Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV

[Dennis Bonvie]

That's not the same as being on the ice protecting a one goal lead.

Not exactly, no.

But it's not easy to quantify who's out on the ice more protecting a lead, especially with teams pulling their goalies with up to 3 minutes left now.

 

[13Hockey]

McAvoy finished 5th in the Norris voting last year for a reason

And he has gotten much better from last season

he is a Franchise D

McAvoy on pace to finish this year
14 Goals
46 Assists
60 Points
+20
25 mins a night

I’m guessing he finishes top 3 in the Norris this year


may not be the greatest on the PP
or the go to Guy on the PK even though he could play top Pk he needs rest

but he is the best even strength D in the nhl

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

McAvoy finished 5th in the Norris voting last year for a reason

And he has gotten much better from last season

he is a Franchise D

100% he is. Bruins need to find a bonafide #2. Preferably a LHD but a RHD would work as he could anchor the 2nd pairing.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

How is that a fair comparison? McAvoy is what? 22? 23? He's no where near his "prime".

He is 24, still young and a boatload of prime left.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

you'd think Charlie tossed out a pizza and let up the game losing score rather than score the game winner last night and be the only person to respond physically in that game by reading this thread today.

I don't get that sense at all. I think the disagreement is where he ranks. Is he top 5 or top 10. I listed like 5
guys better IMO, not bashing at all.

 

[13Hockey]

5 on 5 the last 3 years

Adam Fox:

165 Games
13-48-61

Per 82 games
6-24-30

Victor Hedman:

161 Games
17-45-62

Per 82
8-23-31

Charlie McAvoy:

152 Games
8-44-52

Per 82
4-24-28


Not much of a difference at all offensively

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

5 on 5 the last 3 years

Adam Fox:

165 Games
13-48-61

Per 82 games
6-24-30

Victor Hedman:

161 Games
17-45-62

Per 82
8-23-31

Charlie McAvoy:

152 Games
8-44-52

Per 82
4-24-28


Not much of a difference at all offensively

Yeah, but Fox is improving leaps and bounds each season, not exactly an honest view of him to average his 2+ seasons.

He has 6-17-23 at ES in 40 games so far this year, a 12-35-47 pace per 82, he really is on another level.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Yeah, but Fox is improving leaps and bounds each season, not exactly an honest view of him to average his 2+ seasons.

He has 6-17-23 at ES in 40 games so far this year, a 12-35-47 pace per 82, he really is on another level

Fox reminds me of Brad Park with the puck. McAvoy is obviously more physical and stronger but Fox is so smart and deft with the puck on his stick in all areas of the ice. Fox 's hockey IQ is as good as it gets wth the puck and he is no slouch thinking the game w\o it.

 

[HockeyMomx2]

He is 24, still young and a boatload of prime left.

Exactly.

 

[burstnbloom]

Lol, come PO time you wouldn't find a single GM or
hockey person that would take McAvoy over Hedman.

So answer a very simple question, at the trade deadline if you can trade McAvoy for Hedman are you doing it?

no chance would I give up McAvoy for Hedman and no competent gm pulse either

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

no chance would I give up McAvoy for Hedman and no competent gm pulse either

McAvoy will be lucky if his peak ever matches Hedmans.

If I thought the Bruins were contender tier this year I'd deal McAvoy for Hedman.

But seeing as those this teams best years are behind them I'd keep McAvoy.

 

[burstnbloom]

McAvoy will be lucky if his peak ever matches Hedmans.

If I thought the Bruins were contender tier this year I'd deal McAvoy for Hedman.

But seeing as those this teams best years are behind them I'd keep McAvoy.

mcavoy has legitimately had the best results at 5v5 hockey of any d in the league the last three years. Those results are better than anything hedman has ever put up. I think the difference in opinion here is whether or not you value puck possession and the numbers they create or points and reputation. Personally give me the guy who is younger, under control for longer, who plays harder competition, and who suppresses the opponents offense while driving their own at a higher level. If you want the guy with the big rep and lots of pp points I get it. Both are great players. I’ll take the guy who quantitatively makes his team better. That’s Chuckles.

 

[DKH]

100% he is. Bruins need to find a bonafide #2. Preferably a LHD but a RHD would work as he could anchor the 2nd pairing.

Carlo turned 25 recently and most defenseman don’t hit there peak till 27

he had Barzal for lunch first 3 games got hunted down by a Clutterbuck and was gone

Clifton could not control Barzal

mistake to me giving up on Carlo he’s a legit high end second pair

I watch him all the time up close and he’s a good player

 

[DKH]

McAvoy will be lucky if his peak ever matches Hedmans.

If I thought the Bruins were contender tier this year I'd deal McAvoy for Hedman.

But seeing as those this teams best years are behind them I'd keep McAvoy.

I trade McAvoy for Hedman if he’s 25

Hedman one of all time greats

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Carlo turned 25 recently and most defenseman don’t hit there peak till 27

he had Barzal for lunch first 3 games got hunted down by a Clutterbuck and was gone

Clifton could not control Barzal

mistake to me giving up on Carlo he’s a legit high end second pair

I watch him all the time up close and he’s a good player

I like Carlo and definitely see him as a 2nd pairing guy. Also enjoy the physicality he’s been showing more as well.

 

[KnightofBoston]

McAvoy is great but you’d still need to trade him in a package with Pasta if you want Draisital.

I just confirmed it this morning by cross posting to my discord ticktock flippity floop

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

McAvoy is great but you’d still need to trade him in a package with Pasta if you want Draisital.

I just confirmed it this morning by cross posting to my discord ticktock flippity floop

Boy that one really got to you eh?

 

[KnightofBoston]

Boy that one really got to you eh?

Im having some fun because I teach 7th graders science all day and it reminded me of them

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Im having some fun because I teach 7th graders science all day and it reminded me of them

Pasta unsigned past next year - and who likes to resign in Edmonton? - make Pasta a less valuable chip for Edm in this fantasy scenario

 

[TCB]

Im having some fun because I teach 7th graders science all day and it reminded me of them

This is too funny Hahaa, but why dis your 7th graders like that.

 

[KnightofBoston]

This is too funny Hahaa, but why dis your 7th graders like that.

no dis, they are 12 and 13 year old's after all, we love each other and have a lot of fun.

Yesterday they helped me program a minecraft map into a multiplayer game based in an animal cell - created three teams - proteins, viruses, white blood cells - viruses have to break in and destroy cell parts, only proteins can repair them, and white blood cells can destroy viruses but can also accidently destroy cell parts. They inadvertently learned about the primary organelles by building them with me. They're a bunch of brilliant young people. But, still prone to misinterpretation of data and relying too much on anecdotal evidence via whatever social media platform they are observing, like our friend here

 

[KnightofBoston]

Pasta unsigned past next year - and who likes to resign in Edmonton? - make Pasta a less valuable chip for Edm in this fantasy scenario

this would actually be a good mini research project - find the rate at which hockey trades are centered around players who have only another year on their contract vs a player with three - in other words, is there a significant difference in clubs trading for very good to elite players that any team would covet with one more season on their contract vs 2 or more

 

[DKH]

I like Carlo and definitely see him as a 2nd pairing guy. Also enjoy the physicality he’s been showing more as well.

He’s working on being more physical- something he never probably needed as he progressed through hockey with that size and skating

 

[KillerMillerTime]

mcavoy has legitimately had the best results at 5v5 hockey of any d in the league the last three years. Those results are better than anything hedman has ever put up. I think the difference in opinion here is whether or not you value puck possession and the numbers they create or points and reputation. Personally give me the guy who is younger, under control for longer, who plays harder competition, and who suppresses the opponents offense while driving their own at a higher level. If you want the guy with the big rep and lots of pp points I get it. Both are great players. I’ll take the guy who quantitatively makes his team better. That’s Chuckles.

Come PO when it is BTTW hockey as opposed to the RS, Hedman has a capacity to tilt the ice due to his size\reach combined with his high skill.

Seems clear to me a healthy Hedman chooses not to play at the same level of effort in the RS as McAvoy does, so he has more room to impact the game in the PO, compared to the RS. That reality doesn't get reflected in your analytics and IMO accounts for what you are saying and what others who disagree with you are saying. For proof look at what happened when a concussed Hedman attempted to play the first 2 games against Columbus in '19, TB
was broomed.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

McAvoy is great but you’d still need to trade him in a package with Pasta if you want Draisital.

I just confirmed it this morning by cross posting to my discord ticktock flippity floop

No way I am trading them for Draisaital just based on injury risk alone.