Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/LAK/PHI] Provorov (30% retain by LAK) to CBJ; Walker, Grans, Petersen, '23 LAK 1st, '24 LAK 2nd, '24 CBJ 2nd to PHI; Connauton, Hodgson to LAK

[William H Bonney]

Yes but they got less than market value. Chicago and now Philadelphia are taking less than Arizona has traditionally for this type of cash. It was bound to happen as more players entered the game.

Or perhaps the market wasn't as keen on Provorov as some would like to believe?

 

[Osprey]

Sorry @Sol. I knew it was one of our regular contributors and posters. Thought it was you. My bad.

You should be sorry for confusing him for Kurrilino. You'll be lucky if Sol forgives you for that.

 

[bossram]

You can’t be serious?

So if a single move doesn’t make you a playoff team you shouldn’t do it?

What if they still make other moves? They have plenty of cap space available, but if they didn’t make this move according to you they couldn ’t have made those moves either.

I don’t understand why the goal should be a basement level team for years teaching their future core players a losing culture



I expect that will get an answer in the next 12-24 months.

If they don't solve the goaltending issue in the next 3 months, there is no chance of significant improvement.

Like I said, a team like Buffalo this makes more sense for. They already improved and are at a phase where playoffs are the natural next step.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

That's a master class by Danny B on maximizing your assets.

I don't think anyone got taken, but by doing it this way I think PHI gets way more value than a hockey trade or 1 for 1 prospect.

Feel good on Briere’s first trade. After seeing what Fletcher did to this organization it’s a good start to rebuilding the right way

 

[Docgonzo]

I was laughed at by Kings fans for saying it would take at least 2 1sts to dump Petersen with 0 retention. Most Kings fans believed Blake when he said he would be on their NHL club next season and that the Kings don't want or need to dump him especially if it costs more than a 2nd LOL.

Kings just paid Sean Walker (Kings fans wanted a late 1st or 2nd+3rd for him) + Helge Grans (2nd round pick) + a 2nd round pick to dump him at 3M (retained 2.025 for 2 years on Provorov which would be the same as retaining 2.025M on Petersen's contract).

Thats essentially a 1st + 2x 2nd round pick value to dump 2.975M for 2 years of Petersen.

They must be seething right now

What Kings fan said they wanted a 1st or 2nd + 3rd for Walker?? That’s what we hope we get for trading Durzi. Walker was basically for future considerations at this point just to clear cap and a roster spot.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I like this deal for the Flyers even though they are taking on Peterson.

Flyers recouped some draft capital while grabbing a RHD prospect that happens to be what the Flyers need.

 

[Mr Positive]

Good by Columbus. Provorov is a #1D man who had a down year, on and off the ice.

Plus Columbus will get a huge boost if Werenski comes back healthy.

 

[biturbo19]

CBJ traded the 22nd pick.

Sure. But they got that for a pair of guys they were gonna lose anyway. It's not nothing, but it's awfully close to "free value" as far as i'm concerned. When you can turn around and use that to completely replace the guy you were losing as a UFA (and actually upgrade slightly)...that's terrific asset management and "value".

It's not like it was their own pick they gave up.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I mean you know how it works in Columbus, our PP will suck again and Babcock will shuffle the units. If Provorov proves to be producing as a PP QB, so be it

Did you see that Philadelphia PP the last 2 seasons? Provorov was terrible on the PP and they couldn’t take him off or he would have had a pisser. Guy is a diva. Glad he’s gone.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Philadelphia got a lot.

Columbus being aggressive, I think Babcock is a good coach for a player like Provorov.

LA paid a lot to dump Petersen

 

[biturbo19]

Good by Columbus. Provorov is a #1D man who had a down year, on and off the ice.

Plus Columbus will get a huge boost if Werenski comes back healthy.

Now they just need to make a deal with Calgary for Hanifin, and they'll have the complete set from the top of that draft year. lol.

Funny thinking back to all the various "Werenski vs Provorov" polls that swapped around over the years. Columbus like..."Why not both???"

 

[MMC]

People saying Provorov has off-ice issues seem to really be projecting, I really don't think his incident is anything that's considered a real "issue" by league personnel

 

[biturbo19]

Philadelphia got a lot.

Columbus being aggressive, I think Babcock is a good coach for a player like Provorov.

LA paid a lot to dump Petersen

Yeah. I could actually see that being a really good fit with Babcock and Provorov. Should have them playing with lots of structure and should keep Provorov within his limits in the system. Not sure that will translate to a ton of points per se, with Werenski likely soaking up most of that when he's back. But i think we could see a real stabilization in Provorov's game. He's seemed to play his best hockey generally under pretty "structured" coaches with clear expectations and a clear system for their defence corps to work within.


It seems to be when Provorov starts to freelance, that he can get a little bit outside of himself and look a bit unsteady.

 

[funky]

Philadelphia got a lot.

Columbus being aggressive, I think Babcock is a good coach for a player like Provorov.

LA paid a lot to dump Petersen

I would pay Grans and a 2nd any day of the week to dump Peterson and Walker and get their 7.65 mil minus the 2 mil retained on Provorov

Ahead of Grans is Doughty, Roy, Clarke, Spence and Durzi on the right point. Traded from a position of strength.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Good by Columbus. Provorov is a #1D man who had a down year, on and off the ice.

Plus Columbus will get a huge boost if Werenski comes back healthy.

Provorov is a #2 or #3 defenseman who had three straight down years and seemingly had his confidence/development/sense of entitlement stunted by being used like an elite #1. He's a good hockey player when he stays out of his own way.

 

[Viqsi]

People saying Provorov has off-ice issues seem to really be projecting, I really don't think his incident is anything that's considered a real "issue" by league personnel

If they're ignoring it, they're kind of not doing their job and alienating quite a few customers in the bargain.

I mean, you can possibly make a case for it not being a major or automatically disqualifying issue, but saying it isn't a "real issue" is going a bit too far.

 

[WarriorofTime]

If they're ignoring it, they're kind of not doing their job and alienating quite a few customers in the bargain.

I mean, you can possibly make a case for it not being a major or automatically disqualifying issue, but saying it isn't a "real issue" is going a bit too far.

Outside forces raising a fuss isn't much of an issue. The thing about it too is that it turned out Provorov wasn't alone, a bunch of other players followed suit followed by teams cancelling it to avoid players following suit. I'm guessing the whole thing is going to be scrapped next year, which is probably for the best. If individual players choose to express support, that probably carries more weight than forcing everyone to put it on to show their acceptance in the first place.

 

[Viqsi]

Outside forces raising a fuss isn't much of an issue. The thing about it too is that it turned out Provorov wasn't alone, a bunch of other players followed suit followed by teams cancelling it to avoid players following suit. I'm guessing the whole thing is going to be scrapped next year, which is probably for the best. If individual players choose to express support, that probably carries more weight than forcing everyone to put it on to show their acceptance in the first place.

The thing is, it's a lot easier to express support when you're not alone. So many of those guys followed suit because Provorov started the trend. It'd be nice to believe that someone could start a similar trend of showing said support, but those sorts of things tend to be stomped on rather than followed.

 

[Divine]

Ignoring the trade itself, isn't it unfair for teams to be allowed to trade players while the playoffs are still going on?

If, hypothetically, Vegas wanted Provorov - what are they supposed to do? They can't trade a player on their active roster while they're in the SCF.

 

[Rich Nixon]

People saying Provorov has off-ice issues seem to really be projecting, I really don't think his incident is anything that's considered a real "issue" by league personnel

No, that's been a thing for a while. His "incident" was a symptom of the bigger thing, it wasn't a thing unto itself. There have been murmurs about his attitude for years. He makes some really, really laughable mistakes. Stuff that gets coached out of you in house league. It screams lack of focus and/or interest, not lack of talent.

Highly dependent on a good partner. Did great with Gostisbehere, did great with Niskanen, pretty bad otherwise. Fletcher, the idiot he is, made multiple trades to try to find a RD partner that would work with him. Ended up with Risto and DeAngelo (because Fletcher). Provorov himself refuses to play the right side. Played his best stretch this season paired with another LD, Cam York, who as a rookie ended up playing 20 minutes a night on his off side since Provorov is unwilling.

The week before the Pride Night incident, Friedman reported the Flyers were looking to trade him. This was written after Friedman reported that, literally the day before the Pride game:

This Provorov report, as noted, didn’t come out of nowhere. Speculation regarding Provorov’s availability dates back to last season, with the defenseman in the midst of a second straight underwhelming season.

In short, Provorov didn’t believe the criticism he received was warranted...Provorov felt that criticism of his individual mistakes was missing the forest for the trees.

The problem was that Provorov’s attitude when it came to criticism didn’t exactly play well in the room. After all, Provorov was making mistakes, even if in his mind they were more the result of team-wide issues.

The season before, when he was also bad, this was Provorov's statement at his year-end press conference:

"No matter what I say, you guys are going to give me your own grades," Provorov said. "It doesn’t matter, you’re all experts in hockey, so you’re going to give me all your super experienced grades. I don’t think my opinion really matters to you guys."

Did he feel the media was too hard on him this year?

"No, I don't need anyone to write glory stories on me," Provorov said. "You all have an opinion. I have my opinion. So, yeah."

If he's blowing the doors off, he gets a pass to do the Salty Draisatl routine. But he just legitimately plays poor hockey and refuses any criticism or accountability. By most accounts, he was not really well-liked in the room because of how he carried himself.

He's indestructible, competent, and will play as many minutes as you feed him. But he's just been a disengaged mistake and turnover factory for the last 3 years. He needed a change of scenery pretty badly, and hopefully for CBJ fans he turns it around there.

 

[Voight]

When I first saw this I thought it was CBJs first, then I said Jarmo cant be that stupid.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I would pay Grans and a 2nd any day of the week to dump Peterson and Walker and get their 7.65 mil minus the 2 mil retained on Provorov

Ahead of Grans is Doughty, Roy, Clarke, Spence and Durzi on the right point. Traded from a position of strength.

LA has bigger aspirations than the Flyers do. The Flyers are going to be bad for at least 2 years. Peterson helps the tank. Grans is a good prospect who will help fill a depleted pool after Fletcher destroyed everything

 

[Voight]

LFG!! Briere fleeces!!

Pick 22 and 34 combined is the same value as a pick at 8 or 9. Amazing deal for Briere

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

In Columbus we knew the 22nd pick was likely to be moved for defensive help now. I was just hoping it would be moved for at least a second pair caliber guy, so getting a player like this seems like a no-brainer. I don’t think we need Provorov to be a #1, and that seems like the biggest criticisms I’ve seen.

For the 22nd pick in 2023 and 64th pick in 2025, it seems like a reasonable price to pay to add a legitimate top 4 key player.

 

[Viqsi]

Ignoring the trade itself, isn't it unfair for teams to be allowed to trade players while the playoffs are still going on?

If, hypothetically, Vegas wanted Provorov - what are they supposed to do? They can't trade a player on their active roster while they're in the SCF.

I'm sure they're adequately compensated by playing for the Cup.