Proposal: Cgy-mtl

[Double Dion]

Ive seen him plenty and think he's a fantastic player, but you guys are pushing it regarding to really how good he is imo. You talk about how players like Galchenyuk, Pacioretty wouldn't come close to his value. I just think thats absurd and i think most people would agree.

I love when people's opinion isnt shared it means they didn't watch him enough. Do you also know where I live

I don't think Galchenyuk or Pacioretty are close to Brodie's value. For the record I wouldn't trade Brodie for Johnny Hockey and he's better than both players you've listed and younger.

I consider Brodie a top 5 defenseman. Over the past three seasons he's been the best defender by the numbers in the league. Better than Doughty, Vlasic, Keith and Hedman defensively. He can also score you 50 points over a full season. Brodie is the most significant player to wins and losses on our team as we saw when he missed the first part of last year and we couldn't even beat bottom feeders like Arizona and Edmonton.

 

[Double Dion]

oh boy,,, flames fans srsly over rating their players. Youre telling me brodie is a talent similar to Subban?? ahahha ok sure be delusional. Hes good but no where close to as gud as D such as Subban, Hedman, Josi, Doughty, Burns, Keith and so on. hes not even the flames #1 D.

Not similar, better. Brodie is an elite defender and produces offense. Subban is an average defender who produces offense. I don't put Subban in the elite group of defensemen. Josi, Hedman, Doughty, OEL, Brodie, Keith and a few others. I don't put Burns there either. For me you have to be able to play against elite players and still dominate the play to belong in the elite group. Subban and Burns don't do that.

 

[Double Dion]

I dunno, considering the crap ice time and lined he's had, he's done pretty well. Top scorer among guys his draft year and in consideration for best player his draft year. He's still just 22.

Monahan has scored more than Galchenyuk and was drafted a year later. It's debatable whether Monahan is a true #1 center. Certainly Galchenyuk isn't as good as Monahan so how is he a surefire #1 center?

 

[L13]

I certainly don't see it that way. I think Brodie is our best defenseman.

Yes, that's why I said many Flames fans are overrating Brodie. The fact you seem to think he's a top-5 defenceman cements my opinion.

Love Brodie, but Gio is better and so are at least 15 other defencemen. But anyway.

 

[blankall]

I dunno, considering the crap ice time and lined he's had, he's done pretty well. Top scorer among guys his draft year and in consideration for best player his draft year. He's still just 22.

Depends how you define "top scorer". He has the most points, but Forsberg has outscored him the last 2 years. It was also a bizarre year, with few offensive prospects. 8/10 of the top picks were defencemen.

Once again, people aren't saying he's bad. Just saying he has not solidified himself as a guaranteed #1 centre in the NHL...yet.

 

[Moose Head]

Monahan has scored more than Galchenyuk and was drafted a year later. It's debatable whether Monahan is a true #1 center. Certainly Galchenyuk isn't as good as Monahan so how is he a surefire #1 center?

Oh, I know. My comment was directed more at the only one 50pt season comment.

Us Hab fans are in large, frustrated at his usage the last 4 seasons. Just saying his numbers are pretty good considering his usage.

Therrien has played him out of position and with stone hands line mates for most of his career.

 

[rhinoshawarma]

I don't think Galchenyuk or Pacioretty are close to Brodie's value. For the record I wouldn't trade Brodie for Johnny Hockey and he's better than both players you've listed and younger.

I consider Brodie a top 5 defenseman. Over the past three seasons he's been the best defender by the numbers in the league. Better than Doughty, Vlasic, Keith and Hedman defensively. He can also score you 50 points over a full season. Brodie is the most significant player to wins and losses on our team as we saw when he missed the first part of last year and we couldn't even beat bottom feeders like Arizona and Edmonton.

Thanks, I can now ignore your comments as I think that is a ridiculous statement

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Thanks, I can now ignore your comments as I think that is a ridiculous statement

How? Brodie has the best defensive advanced stats in the league over that period... you're just one of many people who rates a player based on how known their name is around the league.

 

[CanadienShark]

Brutal proposal for Calgary.

 

[Moose Head]

How? Brodie has the best defensive advanced stats in the league over that period... you're just one of many people who rates a player based on how known their name is around the league.

Semin had great advanced stats with the habs last year and the eye test showed he was atrocious. You have to take them with a bit of a grain of salt.

Obviously I'm using an extreme example, and obviously Brodie is a great player, but advanced stats can be overstated. They're not nearly at the level that MLB are.

Just don't assume the top 10 advanced stat guys are the 10 best, if you know what I mean. It's s useful tool, not a barometer.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Semin had great advanced stats with the habs last year and the eye test showed he was atrocious. You have to take them with a bit of a grain of salt.

Obviously I'm using an extreme example, and obviously Brodie is a great player, but advanced stats can be overstated. They're not nearly at the level that MLB are.

Just don't assume the top 10 advanced stat guys are the 10 best, if you know what I mean. It's s useful tool, not a barometer.

It's different when you start nearly 60% of your shifts in the offensive zone (like Semin did) compared to when you start most of your shifts in the defensive zone (like Brodie). Then, think about how people view them (people view Brodie as a player who is among the elite of the elite defensively) and the stats are only their to back up their case.

There's a reason why many Flames fans consider Brodie more valuable then Gaudreau. He's one of the most underrated D-men in the league, if not the most underrated

 

[Moon Man]

Horrid for Calgary.

 

[Legend123]

yeah galchneyuk imo is better than monahon, he def has a lot more potential than him, thats for sure. Galchenyuk, lined up alongside, pacs and radulov all year, god damn, that will be wonders for him. 80 pts def not a reach. Come back to me next year.

and brodie better than doughty??? wait wut?? wut??? wut??? How on earth can any fan, even the most delusional one, can ever say such madness is beyond me. Where are them mericans when we need them most?? They would bash u for such madness.

per everyones opinion, Weber>>>brodie, Subban >> Brodie and dont compare doughty to brodie.

 

[Legend123]

It's different when you start nearly 60% of your shifts in the offensive zone (like Semin did) compared to when you start most of your shifts in the defensive zone (like Brodie). Then, think about how people view them (people view Brodie as a player who is among the elite of the elite defensively) and the stats are only their to back up their case.

There's a reason why many Flames fans consider Brodie more valuable then Gaudreau. He's one of the most underrated D-men in the league, if not the most underrated

you mean very few of them?? Maybe just the delusional ones?
plz!! the most under rated D man is by FAR Ekman- Larsson and Hedman. Those 2 are def top 5 defenders and are by far better than brodie. And better than Subban.

Imo its 1. Doughty, 2. Hedman, 3. Karlsson, 4. E.L. 5. Kieth/letang/subban (all very type of players similar).

as per so called experts:
brodie is 159 (NHL.com), 138 (THN) and doesnt crack the top 200 for ESPN and Dobber Hockey for top 200 players in the NHL.

http://mynhltraderumors.com/fantasy-hockey-2016-17-top-200-nhl-player-rankings/2016/08/09/

 

[YourAverageFan*]

you mean very few of them?? Maybe just the delusional ones?
plz!! the most under rated D man is by FAR Ekman- Larsson and Hedman. Those 2 are def top 5 defenders and are by far better than brodie. And better than Subban.

Imo its 1. Doughty, 2. Hedman, 3. Karlsson, 4. E.L. 5. Kieth/letang/subban (all very type of players similar).

as per so called experts:
brodie is 159 (NHL.com), 138 (THN) and doesnt crack the top 200 for ESPN and Dobber Hockey for top 200 players in the NHL.

http://mynhltraderumors.com/fantasy-hockey-2016-17-top-200-nhl-player-rankings/2016/08/09/

You're just delusional in your own right. You obviously haven't watched enough Flames games to properly judge just how amazing Brodie is.

And as for the "experts", you DO realize those are fantasy rankings, right?

Nice try though

 

[YourAverageFan*]

yeah galchneyuk imo is better than monahon, he def has a lot more potential than him, thats for sure. Galchenyuk, lined up alongside, pacs and radulov all year, god damn, that will be wonders for him. 80 pts def not a reach. Come back to me next year.

and brodie better than doughty??? wait wut?? wut??? wut??? How on earth can any fan, even the most delusional one, can ever say such madness is beyond me. Where are them mericans when we need them most?? They would bash u for such madness.

per everyones opinion, Weber>>>brodie, Subban >> Brodie and dont compare doughty to brodie.

Of course you think Galchenyuk is better than Monahan. Your biased opinion towards Habs players is obvious in this thread. I mean, what has Monahan done better? Monahan has only outproduced him every year since he's been in the NHL despite being a year younger, has scored 8 more goals than him in 38 less games, has only 1 less point in 38 less games, produces more points at even strength, is much better at faceoffs, has a better shot, etc...

 

[Legend123]

galchenyuk had a better rookie year. Galchenyuk doesnt play with gaudreau.
If you think brodie is better than the five D i listed, i give up, no point in arguing with some of the most delusional fan base which i thought were the leafs.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

galchenyuk had a better rookie year. Galchenyuk doesnt play with gaudreau.
If you think brodie is better than the five D i listed, i give up, no point in arguing with some of the most delusional fan base which i thought were the leafs.

Wow. Galchenyuk had the better rookie year but his last 3 seasons can't compete with Monahan's (which are also his first 3 seasons)... great logic

Galchenyuk has Pacioretty and Gallagher. If you want to say he never plays with them, then that just means Galchenyuk gets easier matchups, which gives him no excuse

As for the 5 D you lister, no one said you were wrong. I would also happily say those 5 D are better than Brodie. Just not Subban. As for Weber, don't even get me started

All that needs to be said about Weber is that Subban >>> Weber

 

[Legend123]

yeah subban is better than weber, but both are def better than brodie.
And galchenyuk has played only 30 or so games with pacs and has over a point a game in his career.

btw how does it give easier matchups when he plays regularly on the second or third line (cuz therrien says hes too young) with players like wiese, eller, semin, andreghetto, fleishman and so on? He still plays vs top 4 D cuz other teams respect him more than DD, DW and pleks combined ^^. For the hell of it, Galchenyuk has played more games at Wing than his natural position, which is center. Why?? cuz therrien and Desharnais! No other reason.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

yeah subban is better than weber, but both are def better than brodie.
And galchenyuk has played only 30 or so games with pacs and has over a point a game in his career.

Please, if you want to keep saying they're better than Brodie, please provide proof. Because stats say that Brodie is better than both of them, ESPECIALLY Weber, who is not only on the wrong side of 30 and on a HORRID contract, but has TERRIBLE advanced stats.

 

[Legend123]

Please, if you want to keep saying they're better than Brodie, please provide proof. Because stats say that Brodie is better than both of them, ESPECIALLY Weber, who is not only on the wrong side of 30 and on a HORRID contract, but has TERRIBLE advanced stats.

Brodie cant do what both offer to their teams.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Brodie cant do what both offer to their teams.

another post from you that provides no evidence whatsoever. Stay golden

 

[Legend123]

Does karlsson have better advanced stats than doughty?? Yup!! More points?? Yup!! Yet doughty won the Norris and yet you guys still think brodie better than doughty??? hahahahah ok sure.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Does karlsson have better advanced stats than doughty?? Yup!! More points?? Yup!! Yet doughty won the Norris and yet you guys still think brodie better than doughty??? hahahahah ok sure.

Literally no one has said that Brodie is better than Doughty. Keep making up stuff

You are too funny

 

[Legend123]

lol really??