Rumor: CBJ Scouting Colorado

[hattrick3518]

As with all trade discussions on HF, you have no idea what is and what isn't available, or what conversations NHL GMs have had.

And neither do you

Is your ownership going to substantially raise the payroll? Unless they commit to that I'm not going to believe ROR isn't in play.

The Avs don't have cap issues, and can afford to pay those that are due for a raise

 

[major major]

They wouldn't have to raise it any. He's getting paid $6.5m this year.

Also the Avs beat writer has already reported that the team and O'Reilly have agreed to have contract negotiations in the off-season.

I mean the pay averaged out, or the "cap payroll".

 

[CB Joe]

I mean the pay averaged out, or the "cap payroll".

Well cap space isn't a problem for the Avs.

 

[major major]

Well cap space isn't a problem for the Avs.

You misunderstand me. They've been a miserly team and I'm questioning whether they want to step up and pay all of their young guys. I'm just using their cap payroll as an indicator of their average payroll, to get rid of variations (ROR made 3.5 last year, 6.5 this year, but its one contract).

 

[CB Joe]

You misunderstand me. They've been a miserly team and I'm questioning whether they want to step up and pay all of their young guys. I'm just using their cap payroll as an indicator of their average payroll, to get rid of variations (ROR made 3.5 last year, 6.5 this year, but its one contract).

RoR barely played last year, it's not like the Avs got a discount last year and paid for it this season. The Avs committed to paying him his $6.5m for this season. So it's not like payroll is going to go up re-signing him.

When all is said and done I think he takes a contract similar to Staal and Couture. $6m/y long term.

 

[major major]

RoR barely played last year, it's not like the Avs got a discount last year and paid for it this season. The Avs committed to paying him his $6.5m for this season. So it's not like payroll is going to go up re-signing him.

When all is said and done I think he takes a contract similar to Staal and Couture. $6m/y long term.

IIRC the minimum offer has to be $6.5 per or he becomes UFA, in which case someone will offer that or more. And in any case, its not just O'Reilly, the Avs are going to have to step up their payroll if they want to keep everyone and have more than a cheap-o defence. I think they'd be crazy not to pay up, but thus far they've been cheap and we'll see if that changes.

 

[hattrick3518]

You misunderstand me. They've been a miserly team and I'm questioning whether they want to step up and pay all of their young guys. I'm just using their cap payroll as an indicator of their average payroll, to get rid of variations (ROR made 3.5 last year, 6.5 this year, but its one contract).

They will pay. Bringing in Talbot freed up a good chunk of cap space too. I think the core will remain. It's not a problem to have Stastny, O'Reilly, Duchene, Landeskog, Parenteau, Tanguay, McGinn, Talbot, MacKinnon, as part of the top 9. Stastny and O'Reilly shouldn't be too much of an issue to sign this off season (if not prior to).

 

[hattrick3518]

IIRC the minimum offer has to be $6.5 per or he becomes UFA, in which case someone will offer that or more. And in any case, its not just O'Reilly, the Avs are going to have to step up their payroll if they want to keep everyone and have more than a cheap-o defence. I think they'd be crazy not to pay up, but thus far they've been cheap and we'll see if that changes.

You are recalling wrong...

He can sign whatever he wants, whether its 5x5 or 6x6, etc... I don't see him holding out again. He will get paid, but its not going to be $7+ territory.

 

[major major]

You are recalling wrong...

He can sign whatever he wants, whether its 5x5 or 6x6, etc... I don't see him holding out again. He will get paid, but its not going to be $7+ territory.

These are the key words here. He might end up choosing to give up some salary, I don't know, but you are going to the bank very early on it.

 

[hattrick3518]

These are the key words here. He might end up choosing to give up some salary, I don't know, but you are going to the bank very early on it.

Very true. I don't know what will happen, he could pull the same stunt and sign an OS to go to another team. But with Roy & Sakic here now, I don't see him going that route again. He has been made the #1 LW on the team, and I think he likes that. I don't see him playing hard ball again. But he could.

I think Roy & Sakic are much more attractive to play for than Sacco and Sherman / Eric Lacroix

 

[EspenK]

Good point. But I still think a small trade makes the most sense.

Notwithstanding that they need defensmen and we have one or 2 NHL defensemen in surplus, I don't think we make good trading partners with Colorado, especially for any trade involving key pieces.

Colorado's a bit like us in the sense that "the future is now." Not sure they'd trade a guy like ROR/Stastny for pics/prospects. Same principle applies to us. And we can't add much salary without having to offload some of our own.

So any major trade will require something of substance going back. And does anybody here other than Robert think (at this time)this team needs a substantial shakeup? I don't see Kekalainen willing to do it.

Now if things go south in the next 10ish games before the trade deadline, that's a different story. Hopefully they don't.

Not sure what you mean by both teams being in a "future is now situation". While I'm sure both would like to win now, I think both are much more interested in being a strong team for many years to come than making the playoffs this year. For that reason I don't necessarily think Tyutin is a good fit for them but if they want him as part of a ROR deal, then I'd be okay with it.

I don't think the team needs a shakeup but if the opportunity presents itself to obtain a 30 goal young forward I don't see us passing on it because the current team isn't in need of a major shakeup.

 

[CapnCornelius]

Parenteau is the only availably one out of those two... So what is the offer?

Not much. Probably David Savard and Blake Comeau.

 

[Dr. Fire]

C'mon, we all know why they went to Colorado.






To get high!



Sorry, just wanted to throw a little humor in there.

 

[CB Joe]

IIRC the minimum offer has to be $6.5 per or he becomes UFA, in which case someone will offer that or more. And in any case, its not just O'Reilly, the Avs are going to have to step up their payroll if they want to keep everyone and have more than a cheap-o defence. I think they'd be crazy not to pay up, but thus far they've been cheap and we'll see if that changes.

They can still sign him for cheaper than his QO and can bring him to arbitration.

They don't need to up the payroll that much further. Stastny and O'Reilly won't make much more than they are making now. Duchene, Landeskog, and Johnson are under contract. Varlamov is the only one due for a big raise this season.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Not much. Probably David Savard and Blake Comeau.

I pass if thats the deal.

 

[CapnCornelius]

I pass if thats the deal.

Two spare parts, neither of which may be with the team next year. Not sure how much less you realistically think we can give.

 

[major major]

Two spare parts, neither of which may be with the team next year. Not sure how much less you realistically think we can give.

Why do we want Parenteau again?

 

[Cash for Nash]

Why do we want Parenteau again?

I have no idea.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Two spare parts, neither of which may be with the team next year. Not sure how much less you realistically think we can give.

Cap'n,....Agree both are expendable, but I give Savard a bit more due. Being part of a third pairing with plus numbers - granted a sometimes misleading stat - is a plus in my eyes.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Two spare parts, neither of which may be with the team next year. Not sure how much less you realistically think we can give.

Why do we want Parenteau again?

I have no idea.

My point exactly. I hardly call Savard a spare part with how well he has played this year and I certainly won't toss him off for another glorified 3rd liner. While Comeau is expendable after this season, he is a key force leading the team in hits this season.

Parenteau is not the game changer we need. We have enough players like him. I don't see where this deals helps Columbus at all. If Savard gets dealt, its for something better than Parenteau.

Additionally, Savard is 1 of 2 right handed shots the CBJ have on their blue line. Its not like he can be replaced that easily. This team has lacked quality right shot defenseman since day 1.

 

[Crisp Breakout]

My point exactly. I hardly call Savard a spare part with how well he has played this year and I certainly won't toss him off for another glorified 3rd liner. While Comeau is expendable after this season, he is a key force leading the team in hits this season.

Parenteau is not the game changer we need. We have enough players like him. I don't see where this deals helps Columbus at all. If Savard gets dealt, its for something better than Parenteau.

Additionally, Savard is 1 of 2 right handed shots the CBJ have on their blue line. Its not like he can be replaced that easily. This team has lacked quality right shot defenseman since day 1.

I'm genuinely curious as to which players you think are like Parenteau on your team. The last Jacket I can remember similar to PAP might be Huselius circa 09-10.

 

[major major]

I'm genuinely curious as to which players you think are like Parenteau on your team. The last Jacket I can remember similar to PAP might be Huselius circa 09-10.

I don't think he was saying we have a lot of players who have Parenteau's style of play. We have a lot of players who could be considered second liners.

 

[MoeBartoli]

I don't think he was saying we have a lot of players who have Parenteau's style of play. We have a lot of players who could be considered second liners.

I thought that too. I am convinced that the real need for this team is a true sniper who is a legitimate high-power first liner. Short of that there's not a lot of reason to make trades.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I'm genuinely curious as to which players you think are like Parenteau on your team. The last Jacket I can remember similar to PAP might be Huselius circa 09-10.

I do not consider Parenteau a legitimate top 6 player. If Columbus knows anything, they know 3rd liners.

 

[Nanabijou]

I thought that too. I am convinced that the real need for this team is a true sniper who is a legitimate high-power first liner. Short of that there's not a lot of reason to make trades.

Sounds like we need a player like a healthy Gaborik.