CBJ Training Camp Thread

[Double-Shift Lasse]

What if it’s something “private”??

You can say you asked?

"The team is not commenting on the absence of forward Yegor Chinakov blah blah blah," for example. "Vincent has no update on the status of defenseman Ivaan Provorov, who is in Columbus but has not participated in any on-ice activities during training camp yadda yadda". Yes, I know it's a tweet that I'm commenting on.

I just always wanted my readers (assuming I had any) to know that I asked about something I assume they will wonder when there's no detail provided. This as opposed to just leaving it out and having them wonder.

Maybe it's been reported elsewhere but I'd think then he would at least include that explanation in parentheses in the tweet. No, nothing and no one is perfect. I'm just one of those readers out here wondering.

 

[DarkandStormy]

You can say you asked?

"The team is not commenting on the absence of forward Yegor Chinakov blah blah blah," for example. "Vincent has no update on the status of defenseman Ivaan Provorov, who is in Columbus but has not participated in any on-ice activities during training camp yadda yadda". Yes, I know it's a tweet that I'm commenting on.

I just always wanted my readers (assuming I had any) to know that I asked about something I assume they will wonder when there's no detail provided. This as opposed to just leaving it out and having them wonder.

Maybe it's been reported elsewhere but I'd think then he would at least include that explanation in parentheses in the tweet. No, nothing and no one is perfect. I'm just one of those readers out here wondering.

Svoboda works for the club in his capacity as "Jackets Insider." There are very likely restrictions on things he can ask/publish.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Svoboda works for the club in his capacity as "Jackets Insider." There are very likely restrictions on things he can ask/publish.

Yeah I know.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

in a regular season game this would probably be:

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13 - 29 - 86​

42 - 11 - 91​

59 - 38 - 96​

50 - 7 - 17​

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i don't hate it!

 

[thebus88]

How has bjorgvik holm looked? Any NHL future or just career AHLer?

I think it was the TC prospect tournament last year, maybe the year before, that he looked awesome the games I saw, and I remember saying some pretty favorable things about him. Probably took to much from playing against prospects in an overall “unorganized” setting.

I don’t remember his preseason games or what my evaluations were from them. He’s not someone who you can evaluate looking at the stats, and overall he’s somebody hard to get “looks” at unfortunately. From what I remember “NHL potential” is there, but, would be well down the road.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Blue Jackets trim training camp roster by two players | Columbus Blue Jackets

Roster now stands at 61 players, including 34 forwards, 21 defensemen and six goaltenders

www.nhl.com

Lalonde sent back to Erie and Ben Roger released from his ATO.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I think the experiment is back on

 

[I3LI3]

I think the experiment is back on

bums me out hardcore because him and fanta’s chemistry is undeniable.

 

[stevo61]

The Laine center experiment probably does balance the lines better should it work. Likely gets Johnson with Fantilli and then you are left finding the best 3rd option for each pair

bums me out hardcore because him and fanta’s chemistry is undeniable.

Still special teams and building longterm chemistry with Johnson would be just as exciting. Unless he goes with Gaudreau and Laine plays with Johnson I suppose

 

[BB88]

bums me out hardcore because him and fanta’s chemistry is undeniable.

What if Fantilli ends up as the goal scoring winger

 

[CBJx614]

bums me out hardcore because him and fanta’s chemistry is undeniable.

Not me.

If Laine shows he can be a legit top 6 C we now have our centers in the top 6 for the foreseeable future and can slot Jenner at the 3C or on the wings. It's a win-win-win.

Laine gets involved more.

Fantilli can be sheltered behind possibly Laine and potentially Jenner and slowly work into the top 6 C role and it also takes pressure off Johnson to perform right away.

It also can make some tough matchups on opposing teams if you have multiple guys able to play center(not just faceoffs but actually playing the position)

 

[squashmaple]

No one on the team understands what Fantilli is about to go through better than Patrik Laine. He was once a top prospect with an insane amount of pressure, stepping into a team as an eighteen year old phenom, in front of a passionate, sometimes fickle and even cruel fanbase after a truly terrible season. And Laine remembers how no one on those Winnipeg teams supported him, how the veterans in that dressing room did everything they could to exclude him and make him feel unwelcome. And he’s choosing not to do that to Fantilli. He is very publicly and deliberately choosing not to be like Wheeler and Little and the other Jets vets from 2016.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[NotWendell]

No one on the team understands what Fantilli is about to go through better than Patrik Laine. He was once a top prospect with an insane amount of pressure, stepping into a team as an eighteen year old phenom, in front of a passionate, sometimes fickle and even cruel fanbase after a truly terrible season. And Laine remembers how no one on those Winnipeg teams supported him, how the veterans in that dressing room did everything they could to exclude him and make him feel unwelcome. And he’s choosing not to do that to Fantilli. He is very publicly and deliberately choosing not to be like Wheeler and Little and the other Jets vets from 2016.

What if Fantilli can help Laine learn how to play center as well?

 

[majormajor]

If you watched how Laine and Fantilli were transitioning up the ice together last game, most of the time it was Laine carrying the puck up the middle of the ice. Fantilli was on the draw. I wasn't paying close attention to who was covering defensively the most but we know that Patty likes to be first back checker and play center down low.

That seems to work with Laine and Fantilli together splitting the job, I don't really care which one is called the center.

What if Fantilli can help Laine learn how to play center as well?

Oddly enough the 18 year old is looking like the master at faceoffs. Which is just weird.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

What if Fantilli can help Laine learn how to play center as well?

I think that they have a natural instinct to elevate each other. Talent recognizes talent, and if they connect outside the sport, it gets even better.

 

[stevo61]

If you watched how Laine and Fantilli were transitioning up the ice together last game, most of the time it was Laine carrying the puck up the middle of the ice. Fantilli was on the draw. I wasn't paying close attention to who was covering defensively the most but we know that Patty likes to be first back checker and play center down low.

That seems to work with Laine and Fantilli together splitting the job, I don't really care which one is called the center.



Oddly enough the 18 year old is looking like the master at faceoffs. Which is just weird.

he was 3 for 9 vs Pittsburgh

 

[majormajor]

he was 3 for 9 vs Pittsburgh

Fantilli was? Dang. That looks like a normal 18 year old center number (which is awful).

 

[majormajor]

I'm sure we'll keep spotting good combinations as the training camp experiments continue. If I had to make a starting D lineup now it would look a little like this:

Werenski - Blankenburg
Provorov - Severson
Boqvist - Peeke
Gudbranson

Blanks is looking a lot better now fully recovered from the broken ankle that bothered him last year. I love his activation. Great pinches. With Werenski in the past those two put together some gaudy offensive chance numbers. They should be a big lift to whatever scorers are out there with them.

I've enjoyed Mateychuk this pre-season. His quickness and strength are really improved. But I'm not going to take Boqvist out for him. Is he better than Boqvist currently? I don't know, but not enough that I'm willing to rush Mateychuk like we did with Boqvist. I don't buy the idea that Mateychuk doesn't have anything to learn in the WHL. He didn't win any trophies, he didn't play in the WJC, no memorial cup. He was a bit disappointing for much of last year actually. So there's plenty for him to do there.

 

[majormajor]

For the forwards, just based on the little we've seen, I'd start with

Texier - Fantilli - Laine
Gaudreau - Jenner - Roslovic
Marchenko - KJ - Danforth
Robinson - Kuraly - Bemstrom

- I'm eager to see what Roslovic can do as a scoring wing. The tools are all there, does he cut out the overhandling and understand his role if he is opposite Gaudreau?

- Marchenko scored more with KJ than he did with Gaudreau. And KJ is also not looking like a fit with Gaudreau (so far). So let's let them pair together and handle some easier minutes. They'll just need a puckhound and strong faceoff guy to help them out, which is clearly Danforth.

- I'd actually love to see Marchenko with Robinson and Kuraly. They need a net front scorer. Those guys got badly outscored largely because they only shot 5% last year. But they're terrific at working pucks into the danger areas, it's too bad our best danger area scorer (Marchenko) who is needed higher in the lineup. That leaves Bemstrom who is decent all around, better overall than the rest. We've never seen him get caved in, I think he'll help that line. I'd also consider Roslovic there.

- Sillinger looks quicker but he doesn't have his timing right now, he's an obvious AHL guy for now. Foudy looks like an AHLer, if anything worse than he used to look. Chinakhov wasn't doing anything in the NHL last year, Voronkov also looks like he needs AHL time. We're not that deep.

- Dumais is not close to ready. Prior to his snipe the other night he was getting thrown off pucks and not looking good. He has some unfinished business in Halifax (and at the WJC).

 

[CBJWerenski8]

For the forwards, just based on the little we've seen, I'd start with

Texier - Fantilli - Laine
Gaudreau - Jenner - Roslovic
Marchenko - KJ - Danforth
Robinson - Kuraly - Bemstrom

- I'm eager to see what Roslovic can do as a scoring wing. The tools are all there, does he cut out the overhandling and understand his role if he is opposite Gaudreau?

- Marchenko scored more with KJ than he did with Gaudreau. And KJ is also not looking like a fit with Gaudreau (so far). So let's let them pair together and handle some easier minutes. They'll just need a puckhound and strong faceoff guy to help them out, which is clearly Danforth.

- I'd actually love to see Marchenko with Robinson and Kuraly. They need a net front scorer. Those guys got badly outscored largely because they only shot 5% last year. But they're terrific at working pucks into the danger areas, it's too bad our best danger area scorer (Marchenko) who is needed higher in the lineup. That leaves Bemstrom who is decent all around, better overall than the rest. We've never seen him get caved in, I think he'll help that line. I'd also consider Roslovic there.

- Sillinger looks quicker but he doesn't have his timing right now, he's an obvious AHL guy for now. Foudy looks like an AHLer, if anything worse than he used to look. Chinakhov wasn't doing anything in the NHL last year, Voronkov also looks like he needs AHL time. We're not that deep.

- Dumais is not close to ready. Prior to his snipe the other night he was getting thrown off pucks and not looking good. He has some unfinished business in Halifax (and at the WJC).

If you're sending Chinakhov, Sillinger and Voronkov to the minors, and waiving Foudy. Who is/are your extra forward(s)? Gaunce? Dunne? I know Olivier would be one but he's not healthy right now.

As far as your lines go, I actually really like them. I do think Vincent would likely flip Marchenko and Roslovic (because I don't think the organization as a whole is too high on Roslovic) but other than that I won't argue any of it. Also could see Danforth/Roslovic being the 3C and KJ the LW on that line. For extras I would personally have Foudy and Olivier when healthy.

As for D, no complaints, but I highly doubt Gudbranson is a 4M scratch. I think Boqvist or Blankenburg are far more likely candidates.

 

[majormajor]

If you're sending Chinakhov, Sillinger and Voronkov to the minors, and waiving Foudy. Who is/are your extra forward(s)? Gaunce? Dunne? I know Olivier would be one but he's not healthy right now.

As far as your lines go, I actually really like them. I do think Vincent would likely flip Marchenko and Roslovic (because I don't think the organization as a whole is too high on Roslovic) but other than that I won't argue any of it. Also could see Danforth/Roslovic being the 3C and KJ the LW on that line. For extras I would personally have Foudy and Olivier when healthy.

As for D, no complaints, but I highly doubt Gudbranson is a 4M scratch. I think Boqvist or Blankenburg are far more likely candidates.

I've got no quarrel with Foudy as 13F. Or waive him and put Gaunce there, I have no strong preference.

And yes, I'd also expect to see Marchenko playing higher in the lineup than Roslovic. But this is how I'd do it.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

If you're sending Chinakhov, Sillinger and Voronkov to the minors, and waiving Foudy. Who is/are your extra forward(s)? Gaunce? Dunne? I know Olivier would be one but he's not healthy right now.

As far as your lines go, I actually really like them. I do think Vincent would likely flip Marchenko and Roslovic (because I don't think the organization as a whole is too high on Roslovic) but other than that I won't argue any of it. Also could see Danforth/Roslovic being the 3C and KJ the LW on that line. For extras I would personally have Foudy and Olivier when healthy.

As for D, no complaints, but I highly doubt Gudbranson is a 4M scratch. I think Boqvist or Blankenburg are far more likely candidates.

Do we have evidence that the organization is not "too high on Roslovic"?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Do we have evidence that the organization is not "too high on Roslovic"?

He was skating with the extras early in camp. Has rumored to be on the block for almost a year now. Larsen and Torts used to call him out by name for his defense.

I guess no real confirmation but an educated guess.

 

[VT]

I would like more:

Johnson -- Laine -- Marchenko
Gaudreau -- Fantilli -- Texier

I'd also consider Voronkov in the top 6 (prefer to Laine) when he's ready. Not because of stats, but he's a bulldozer, and also a similar provocateur like Matthiew Tkachuk.