Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[FabulousLysell]

Think about it this way, the more money Pasta and McAvoy make, the less chances we see more John Moore, David Backes, Matt Beleskey contracts.

 

[Bearcrap]

And there shouldn't be. The money is very fair, Market value wise both ways.

I think the days of hometown discounts are in the past, at least for an upcoming superstar. Maybe a vet who's made his money and wants to remain or return to Boston but the deals the perfection line signed, IMO are long gone.

So Pasta will get 10-12 mil on his next deal then.

 

[missingchicklet]

Was hoping they could sign him for a little less, but 9.5 is fair enough for both parties. Bs absolutely HAD to sign Charlie. To get a top ten in the league D-man locked up for the next 8 years, pretty much all of which will be in his prime, is nothing but good. Super happy DS and Charlie got this done.

 

[ODAAT]

another great extension by Sweeney

 

[Mick Riddleton]

I expected 8- 8.5. This is a change for Boston but you have to lock these guys up. Time for him to take a leap offensively now. Leave him on the PP, he will get pts with those guys.

 

[Wiggleboom]

This is a fair deal. When the cap starts rising again in 2-3 (?) years, this will eventually become a steal. A Norris-calibre D-man under $10 million will be amazing. It will eventually be like the way we see the Bergeron, Marchand and Pastrnak contracts now.

 

[PlayMakers]

Very happy he's signed. Amazing player who elevates when it matters. Future captain, probably.

That said, it's not a "great deal" in the sense that there's no team-first discount here. $9.5 is what top defensemen are getting across the league and he got his.

Still, very happy he'll be with the team for another 8 years. Can't wait to see him silence the "offense" critics.

 

[TCB]

So Pasta will get 10-12 mil on his next deal then.

Well who's more valuable a number one all-world defenseman or one of the top 5 goal scoring wingers in the game ?

For me its McAvoy and I love Pasta, but he's also the Bruins second best winger, and there's no way of knowing for sure where the cap will be at in 2 years but if he re-signed today he's not getting Charlies money.

 

[The don godfather]

If it helps Charlie has already reached higher in Norris voting in 4 years than McDonaugh has in 12 years.

Ryan mcdonagh ain't chicken feed. One of the best dman in the last 10 yrs no doubt in my mind. The guys a pillar. He carried the lightning last year and helped them hoist the cup. Charlie has work to do to catch that great.

 

[The National]

Ryan mcdonagh ain't chicken feed. One of the best dman in the last 10 yrs no doubt in my mind. The guys a pillar. He carried the lightning last year and helped them hoist the cup. Charlie has work to do to catch that great.

Charlie’s 23 he’s off to a good start catching Ryan McDonough.

 

[The National]

 

[HumBucker]

Was hoping they could sign him for a little less, but 9.5 is fair enough for both parties. Bs absolutely HAD to sign Charlie. To get a top ten in the league D-man locked up for the next 8 years, pretty much all of which will be in his prime, is nothing but good. Super happy DS and Charlie got this done.

This. We had to pay Charlie. Because the D without Charlie would be looking pretty shaky.

 

[missingchicklet]

I expected 8- 8.5. This is a change for Boston but you have to lock these guys up. Time for him to take a leap offensively now. Leave him on the PP, he will get pts with those guys.

Agreed. It's a good thing that he hasn't put up crazy offensive numbers as of yet because his contract would have cost the Bs even more. Really hoping that his offensive game develops even more now that he is signed for 8 years. He's still so young that I think he will certainly become better offensively over the course of his contract. There really aren't any Bs prospects that appear to be first pairing D quality, so losing Charlie would have been an outright disaster. The Bs likely won't be in the position in the draft in the foreseeable future to grab a player of McAvoy's skill level. And we all know that elite d-men don't go on the free agent market very often, and when they do they cost an arm and a leg to sign, not to mention they usually have more prime years behind them rather than in front of them. My feeling is that DS didn't want to leave anything to chance, so he bit the bullet and didn't monkey around with trying to get some kind of discount from Charlie. He was the most important player the Bs needed to re-sign in regards to the future. DS got it done. Very key.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Well who's more valuable a number one all-world defenseman or one of the top 5 goal scoring wingers in the game ?

For me its McAvoy and I love Pasta, but he's also the Bruins second best winger, and there's no way of knowing for sure where the cap will be at in 2 years but if he re-signed today he's not getting Charlies money.

Not sure I say who is more valuable, but I think if you were negotiating an extension today. I would basically be offering Pasta what McAvoy got. Pasta gets his next year, so it probably will be in the 10.5 - 11 million range.

 

[The Un4casted Storm]

Super happy that Charlie's staying with the Bruins long-term. I don't love the cap hit but that has more to do with my own bewilderment at the way the market for defencemen has exploded this off-season (especially given that the NHL has supposedly lost so much money from the pandemic that they needed to start defacing their uniforms with ads to recoup the losses. But that's another conversation ) Charlie's contract is fair market value and if you look at the comparables signed this past year, I feel there's a fairly strong case to be made that he's the best all-around defenceman of the bunch.

Now, let's drop the @#$%ing puck and get this season started!

 

[FabulousLysell]

I subtracted all power play tallies from each of these defensemen. These are the even strength points they all put up last season. Makar played less games but still eerily similar nonetheless.

McAvoy w/ 22 EV points
Makar w/ 22 EV points
Fox w/ 24 EV points
Hedman w/ 21 EV points
Hughes w/ 22 EV points

The difference between most of these defensemen is that they have played on their respective top PP units where as McAvoy hasn't until he was given a shot in the playoffs which resulted in him becoming a PPG player.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

And there shouldn't be. The money is very fair, Market value wise both ways.

I think the days of hometown discounts are in the past, at least for an upcoming superstar. Maybe a vet who's made his money and wants to remain or return to Boston but the deals the perfection line signed, IMO are long gone.

We'll see if it leads to any success. Team friendly contracts help teams stay successful, as long as you don't use that new found cap space to sign guys you need to pay to get rid of.

This said, McAvoys deal is fair. Would it have been nice to get a discount? Yes. Is it in McAvoys right not to give one? Yes. Will the Bruins be able to build the rest of the team with this cap structure going forward? We'll see.

Some ELC players surprising and playing in core roles in the upcoming seasons may be needed if we want success.

 

[TCB]

We'll see if it leads to any success. Team friendly contracts help teams stay successful, as long as you don't use that new found cap space to sign guys you need to pay to get rid of.

This said, McAvoys deal is fair. Would it have been nice to get a discount? Yes. Is it in McAvoys right not to give one? Yes. Will the Bruins be able to build the rest of the team with this cap structure going forward? We'll see.

Some ELC players surprising and playing in core roles in the upcoming seasons may be needed if we want success.

Better asset management will be needed from Sweeney and Company. Signings like Belesky, Backes, Wagner and Moore, cant happen. The secondary money needs to be spot on, and on the bright side maybe some of the young kids will be forced into getting a good strong look, and when they show they belong they wont be playing in Providence.

 

[TCB]

Not sure I say who is more valuable, but I think if you were negotiating an extension today. I would basically be offering Pasta what McAvoy got. Pasta gets his next year, so it probably will be in the 10.5 - 11 million range.

I guess its in who you value more, an all world defenseman who's on the ice in the finally minutes of the game up or down by a goal and will play 25- 30 minutes a game or a Premier goal scorer, whos extremely dangerous every time he touches the puck.

Both great payers, but if Im measuring value to the overall success to a team, between the two. Its that number one defenseman who can log me 30plus minutes a night and play in all situations, but goal scorers are very hard to come by and Pasta is as good at it, as there is, but I don't see him getting paid over 10 mil per IMO. Unless the cap rises substantially.

Either way the Bruins are in a very fortunate position to have two of the most young skilled players in the world, and now its up to management to find a way to make this team Stanley Cup Champs.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Ryan mcdonagh ain't chicken feed. One of the best dman in the last 10 yrs no doubt in my mind. The guys a pillar. He carried the lightning last year and helped them hoist the cup. Charlie has work to do to catch that great.

Wow.

 

[DieSendungmitderMaus]

For reference- Charlie's new deal is 11.66% of the cap at the time of the deal being signed. That's amazingly close to the deal Chara signed in 2011, which was 11.64% of then then-cap ceiling. Z's first deal in Boston was 17% of the 2006 cap! Now, obviously Chara had a greater track record at the time, especially when the 2011 deal was signed, but otoh those deals tool him from age 29-34 and 34-41 respectively, in contrast to Charlie being locked in for his entire prime at this number. And it's not like McAvoy is being signed in the hope he grows into the contract, he's arguably the best 5-on-5 Dman in the NHL.

So even considering that the cap isn't projected to rise much in the short term (in contrast to 2006 and 2011), I think this deal compares well to Z's two contracts in Boston- which is really all you need to know

(not straight comparable because of UFA vs RFA, but Charlie was close enough to being unrestricted that the difference likely isn't huge)

 

[The don godfather]

For reference- Charlie's new deal is 11.66% of the cap at the time of the deal being signed. That's amazingly close to the deal Chara signed in 2011, which was 11.64% of then then-cap ceiling. Z's first deal in Boston was 17% of the 2006 cap! Now, obviously Chara had a greater track record at the time, especially when the 2011 deal was signed, but otoh those deals tool him from age 29-34 and 34-41 respectively, in contrast to Charlie being locked in for his entire prime at this number. And it's not like McAvoy is being signed in the hope he grows into the contract, he's arguably the best 5-on-5 Dman in the NHL.

So even considering that the cap isn't projected to rise much in the short term (in contrast to 2006 and 2011), I think this deal compare
s well to Z's two contracts in Boston- which is really all you need to know

(not straight comparable because of UFA vs RFA, but Charlie was close enough to being unrestricted that the difference likely isn't huge)

Agreed about its similar in percentage of cap that chara signed back way in 2006 but chara at the time was way more polished and was just a tower of power at that time. McAvoy also is and going to be a elite dman but I don't think they are in the same league in terms of way they were in their career when chara signed that contract . I strongly feel donny caved a bit here because of those ridiculous contracts like seth jones signed and they were comparable to what McAvoy is. Good news is its probably just a mil over in aav in what McAvoy is truly worth and if donny can somehow dump a guy like moore this isnt a big deal.

 

[chizzler]

As most have said, a bit high, but that’s the way it goes. As far as the cap going up and it’ll be ok, doesn’t make it more palatable. It’s the going rate and they couldn’t afford to play games with MacAvoy. Will be interesting with Pasta, when he’s up. Maybe this might……..might allow me to get a player name shirt. Maybe……..

 

[slim399]

I was hoping for 8.5mill but what can you do he is def worth the 9.5. Now that he is playing PP1 if he has a full healthy season I’m predicting 68pts and a Norris trophy this year.

 

[JCRO]

I really thought Sweeney was gonna get him under 9 per. He’s been able to get all his guys at a team friendly number.

But you can’t be mad about this. Max term and he would’ve gotten 10 per easily on the open market.
As the cap goes up this will just get better and better.

Good on the Bs locking him in now. He’s posed for a big season with top power play minutes.