Proposal: Cgy-mtl
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Flames have a perfect group of 12 forwards. I just think we have enough for management, given our cap constraints, to roll the dice with what they have. They'll be lots of tinkering and players moving in and out over the next couple of years.
The two biggest off season needs were a goalie and a physical right winger. They brought in both.
If anything, I think the Flames need a very physical #4 d-man. However, giving up Brodie for that is 1 step forward and a million steps back.
I honestly want nothing to do with Weber and that horrific contract. His best days are already 2 years behind him to say nothing of what he'll be like in 10 years when it actually expires. I can't believe Nashville was able to get rid of the poison pill they swallowed.
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Not a Flames fan but why would they trade Brodie for scraps an over paid old player and bottom pairing dman
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No way.
Brodie is the best case scenario for what Sergachev becomes, and the Flames dont need another centre. Value is good, but doesn't help the Flames.
Lol OP's proposal's terrible, but this beats it by a mile. That's embarrassing.
Galchenyuk alone is a damn steal for Brodie.
Let alone adding possibly the best D in the 2016 draft in Sergachev, who projects as a bigger more physical Brodie.
Even if that creates a hole defensively in the very short-term, you don't pass on something like that lol.
That'd be career suicide for Bergevin... and Treliving for refusing it.
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How so? is Galchenyuk a top 20 NHL forward? Brodie is at least a top 20 defenseman.
Doesn't really matter anyway, Calgary has zero need for Galchenyuk as we have Monahan and Bennett as 1-2 centers for years to come.
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Lol OP's proposal's terrible, but this beats it by a mile. That's embarrassing.
Galchenyuk alone is a damn steal for Brodie.
Let alone adding possibly the best D in the 2016 draft in Sergachev, who projects as a bigger more physical Brodie.
Even if that creates a hole defensively in the very short-term, you don't pass on something like that lol.
That'd be career suicide for Bergevin... and Treliving for refusing it.
I feel like every Mon/Cal thread goes terribly.
Here are some facts. Calgary has zero interest in moving their #1 dman who happens to be on a beauty of a contract.
Despite Sergachev being a bluechip prospect, there is no guarantees that he develops into anything, Calgary would be assuming all the risk.
Galchenyuk is a fine forward, but he hasn't lived up to his hype. Calgary would need to be floored to move Brodie. It would take at least an offer like the one I mentioned to consider it and TBH, I still don't think we touch it.
If a deal were to be made with the Habs for a physical d, Emelin would fit the bill. He gets a ton of flak on hf, but, he played heavy minutes most of last season and played quite well. He definitely isn't an analytics darling, but he also isn't trash like he is projected here. I also believe he would thrive in the bigger west with Hamilton doing the heavy lifting lugging the puck out of the zone.
With Bennett seemingly ready to take the #2c role, would that make Backlund expendable?
Maybe something something around Emelin + Hudon for Backlund could work. Flames get their physical guy and a nice young player that is ready to contribute in a middle six role. Habs get their hier apparent to Plekanec and a guy to play 2lw for the year.
If Hudon is redundant with Flames prospects then Andrighetto, a similar prospect, could be included with a draft pick since I think his ceiling is lower than Hudons.
I'm just spitballing, not too sure if that addresses flames needs at a cost they deem reasonable.
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Lol OP's proposal's terrible, but this beats it by a mile. That's embarrassing.
Galchenyuk alone is a damn steal for Brodie.
Let alone adding possibly the best D in the 2016 draft in Sergachev, who projects as a bigger more physical Brodie.
Even if that creates a hole defensively in the very short-term, you don't pass on something like that lol.
That'd be career suicide for Bergevin... and Treliving for refusing it.
Firstly, Sergachev does not project to be a top 20 d-man, which Brodie now is. Secondly, what percentage of prospects actually live up to projections?
Brodie just turned 26. He's a top pairing d-man on a great contract. Do you honestly think that any team would ever consider trading a player like that for a 9th overall pick?
And do you honestly think that Galchenyuk is worth more than Brodie at this point? Brodie is ahead by a mile. Galchenyuk plus 9th overall, gets the conversation going around Brodie. Those are great assets, just not he ones the Flames need at this point in the rebuild.
I have no interest in moving a core piece like Backlund for a bunch of "stuff." You just can't trade a quarter for 5 nickels in the NHL and come out on top. Backlund is an elite defensive player and a solid offensive player. I'd argue he's still our best all around centerman. If you want a player like that, then you need to think of the 5 or 6 pieces you'd hate to move most and move one of them. It would be like me saying I want Pacioretty so I'll give you Brouwer, Andersson and a draft pick for him. Brouwer is a decent player, Andersson is a good prospect and draft picks are nice, but you're giving up the best piece and you'd lose the trade.
The problem is that Calgary then lacks a #3 center, and nobody knows if Bennett is ready to handle the #2 spot. As for Emelin, the Flames still have Engelland, Smid, Wideman, and Jokipakka taking up enough cap space as is. I don't view Emelin as a big enough upgrade to trade Backlund. He just had a breakout year, and he is way too important to the Flames to trade just to acquire an older, short term #4/5 dman.
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Naw...Monahan/Bennett/Backlund are the top 3 centres we need. I'd love to add a guy like Emelin, but not at the expense of a key piece. The Flames can pick up a player like that next year for free as a FA on the open market, if none of our current options work out.
The Flames have a very solid top 3, but need a physical shut down guy as a #4/5. We have options within our organization that may develop into that. Currently, cap constraints prevent us from pursuing a guy like that, but these are the type of guys that appear on the free agent market all the time. We don't need a top pairing guy, just a guy that can log ~18 mins a night and make the team more difficult to play against.
Even players we currently have on contract, like Smid, could do the job if given sheltered minutes behind our top 3. Prospects like Kyllington could do the job.
The major problem with the Flames last year was that we had some of the worst goaltending in the modern era. With even an average goalie we would have been a bubble team. The lack of defensive depth on the Flames is not a huge issue IMO. Our top 3 is obvious. Then you have Jokipakka, Smid, Wideman, Engelland, Kulak, Kyllington, Wotherspoon, etc...
Next year Smid, Wideman, and Engelland come of the books for a combined $11.5+ million in cap space. That's when you look to pick up your depth defenceman.
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Tell me why the Flames are even adding, let alone them doing the deal? I'd take Brodie alone over Plekanec and Beaulieu any day.
My apologies. I assumed Stajan would still be manning 3c duties in that scenario. Also I figured Smid won't be playing next year because of his neck so that frees up cash needed for Emelin and his salary.
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Stajan is done as anything more than a steadying presence in the bottom 6. Might even see him bought at the end of next season.
You could be correct about Smid though. Either way, the Flames aren't giving up Backlund for Emelin. We still have Wideman in the fold. The Flames can't afford another 4 mil defenceman. Any cap space saved on Smid is likely to go to Gaudreau and Monahan, who both need big extensions. The Flames cap situation right now, even with Smid off the books, isn't great. Next year is another story though.
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Hi.
I could tell you Brodie is untouchable. I could show you stats and explain his role. Or I could give an equally brutal counter-offer. But I will just post this video:
That is why Plekanec+Beaulieu does not get you close to Brodie. You had one piece that would have, but he is now in Nashville.
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