Seravalli: Chiarot being scratched until traded?

[lamp9post]

A 2nd at most. But I don't think thats likely.

Well, time will tell.

Reports indicate that there are 5-6 teams very interested in him. I would think if the price was a 3rd, one of those teams would have coughed it up by now.

 

[Treb]

Didn't the Manson trade set the market for Chiarot? A 2nd and a B+ prospect? That should be Chiarot's max value.

How is it Chiarot's max value if Chiarot is more valuable than Manson?

 

[Machinehead]

Based on the eyeball test, he has good size, grit, is physical and can clear the net.

Apparently the net is not being cleared. I'm sure he's big.

 

[Machinehead]

You go by these charts, Kulak has better analytics. So if nobody is giving a 1st or a prospect for Chiarot, then they should give them for Kulak.

This but unironically.

 

[General Fanager]

Didn't the Manson trade set the market for Chiarot? A 2nd and a B+ prospect? That should be Chiarot's max value.

Kind of yes but since Chiarot is better the return should be better. Add the other circumstances and add a bit more.

 

[Just a Fan]

Manson got a 2nd + Prospect, don't think Chiarot will get a 1st. I know Avs fans were high on that kid, but me personally I don't know what level of a prospect he was so kinda hard to gauge value. But I think a 2nd + small add is reasonable. I would like to use our 1st to upgrade on a better player than Chiarot.

Ditto. Pay the 1st+ for Lindholm, not Chiarot.

 

[Magic Man]

How is it Chiarot's max value if Chiarot is more valuable than Manson?

Why would he be? Manson is tougher and better defensively than Chiarot. Neither are known for their offense. Very good comparables though.

 

[General Fanager]

Manson got a 2nd + Prospect, don't think Chiarot will get a 1st. I know Avs fans were high on that kid, but me personally I don't know what level of a prospect he was so kinda hard to gauge value. But I think a 2nd + small add is reasonable. I would like to use our 1st to upgrade on a better player than Chiarot.

Even if that was true, when you consider there are maybe 6-8 teams interested, why would The Habs consider a "reasonable" deal?

 

[Canadienna]

This but unironically.

I find it revealing that you're doubling down on this.

I think it shows just how misused these charts have become if they lead people to conclusions that are so obviously counter to reality.

 

[Treb]

Why would he be? Manson is tougher and better defensively than Chiarot. Neither are known for their offense. Very good comparables though.

Chiarot is better offensively and has a lot more experience in the PO in a big role.

 

[Ciao]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

 

[JustAHabFan]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

We are not making the playoff the next couple of year.

 

[Karma Police]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

I'd say he's an ideal top 4 defenseman in the playoffs, with his experience / grit. He'd fit perfect for you guys with a much needed playoff grit

 

[Canadienna]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

If I'm being honest, the team that signs him this summer could put themselves in a bad spot.

A lot of Chiarot's faults are being overblown in here, but they do exist. And because his playoff resume/style, he's likely going to get a raise and decent term.

None of that reduces his utility for a playoff run this year.

 

[pth2]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

Habs have guys like Petry, Savard and Edmundson signed, Romanov rounding into a top 4, and a few highly prized prospects coming up quickly. If we were contending now, we'd definitely want to keep him, but we aren't, and whether it's a 1st, 2 2nds, or a 2nd and a prospect, those returns are worth more to a rebuilding team than a win-now defenseman.
But if one of the present veteran D was gone, I'd resign him this summer in a heartbeat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How is it Chiarot's max value if Chiarot is more valuable than Manson?

Because several ignorant fans think Chiarot is just some bottom pairing guy who plays 20-25 min a game. . Mark my words, the return will be like Manson and slightly better (how much better I don't know) where the fan base he gets traded to all of a sudden values Chiarot as a top 4D physical D man that can skate.

 

[Machinehead]

I find it revealing that you're doubling down on this.

I think it shows just how misused these charts have become if they lead people to conclusions that are so obviously counter to reality.

I like Kulak as a bottom pair guy although I do think he exceeds in a particular role.

I can also see the benefits Chiarot brings, although I think the level of interest he's garnering is quite ridiculous.

Again, for all the talk about misusing charts and their inherent flaws, there's no middle ground and everyone is supposed to just take "eye test" at face value.

 

[pth2]

If I'm being honest, the team that signs him this summer could put themselves in a bad spot.

A lot of Chiarot's faults are being overblown in here, but they do exist. And because his playoff resume/style, he's likely going to get a raise and decent term.

None of that reduces his utility for a playoff run this year.

A Savard-type contract might make sense (3.5x4), but if it turns into a bidding war and he gets 5x5, that's going to come with buyers remorse, for sure.

 

[bretpatrick7]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

They would if it wasnt for the fact we are rebuilding. He is a UFA and has a lots of interest and value in the market. If you want to get something in return, you need to give something back. The other option would be to trade him, get assets and re-sign him during the offseason if he wants to come back.

 

[Goldenhands]

No addition will matter to the leafs if they continue to get the goaltending they have been for several months. If the habs took mrazek and threw in Allen maybe I’d be interested in Chiarot.

Then it will cost a 1st + Knies as I proposed in the other thread.

 

[lamp9post]

A Savard-type contract might make sense (3.5x4), but if it turns into a bidding war and he gets 5x5, that's going to come with buyers remorse, for sure.

The market being what it is, Chiarot will get more than that. Risto just got 5x5 and Chiarot > Risto.

 

[Rob Sense]

From the sounds of it Ben Chiarot is the ideal player. Maybe the Habs should try to sign him to a new deal?

maybe they will

 

[pth2]

The market being what it is, Chiarot will get more than that. Risto just got 5x5 and Chiarot > Risto.

3 years difference between them, though.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Lol

Then it will cost a 1st + Knies as I proposed in the other thread.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Manson has declined significantly.

Possibly. The point is that its pretty obvious why teams would be interested in guys like Manson or Chiarot. And its not based on their net impact, its about their specific skill sets and how the game is called in the playoffs.