Proposal: Cgy-mtl

[YourAverageFan*]

Lol OP's proposal's terrible, but this beats it by a mile. That's embarrassing.

Galchenyuk alone is a damn steal for Brodie.
Let alone adding possibly the best D in the 2016 draft in Sergachev, who projects as a bigger more physical Brodie.

Even if that creates a hole defensively in the very short-term, you don't pass on something like that lol.
That'd be career suicide for Bergevin... and Treliving for refusing it.

Galchenyuk alone is a damn steal for Brodie? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[rhinoshawarma]

Hi.

That is why Plekanec+Beaulieu does not get you close to Brodie. You had one piece that would have, but he is now in Nashville.

Ah yes, because Price, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, etc... does not get you close to Brodie apparently.

Galchenyuk and Sergachev I'd consider for Brodie.

Except we don't need D, and we need our forwards. I wouldn't do Galchenyuk alone for him, purely on need or value. Brodie is very good, but a 22 year old forward who finally got decent playing time in the last 20 games of a horrible season and scored 30goals is not going anywhere.

Ok let's settle for Giordano instead.

Yes because we don't have enough aging defensemen

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Ah yes, because Price, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, etc... does not get you close to Brodie apparently.



Except we don't need D, and we need our forwards. I wouldn't do Galchenyuk alone for him, purely on need or value. Brodie is very good, but a 22 year old forward who finally got decent playing time in the last 20 games of a horrible season and scored 30goals is not going anywhere.



Yes because we don't have enough aging defensemen

That's fine, there's not a single person in Calgary that would move Brodie for Galchenyuk. We would need a significant add on top of him to consider it.

I also wouldn't do Patches for him either.

 

[Skobel24]

My apologies. I assumed Stajan would still be manning 3c duties in that scenario. Also I figured Smid won't be playing next year because of his neck so that frees up cash needed for Emelin and his salary.

Stajan could still be a capable #3, but the problem is that if Monahan or Bennett get injured, this team is ****ed. The center depth is finally a strength, no reason to change that right now.

 

[Habsfan2731]

I feel like every Mon/Cal thread goes terribly.

Here are some facts. Calgary has zero interest in moving their #1 dman who happens to be on a beauty of a contract.

Despite Sergachev being a bluechip prospect, there is no guarantees that he develops into anything, Calgary would be assuming all the risk.

Galchenyuk is a fine forward, but he hasn't lived up to his hype. Calgary would need to be floored to move Brodie. It would take at least an offer like the one I mentioned to consider it and TBH, I still don't think we touch it.

I've got an issue here. It's not with Brodie being unavailable, I think we all know how good he is & not with Sergachev as you're right, there's no guarantee he becomes something.

Galchenyuk not living up to hype? His TOI was LESS than 2 years ago, he played the majority of the season with the following players:

Tomas Plekanec
Lars Eller
Alex Semin
Sven Andrighetto
Daniel Carr
David Desharnais
Dale Weise
Brian Flynn
Paul Byron

Let's go back to the time Galchenyuk got hot in December I believe, we saw this combo

Alex Galchenyuk - David Desharnais - Paul Byron

Pitiful.

He played the final 20-25 games at 1C with Max Pacioretty & Brendan Gallagher/Sven Andrighetto, he managed to hit 30 goals.

I don't see how being rag dolled through the lineup, playing on every line, every position because all the coach does is **** up the lines, playing on a team with a god awful PP & still managing to hit 30 goals is not living up to the hype.

Galchenyuk's really underrated on these boards. Similar thing with Boone Jenner. Chucky is a 30 goal scoring 1C.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

I've got an issue here. It's not with Brodie being unavailable, I think we all know how good he is & not with Sergachev as you're right, there's no guarantee he becomes something.

Galchenyuk not living up to hype? His TOI was LESS than 2 years ago, he played the majority of the season with the following players:

Tomas Plekanec
Lars Eller
Alex Semin
Sven Andrighetto
Daniel Carr
David Desharnais
Dale Weise
Brian Flynn
Paul Byron

Let's go back to the time Galchenyuk got hot in December I believe, we saw this combo

Alex Galchenyuk - David Desharnais - Paul Byron

Pitiful.

He played the final 20-25 games at 1C with Max Pacioretty & Brendan Gallagher/Sven Andrighetto, he managed to hit 30 goals.

I don't see how being rag dolled through the lineup, playing on every line, every position because all the coach does is **** up the lines, playing on a team with a god awful PP & still managing to hit 30 goals is not living up to the hype.

Galchenyuk's really underrated on these boards. Similar thing with Boone Jenner. Chucky is a 30 goal scoring 1C.

He's still not worth Brodie...

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Ah yes, because Price, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, etc... does not get you close to Brodie apparently.

Price does in a vacuum but you don't win cups with goaltending, just division titles and the like. #1D with skillsets like Brodie/Subban are more important to winning cups so no I wouldn't trade Brodie for Price.

The other two don't get you close.

 

[rhinoshawarma]

Price does in a vacuum but you don't win cups with goaltending, just division titles and the like. #1D with skillsets like Brodie/Subban are more important to winning cups so no I wouldn't trade Brodie for Price.

The other two don't get you close.

Or you bring a below par team to the conference finals and your team goes down because you're injured. Or the one season you're injured your team goes from top seed to draft lottery. No player in the NHL has had the impact on his team Price has had.

But now it's official, Brodie went from being a very good but underrated 2D to the most overrated defensemen on hfboards. Congratulations CGY fans, you've done it again. I remember went Giordano had his one amazing season...

You can just say you don't want to trade him, but if its not close then thats just ridiculous

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

FWIW, Price is the best player in the NHL IMO.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Or you bring a below par team to the conference finals and your team goes down because you're injured. Or the one season you're injured your team goes from top seed to draft lottery. No player in the NHL has had the impact on his team Price has had.

And? Teams built primarily around guys like Lundqvist, Price, Kipprusoff, Luongo... their flaws end up popping up at some point or another. They are an amazing luxury but the skater group is simply more important. Keith...Letang..Chara..Doughty..Lidstrom..Niedermayer/Pronger...having an elite 30 minute blueliner makes good goalies good enough to make the easy save. Even a guy like Price, the deserving MVP, was lit up when pitted against Tampa's offense with Hedman, Stamkos, and the Triplets because he had to make the difficult save too often.

 

[rhinoshawarma]

And? Teams built primarily around guys like Lundqvist, Price, Kipprusoff, Luongo... their flaws end up popping up at some point or another. They are an amazing luxury but the skater group is simply more important. Keith...Letang..Chara..Doughty..Lidstrom..Niedermayer/Pronger...having an elite 30 minute blueliner makes good goalies good enough to make the easy save. Even a guy like Price, the deserving MVP, was lit up when pitted against Tampa's offense with Hedman, Stamkos, and the Triplets because he had to make the difficult save too often.

What does this mean, Lundqvist Kiprusoff and Luongo all went to the SCF. How is that a flaw popping up? And those teams aren't built around their goalies (except maybe NY)

 

[Scholarships]

Sounds good

 

[Legend123]

galchenyuk, drafted third overall, who has played more games with third liners, washed up players (wiese, eller, semin, and all the other offensively inept habs) and rookies (carr, ghetto and so on) than top line players, had JUST 7 fewer points than sean monahan who played all season long with gaudreau on the TOP line and the 1rst PP unit. Yet galchenyuk has 3 more goals than him, isnt that incredible, how much it speaks to his crazy talent?? I garantee u monahan doesnt do that with therrien as HC and being played with shiity linemates.

Galchenyuk only got 1rst line minutes and 1rst PP unit by the END of the year cuz therriens fav toy in DD was injured.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130582
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130620

so yeah I would NEVER do galchenyuk for brodie straight up, flames would have to massively overpay to pry the habs' best and most promising forward to acquire him, cuz lets be honest hes not going anywhere esp for a 26 year old defender that doesnt really do anything really well, he does everything good but not great ala subban.

As for sergechev, he got drafted in the top 10 (alrdy beats out Brodie), got the OHL best D of the year as a 17 year old rookie (first time in last 20 years, some **** like that) and has massive upside. After all, brodie was NEVER seen as a top 50 D in his career up until now.
And if you wouldnt do brodie for weber, pacs, gallagher, sergechev than ur crazy. AND PLZ NEVER EVER MENTION PRICE AND BRODIE IN THE SAME SENTENCE FOR AN 'IDEAL' TRADE, PLZ DONT. Price would prob acquire all ur players in a single package.
As for the OP trade, flames say no easily, but thats fine with me, give Beaulieu a damn chance at showing who he really is and what he can become playing alongside weber and manning the top PP unit.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Congratulations CGY fans, you've done it again. I remember went Giordano had his one amazing season...

Which season was that? Aside from a rough start last season after getting over surgery he had a career high in goals/points and he's had three very good seasons in a row.

 

[Devourers]

Is the OP not aware that CGY fans realize how good a player Brodie is? One of the worst proposals I've seen in a long time. If I'm CGY I counter with:

Plekanec, Weber for Stajan, 7th pick.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

I honestly want nothing to do with Weber and that horrific contract. His best days are already 2 years behind him to say nothing of what he'll be like in 10 years when it actually expires. I can't believe Nashville was able to get rid of the poison pill they swallowed.

They didn't exactly dodge the bullet yet. They still face HEFTY recapture penalties should Weber retire before the contract runs out. The Flyers really boned the Preds with that offer sheet.

 

[Benstheman]

Price does in a vacuum but you don't win cups with goaltending, just division titles and the like. #1D with skillsets like Brodie/Subban are more important to winning cups so no I wouldn't trade Brodie for Price.

The other two don't get you close.

Please don't do this

 

[Ashasx]

Please don't do this

How does Brodie not have a #1 defenceman skillset?

 

[Benstheman]

How does Brodie not have a #1 defenceman skillset?

He maybe has #1 skillset, but her does not have Subban #1 skillset.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Chucky is a 30 goal scoring 1C.

He may project to be something like that, but there is no way he's a 1C yet.

 

[LethalCookie]

galchenyuk, drafted third overall, who has played more games with third liners, washed up players (wiese, eller, semin, and all the other offensively inept habs) and rookies (carr, ghetto and so on) than top line players, had JUST 7 fewer points than sean monahan who played all season long with gaudreau on the TOP line and the 1rst PP unit. Yet galchenyuk has 3 more goals than him, isnt that incredible, how much it speaks to his crazy talent?? I garantee u monahan doesnt do that with therrien as HC and being played with shiity linemates.

Galchenyuk only got 1rst line minutes and 1rst PP unit by the END of the year cuz therriens fav toy in DD was injured.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130582
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130620

so yeah I would NEVER do galchenyuk for brodie straight up, flames would have to massively overpay to pry the habs' best and most promising forward to acquire him, cuz lets be honest hes not going anywhere esp for a 26 year old defender that doesnt really do anything really well, he does everything good but not great ala subban.

As for sergechev, he got drafted in the top 10 (alrdy beats out Brodie), got the OHL best D of the year as a 17 year old rookie (first time in last 20 years, some **** like that) and has massive upside. After all, brodie was NEVER seen as a top 50 D in his career up until now.
And if you wouldnt do brodie for weber, pacs, gallagher, sergechev than ur crazy. AND PLZ NEVER EVER MENTION PRICE AND BRODIE IN THE SAME SENTENCE FOR AN 'IDEAL' TRADE, PLZ DONT. Price would prob acquire all ur players in a single package.
As for the OP trade, flames say no easily, but thats fine with me, give Beaulieu a damn chance at showing who he really is and what he can become playing alongside weber and manning the top PP unit.

I agree that Galchenyuk is a valuable asset, I happen to be a huge fan of his. However, your assessment of Brodie is off, and to suggest that Sergechev is more valuable than Brodie is laughable.

 

[Sniper99]

He maybe has #1 skillset, but her does not have Subban #1 skillset.

your offer is terrible. Try again.

 

[Habsfan2731]

He's still not worth Brodie...

In Calgary's position, no he's not. They have 2 top end C's.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

He maybe has #1 skillset, but her does not have Subban #1 skillset.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Whatsoever.

 

[Habsfan2731]

He may project to be something like that, but there is no way he's a 1C yet.

He's had the number 1C role twice in his career, the first time him, Pacioretty & Gallagher were all PPG or very close to it.

This time Galchenyuk completely ran away with the 1C role once he was placed there. 30 goals, 55+ points in a bad year all around.

He's a 1C.