Rumor: CBJ Scouting Colorado

[Cash for Nash]

Who do we want from Colorado (other than Duchene and Landeskog)?

Gotta be Paranteau or O Reily right?

Colorado cannot possibly part with defenseman (wouldn't think at least).

I'd think Gaborik + Tuytin + (?) would get the ball rolling in talks for O'reily.

What a blockbuster that would be.

 

[CapnCornelius]

It seems like trading for a defenseman shouldn't be too hard to do. It may cost a little more than we would like, but they seem to get traded the most when a team isn't going for the playoffs anymore.

The cost is what scares me. But, if you get O'Reilly AND the right defenseman and the total cost for both is Gabby, Tyutin, our first round pick, and possibly a non-blue chip prospect do you do it?

 

[Cash for Nash]

The cost is what scares me. But, if you get O'Reilly AND the right defenseman and the total cost for both is Gabby, Tyutin, our first round pick, and possibly a non-blue chip prospect do you do it?

Depends on who you consider the "right defenseman."

I would just because you could lock up a great young player who's tough as nails.

Question for you captain: How difficult would it be to replace Tyutin? Seems difficult to find those guys at the deadline (good ones) without giving up a lot.

 

[Jackets16]

I understand. I just don't see how it isn't for a guy like O'Reilly if we were to make a trade with Colorado. He would fit with our team and is young. I can't see us trading for someone who isn't young, BTW, except if it is a defensive defenseman. I'd probably make the trade as long as the prospect wasn't Wennberg or Dansk.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Depends on who you consider the "right defenseman."

I would just because you could lock up a great young player who's tough as nails.

Question for you captain: How difficult would it be to replace Tyutin? Seems difficult to find those guys at the deadline (good ones) without giving up a lot.

I looked at the "rental" list of defensemen the other day and it was less than impressive. We'll likely have to get creative for a player under contract beyond this year that a rebuilding team is looking to get rid of.

 

[Fro]

guess i'm alone in the meh on ROR area...kid may be skilled, but just keep seeing things pointing that he's a head case and gonna be well overpaid for the return we get...

 

[Jackets16]

I looked at the "rental" list of defensemen the other day and it was less than impressive. We'll likely have to get creative for a player under contract beyond this year that a rebuilding team is looking to get rid of.

To be perfectly honest, if it was Nikitin we traded, I would prefer to see how Erixon or Goloubef played first. Obviously, if it were Tyutin who was traded, then I would think differently.

 

[Jackets16]

guess i'm alone in the meh on ROR area...kid may be skilled, but just keep seeing things pointing that he's a head case and gonna be well overpaid for the return we get...

To me, he is the perfect fit for the team we are putting together.

 

[Fro]

To me, he is the perfect fit for the team we are putting together.

i'm perfectly fine being wrong here...i don't watch enough Avs games to see him on the ice...so i can only base it on articles i see/read...

 

[Jackets16]

i'm perfectly fine being wrong here...i don't watch enough Avs games to see him on the ice...so i can only base it on articles i see/read...

Hey, I could be wrong too. I just am going off how he plays. Maybe he wouldn't be a good guy to have on the team. I just don't think ther are many guys who play like him and are young. He would join our core group of young players (Johansen, Murray, Atkinson, Calvert, Jenner, etc....). If it worked out, we would be pretty set for 5+ years.

 

[NotWendell]

I dont understand why so many are so willing to part with Tyutin.
In regards to PA, we don't need another setup man. We need a sharpshooter.

 

[Jackets16]

I dont understand why so many are so willing to part with Tyutin.

If we have to trade a defenseman to get a player we want/need, he is second on my list. I am not trading Murray, Johnson, or Wisniewski. Savard wouldn't bring back much. So, that leaves Nikitin and Tyutin.

 

[punk_o_holic]

I looked at the "rental" list of defensemen the other day and it was less than impressive. We'll likely have to get creative for a player under contract beyond this year that a rebuilding team is looking to get rid of.

I would want Dmitry Kulikov. It seems like he's always on the block. He isn't locked up beyond this season but he would only be a RFA. Another poster in the main trade boards created a thread regarding him and labeled him as a potential KHL bound player. Not sure if there are talks of him going back home or if the poster was just saying that because he's Russian. Still young as well. What would you give up for him though?

R.O.R, how big of a offer sheet would teams throw at him? If he signed the first time(especially if he was willing to go to Calgary) then I'm sure he would do it again. Is this a concern for you all? Or if he gets a big offer sheet, take the picks and move on?

 

[Dr. Fire]

What we need to do here is look at what would help in the long term. JD has made it perfectly clear that just getting into the play-offs this year takes a back seat to building for the future. I would think that whoever they are looking at on the Avs roster is going to be someone that will improve us for the long haul, not merely to get us into the play-offs this year.

This was made quite evident when JD stated, during our usual crappy start, that he was sticking with the guys we have now. We have good young players and they are going to take their lumps this season, good or bad.

Anyway, my thought is it would be a player from the Avs that would be a good fit for the long-term future, and if he helps get us into the play-offs this season, all the better.

 

[alphafox]

If we have to trade a defenseman to get a player we want/need, he is second on my list. I am not trading Murray, Johnson, or Wisniewski. Savard wouldn't bring back much. So, that leaves Nikitin and Tyutin.

Ditto.

Johnson is our best overall blueliner (at least for now Murray is coming on strong). Wiz basically makes our powerplay work and brings offensive ability no one else on the blue line has. Murray is IMO already our 2nd best blueliner and he is only 20.

Tyutin is simply the only piece on the blueline I would be willing to part with that will get us a significant return.

 

[pete goegan]

I dont understand why so many are so willing to part with Tyutin.
In regards to PA, we don't need another setup man. We need a sharpshooter.

I value Tyutin a bit more than many, I suppose. I think his stability on the back end and his leadership of our Russian contingent are important to this team. I'm not anxious to see him traded.

I agree, too, with the need for a finisher, that's why I still hold out hope for a successful return by Gaborik, especially after seeing the veteran/injury loophole. That would allow them to put together an incentive-laden contract with a low base salary. Don't know if Gabby would be all that enthused about it! Does create an interesting problem, though - the FO has said, all along, that they favor his return ASAP and would prefer that he regain form in Sochi. With the loophole, though, they now have good reason to hope he is not ready, that soon. That only matters if they have any real thought of bringing him back.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

What we need to do here is look at what would help in the long term. JD has made it perfectly clear that just getting into the play-offs this year takes a back seat to building for the future.

Is it really that clear?

Should you sell the whole future to make the playoffs this year? No

Should you do whatever you can within reason to make the playoffs this season? Yes.

It would be a disservice to this current team if you don't do anything to help them in this situation. Everyone has pretty much said they are further along in the rebuild than initially thought. Considering we seem pretty stocked with depth and had 3 1st rounders last year that this year's 1st round pick could fully be on the table for help in the right deal.

That being said, the CBJ need to give back salary to acquire a player of any significance this season since there is less than 2 million in cap space available. Whatever the return is for a given player needs to be carefully analyzed.

 

[Derby]

I value Tyutin a bit more than many, I suppose. I think his stability on the back end and his leadership of our Russian contingent are important to this team. I'm not anxious to see him traded.

I agree, too, with the need for a finisher, that's why I still hold out hope for a successful return by Gaborik, especially after seeing the veteran/injury loophole. That would allow them to put together an incentive-laden contract with a low base salary. Don't know if Gabby would be all that enthused about it! Does create an interesting problem, though - the FO has said, all along, that they favor his return ASAP and would prefer that he regain form in Sochi. With the loophole, though, they now have good reason to hope he is not ready, that soon. That only matters if they have any real thought of bringing him back.

I am in the same camp as you. I think the coaching staff values Tyutin a lot, as well. He's the defenceman out there when we are in a 3 on 5 kill. That alone speaks to his value in the eyes of the coaches.

Now, his value may be the very thing that makes him attractive as a trade element, but I for one hope they do not move him. I'll take his steady confidence and leadership (esp with our Russians) any day.

 

[Dr. Fire]

Is it really that clear?

Should you sell the whole future to make the playoffs this year? No

Should you do whatever you can within reason to make the playoffs this season? Yes.

It would be a disservice to this current team if you don't do anything to help them in this situation. Everyone has pretty much said they are further along in the rebuild than initially thought. Considering we seem pretty stocked with depth and had 3 1st rounders last year that this year's 1st round pick could fully be on the table for help in the right deal.

That being said, the CBJ need to give back salary to acquire a player of any significance this season since there is less than 2 million in cap space available. Whatever the return is for a given player needs to be carefully analyzed.

I agree, my point is that it won't be someone that could help now, but will be gone after the season, or who will want out. It will be someone that will be here long-haul, but can also help now.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Im with Fro, not big on RoR. Yes he'd be a good fit, but check out the insane coin he's going to make on that RFA contract, and I don't think he's worth losing a defender like Tyutin. Dubinsky is a less skilled RoR. No thanks

 

[Viqsi]

I value Tyutin a bit more than many, I suppose. I think his stability on the back end and his leadership of our Russian contingent are important to this team. I'm not anxious to see him traded.

This, only I would go so far as to say that I'm anxious to see him NOT traded. Mostly because I'm fairly convinced his Mr. Quiet Confidence approach likely reaches more than just the Russian contingent.

I'd be willing to consider move him maybe in a year or two when Murray has conquered the world. Right now, though, I do not know of any (reasonably feasible) deal that would involve Tyutin that does not make this team worse.


As for RoR, I like him and think he'd mesh well with the team identity, but the price is just going to be too high IMO. Just because he'd seem like a good fit doesn't mean we've got to go after him.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Im with Fro, not big on RoR. Yes he'd be a good fit, but check out the insane coin he's going to make on that RFA contract, and I don't think he's worth losing a defender like Tyutin. Dubinsky is a less skilled RoR. No thanks

Emphasis on less skilled.

I don't know what some of you think we have in Tyutin. A slowing, aging, second pairing d-man with a contract which has a horrible term. We have gotta upgrade from him to be a contender going forward.

Gee, a 23-year 30 goal scorer is going to cost money. Oh, add to it that he's a solid two-way player AND a team leader? Yeah, that's money well spent. Depth is already a strength. Add a guy like O'Reilly? We really are on the path to being a Cup contender. Add him and maybe a guy like Callahan in free agency....

I've already acknowledged--you have to have a trade for the right defenseman to make it work. But if Jarmo can line that part up? I'd be in favor of adding O'Reilly 100%.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Emphasis on less skilled.

I don't know what some of you think we have in Tyutin. A slowing, aging, second pairing d-man with a contract which has a horrible term. We have gotta upgrade from him to be a contender going forward.

Gee, a 23-year 30 goal scorer is going to cost money. Oh, add to it that he's a solid two-way player AND a team leader? Yeah, that's money well spent. Depth is already a strength. Add a guy like O'Reilly? We really are on the path to being a Cup contender. Add him and maybe a guy like Callahan in free agency....

I've already acknowledged--you have to have a trade for the right defenseman to make it work. But if Jarmo can line that part up? I'd be in favor of adding O'Reilly 100%.

If Tyutin is slowing and aging he isn't showing it. His term is a bit long, but he's still an important contributor to the team and a stabilizer on the back end. It's been reported many times that the young guys seem to gravitate to him in the room.

I can understand moving Tyuts, because we have Prout, Goloubef, and Erixon in the wings, and RoR is a good player. I just don't think i'd pull the trigger

 

[CapnCornelius]

If Tyutin is slowing and aging he isn't showing it. His term is a bit long, but he's still an important contributor to the team and a stabilizer on the back end. It's been reported many times that the young guys seem to gravitate to him in the room.

I can understand moving Tyuts, because we have Prout, Goloubef, and Erixon in the wings, and RoR is a good player. I just don't think i'd pull the trigger

If you don't see his decline you (1) aren't watching games close enough to see how often players are getting behind him and/or (2) haven't seen his poor advanced stats this year.

The young guys are irrelevant. Top 4 has to improve beyond Murray's ascendancy. Wiz has been fantastic paired with Murray. One of Johnson or Tyutin has to go to make way for improvement.

 

[hattrick3518]

Avs fan coming in peace here. Can we take ROR off the table? I don't see CBJ having anything the Avs would want if they part with ROR.

Put PAP or Mitchell on the table though, and I think there could be a possible trade scenario??

Mitchell and Elliott for Nikitin and???