next 5 years given similar AAV.

Not me. Chiarot in 4-5 years might have gotten slow. To put it otherwise, the 3 years Chiarot was in Montreal are still to be played for Risto.

Signing a guy up to 35 and up to 32 are very different things. 32 just about always makes sense, 35 is pushing it and can bite you in the rear end.

 

[Nylanderthal]

First, Chairot is better than Manson, one has been declining while the other is at the top of his game. Secondly, Manson is only the first domino to fall, the prize will go up for Chairot and Lindholm. Some folk will look really bad on this board, Chairot easily returns a 1st or the equivalent of a 1st. Expect 1st +

Lol hilarious

 

[Just a Fan]

First, Chairot is better than Manson, one has been declining while the other is at the top of his game. Secondly, Manson is only the first domino to fall, the prize will go up for Chairot and Lindholm. Some folk will look really bad on this board, Chairot easily returns a 1st or the equivalent of a 1st. Expect 1st +

As long as it's not Toronto....have at it.

 

[pth2]

Where is helleckson rated as a first rounder? Literally not once have I seen that

 

[lamp9post]

Why hang onto an asset risking injury or a change of heart/direction from your trade mate when you’ve gotten your asking price?

Asking price is higher than a 1st alone.

 

[burstnbloom]

Honestly, sometime when I look at those chart I'm really asking myself what they are talking about. Especially for Dmen.

It's the amount of shots and goals that happen when they are on the ice for their opponents and the lack of shots and goals that happen for their team. It's not that complicated.

 

[Goldenhands]

As long as it's not Toronto....have at it.

Well, I feel like Toronto is the team that would benefit the most of having a solid shutdown defenseman like Chairot, but its up to you, thats a matter of priorities I guess.