Rumor: CBJ Scouting Colorado

[CBJWerenski8]

If you don't see his decline you (1) aren't watching games close enough to see how often players are getting behind him and/or (2) haven't seen his poor advanced stats this year.

The young guys are irrelevant. Top 4 has to improve beyond Murray's ascendancy. Wiz has been fantastic paired with Murray. One of Johnson or Tyutin has to go to make way for improvement.

I've seen every game. Tyuts has had good games and he's had bad games. Other than Murray's offensive game, Tyuts and Murray have been identical defensively to me, which isn't an insult to either of them.

I could care less about advanced stats.

 

[DJA]

Avs fan coming in peace here. Can we take ROR off the table? I don't see CBJ having anything the Avs would want if they part with ROR.

Put PAP or Mitchell on the table though, and I think there could be a possible trade scenario??

Mitchell and Elliott for Nikitin and???

Nothing that you would want? You have a terrible defense and we have a glut of young, skilled dmen in the pipeline, not to mention a very respectable NHL D corps.

Mitchell is of no use whatsoever to us. Parenteau, as I said earlier, would be intriguing. Nikitin and a draft pick would be what I would likely offer.

 

[Cash for Nash]

Avs fan coming in peace here. Can we take ROR off the table? I don't see CBJ having anything the Avs would want if they part with ROR.

Put PAP or Mitchell on the table though, and I think there could be a possible trade scenario??

Mitchell and Elliott for Nikitin and???

You came in peace....now you may leave in peace.

Discussing Mitchell and Elliot is a waste of time for everyone.

 

[CapnCornelius]

I've seen every game. Tyuts has had good games and he's had bad games. Other than Murray's offensive game, Tyuts and Murray have been identical defensively to me, which isn't an insult to either of them.

I could care less about advanced stats.

You of course acknowledge that there is a big difference between Tyutin and Murray--one is not yet in his prime and the other is on the downside of his career. So, one is a second pairing d-man with #1 upside and one is a second pairing d-man who will soon be a third pairing d -man.

 

[Jackets16]

Avs fan coming in peace here. Can we take ROR off the table? I don't see CBJ having anything the Avs would want if they part with ROR.

Put PAP or Mitchell on the table though, and I think there could be a possible trade scenario??

Mitchell and Elliott for Nikitin and???

No there isn't. No interest in either.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Avs fan coming in peace here. Can we take ROR off the table? I don't see CBJ having anything the Avs would want if they part with ROR.

Put PAP or Mitchell on the table though, and I think there could be a possible trade scenario??

Mitchell and Elliott for Nikitin and???

Parentau is a look warm maybe. And I'm still not sure I believe we send both our GM and President if he's the target the more I think about it.

Zero interest in Mitchell or Elliott. Less than zero. Our fourth line is fine even with Comeau, Skille and Boll out of the lineup.

 

[Samkow]

Why exactly would we commit our two big dogs for a small trade, Sam. You don't send out JD and JK to acquire John Mitchell. It's a waste of resources..

Good point. But I still think a small trade makes the most sense.

Notwithstanding that they need defensmen and we have one or 2 NHL defensemen in surplus, I don't think we make good trading partners with Colorado, especially for any trade involving key pieces.

Colorado's a bit like us in the sense that "the future is now." Not sure they'd trade a guy like ROR/Stastny for pics/prospects. Same principle applies to us. And we can't add much salary without having to offload some of our own.

So any major trade will require something of substance going back. And does anybody here other than Robert think (at this time)this team needs a substantial shakeup? I don't see Kekalainen willing to do it.

Now if things go south in the next 10ish games before the trade deadline, that's a different story. Hopefully they don't.

 

[hattrick3518]

Nothing that you would want? You have a terrible defense and we have a glut of young, skilled dmen in the pipeline, not to mention a very respectable NHL D corps.

Mitchell is of no use whatsoever to us. Parenteau, as I said earlier, would be intriguing. Nikitin and a draft pick would be what I would likely offer.

Nikitin or Tyutin, that would be about it, those are the two that I see being available for a fair price, the proposal made here is fair I think..

No there isn't. No interest in either.

OK

Parentau is a look warm maybe. And I'm still not sure I believe we send both our GM and President if he's the target the more I think about it.

Zero interest in Mitchell or Elliott. Less than zero. Our fourth line is fine even with Comeau, Skille and Boll out of the lineup.

Alright then, I don't see ROR going to CBJ, maybe they were scouting Staz? Who knows, its just speculative.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Any chance JD and Jarmo was scouting Statsny, not to make a trade for him but to make a run at him on July 1st(if he hits UFA status)? Maybe they plan on making a big offer on him but wanted to see him more before they do this? Thing is, why scout him this past weekend? Why not later on unless they plan on scouting him again in the future. Another thing you could say though is, they should concentrate on improving the team now and not for next season.

 

[Cash for Nash]

Any chance JD and Jarmo was scouting Statsny, not to make a trade for him but to make a run at him on July 1st(if he hits UFA status)? Maybe they plan on making a big offer on him but wanted to see him more before they do this? Thing is, why scout him this past weekend? Why not later on unless they plan on scouting him again in the future. Another thing you could say though is, they should concentrate on improving the team now and not for next season.

Stasny doesn't really make sense to me. He's a center and we have a ton of those guys just as good. But maybe.....Seems like the guys we end up getting come out of left field (like Gaborik).

 

[DJA]

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 31s
RT @ernmorris: @Aportzline what can we surmise from JD / Jarmo scouting the Avs?/ Wanted to see somebody up close. Lots of chatter b4 Oly



I think this confirms that this wasn't just a "let's catch a Tampa Bay game" trip like some have surmised.

 

[NotWendell]

The more I look at their roster and their contracts, the only name that makes sense for the CBJ to target is ROR.

 

[NotWendell]

So going back to Capn's question: would I trade Gaborik, Tyutin and a 1st for ROR? Yeah, I probably would. I'd rather include Umberger and/or Nikitin instead of Tyutin, but you have to give to get.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Nikitin or Tyutin, that would be about it, those are the two that I see being available for a fair price, the proposal made here is fair I think..



OK



Alright then, I don't see ROR going to CBJ, maybe they were scouting Staz? Who knows, its just speculative.

Seriously, buddy, we've got no need at center. 2/3 of our forwards are or were centers. So, unless we want to go for a lineup made up of all centers except Nathan Horton, it makes no sense.

Parentau and ROR are the only possibilities I see.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Good point. But I still think a small trade makes the most sense.

Notwithstanding that they need defensmen and we have one or 2 NHL defensemen in surplus, I don't think we make good trading partners with Colorado, especially for any trade involving key pieces.

Colorado's a bit like us in the sense that "the future is now." Not sure they'd trade a guy like ROR/Stastny for pics/prospects. Same principle applies to us. And we can't add much salary without having to offload some of our own.

So any major trade will require something of substance going back. And does anybody here other than Robert think (at this time)this team needs a substantial shakeup? I don't see Kekalainen willing to do it.

Now if things go south in the next 10ish games before the trade deadline, that's a different story. Hopefully they don't.

The thing is, clearly our management DOES think there is a trade to be made. This isn't simply Avs fans wondering what we might offer them in a trade, etc. This is something being seriously considered by our team. Jarmo is at least willing to consider it. Whether he ultimately pulls the trigger remains to be seen. But there's something they have that he wants.

Again, how much of a "substantial shake-up" is it if the main guy in the lineup on a daily basis that is traded is Fedor Tyutin…and Jarmo makes a second move to upgrade the defense?

So going back to Capn's question: would I trade Gaborik, Tyutin and a 1st for ROR? Yeah, I probably would. I'd rather include Umberger and/or Nikitin instead of Tyutin, but you have to give to get.

To be clear, that wasn't JUST for ROR. I still think some of those pieces (a pick, a prospect) are used to upgrade the defense.

 

[NotWendell]

To be clear, that wasn't JUST for ROR. I still think some of those pieces (a pick, a prospect) are used to upgrade the defense.

I think this is going to have to be done with TWO trades.

 

[Nanabijou]

Emphasis on less skilled.

I don't know what some of you think we have in Tyutin. A slowing, aging, second pairing d-man with a contract which has a horrible term. We have gotta upgrade from him to be a contender going forward.

Gee, a 23-year 30 goal scorer is going to cost money. Oh, add to it that he's a solid two-way player AND a team leader? Yeah, that's money well spent. Depth is already a strength. Add a guy like O'Reilly? We really are on the path to being a Cup contender. Add him and maybe a guy like Callahan in free agency....

I've already acknowledged--you have to have a trade for the right defenseman to make it work. But if Jarmo can line that part up? I'd be in favor of adding O'Reilly 100%.

Whether or not you think Tyutin is a valuable component of the team (I'm in the former group), I am very confident that he won't be in any trade between now and the trade deadline.

He has a NMC. While these have been shown to be worthless in certain situations, those situations usually involve either: 1) the team is struggling, going to retool/rebuild, and will be a definite seller at the deadline; or 2) the player is in the coach's doghouse or has been passed sufficiently on the depth list that his ice time has been significantly reduced.

I don't see either of those situations applying to Tyuts at this point, so why would he OK a trade when he has a chance to be on a Columbus team that may have turned a corner? I would think that for someone who lived through the low points, that would be hard to pass up, not to mention the fact that his family is rooted here.

If we are looking to put together a deal for ROR, it is going to be centered around JJ or Nikitin (plus more assets if it is the latter).

 

[major major]

I agree with Cap'n that Tyutin is slowing down. On the rush at least Murray and Nikitin are both better defenders. In the zone Tyutin is still a beast. I also have to say that I'm miffed that JJ can play 10 good games and everyone is ready to call him our best defenceman. On the year JJ has been at the bottom of our defencemen in terms of producing offence. These are not "advanced stats." JJ is 27 years old and still has the consistency of a kid out of juniors. I also have hopes that he'll be able to keep up this level of play, but those are just hopes.

I think in all of this Nikitin is going underrated. I think he's been great at both ends. If we do end up trading him it better be for solid assets, no spare parts deal like Mitchell and Elliott.

I don't know if the Avs really would move ROR, perhaps they can't stomach paying him $6.5million next year, but he's a tremendous player. For ROR I'd trade Tyutin ++ or JJ straight up. Or we could just go into the playoffs with this cast, which is solid all around.

 

[hattrick3518]

Seriously, buddy, we've got no need at center. 2/3 of our forwards are or were centers. So, unless we want to go for a lineup made up of all centers except Nathan Horton, it makes no sense.

Parentau and ROR are the only possibilities I see.

Parenteau is the only availably one out of those two... So what is the offer?

 

[DJA]

Parenteau is the only availably one out of those two... So what is the offer?

As with all trade discussions on HF, you have no idea what is and what isn't available, or what conversations NHL GMs have had.

 

[major major]

Parenteau is the only availably one out of those two... So what is the offer?

Is your ownership going to substantially raise the payroll? Unless they commit to that I'm not going to believe ROR isn't in play.

 

[CB Joe]

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 31s
RT @ernmorris: @Aportzline what can we surmise from JD / Jarmo scouting the Avs?/ Wanted to see somebody up close. Lots of chatter b4 Oly



I think this confirms that this wasn't just a "let's catch a Tampa Bay game" trip like some have surmised.

Doubt it.

 

[NotWendell]

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[CB Joe]

Is your ownership going to substantially raise the payroll? Unless they commit to that I'm not going to believe ROR isn't in play.

They wouldn't have to raise it any. He's getting paid $6.5m this year.

Also the Avs beat writer has already reported that the team and O'Reilly have agreed to have contract negotiations in the off-season.

 

[hattrick3518]

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That article is almost a year old there chap...