Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/LAK/PHI] Provorov (30% retain by LAK) to CBJ; Walker, Grans, Petersen, '23 LAK 1st, '24 LAK 2nd, '24 CBJ 2nd to PHI; Connauton, Hodgson to LAK

[Bruce Granville]

CBJ traded the 22nd pick.

He supposes already…

 

[Scouter]

He will be 24 when season starts. 2 years SHL, 1 yr AHL, 12 NHL games.

got to start playing before he gets too old…

they will play him, pretty sure of that, with or without Hart as they are not looking to compete now.

Nah, goalies should and come into the NHL when they are ready no matter what the age, they all take a different path, they won't play him if the team isn't good, they might bury Petersen in the minors since he has a big contract too, the avg. age for a goalie starting to play in the NHL is probably 26.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Looks bad for Kings from my initial look at the pieces.

 

[Flybynite]

When you break it out like this, it looks like a steal for CBJ to me. They basically give up a 2nd round pick and some AHL depth for a solid Top-4D? That's a steal imo.

Kings are basically coughing up most of the value in this deal, and doing so just to dump Petersen. While even retaining on Provorov to make his contract even more attractive.

Funny that in today's flat cap NHL, it continues to be more expensive to dump bad contracts, than it is to acquire solid players (if you have cap space for them).

The Kings 1st rounder (#22) was actually owned by Columbus already. It was part of the Jonathan Quick trade to Columbus near the deadline. Columbus then re-traded Quick to Vegas the next day.

Kings owed Columbus a conditional 1st if they made the playoffs. Which they did.

So Columbus gave up #22 overall, and a future 2nd rounder (to be delivered in either 2024 or if Columbus decides to keep it, then 2025)

 

[Channelcat]

I like where CBJ are going.

 

[abo9]

I'd argue that's a terrible outcome. It would mean their goal of making the playoffs clearly failed, and they punted assets while delaying their turn-around. The Romanov deal was awful (and I said so at the time). No comparison to this.

You can look at a team like Buffalo that improved organically. I think they are more the template of a team ready to start "buying" to get in the playoffs and potentially contend.

You seem to think that the 22n oa pick is gonna be the thing turning their franchise around... but the players in that range likely cap at Provorov's level.

Why wait? They have Laine, Gaudreau, Werenski - young players like Sillinger, Johnson, Boqvist. Wait for the good players they have to leave?

Why let Buffalo make the move? Improve your own team, let the others figure out themselves.

Idk, I respect their approach more than... continue to lose and hope for the best!

 

[Marioesque]

I like where CBJ are going.

If you have figured that out, let me know too

 

[BB88]

Yeah, but is adding Provorov (who I don't think is that good) going to make CBJ a playoff team? Otherwise, what's the point? Could just save the assets and make a move when they're farther down the line and ready to compete, more like where Buffalo is now.

You can’t be serious?

So if a single move doesn’t make you a playoff team you shouldn’t do it?

What if they still make other moves? They have plenty of cap space available, but if they didn’t make this move according to you they couldn ’t have made those moves either.

I don’t understand why the goal should be a basement level team for years teaching their future core players a losing culture

Who plays in nets?

I expect that will get an answer in the next 12-24 months.

 

[Kimota]

Jesus Christ, how many things are Columbus giving in this?

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

Jesus Christ, how many things are Columbus giving in this?

All told?

A whole lot of could for a whole lot of can.

 

[JRichard]

Nah, goalies should and come into the NHL when they are ready no matter what the age, they all take a different path, they won't play him if the team isn't good, they might bury Petersen in the minors since he has a big contract too, the avg. age for a goalie starting to play in the NHL is probably 26.

Rookie goalies average age is 26?
Seems high.
Trying to confirm but seems wrong.

Edit: according to nhl.com, average age of nhl rookies who played at least 10 games is a little over 23. None over 26 so avg age cant obviously be 26. 2 were 22, 4 23, 4 24…

 

[Cook24]

Looks bad for Kings from my initial look at the pieces.

Got rid of a lot of dead weight. Created a lot of cap. Lost Grans which doesn’t matter because of RHD depth, and a 2nd. The 2nd hurts but it allows us to re-sign Gavrikov. This is a win in kings fans eyes…

 

[Kimota]

Nice first move for Danny Briere, don't really love it for CBJ or LAK. Least Blake got Petersen's deal off the books because yeah, that one was ugly.

Hopefully it spells that he's ready for a rebuild.

 

[Ice9]

Well, then he's doomed to fail here. He's not going to be top pair or PP in Columbus with Werenski at 1LD and Boqvist on PP1 and Jiricek ostensibly NHL-ready.

He will when Werenski goes on IR yet again...

 

[Osprey]

Blake traded his 1st this year for Gavrikov and then somehow traded it again to dump Petersen in order to re-sign Gavrikov. Amazing.

Seriously, maybe "'23 LAK 1st" in the thread title should be changed to '23 CBJ 1st (from LA)" for clarity, since it seems to be confusing a lot of people (including me, at first).

 

[William H Bonney]

How exactly is he not very good ? He was not very good in a terrible team, most d men would look horrible in a team with no working system. He was very good during better Flyers years to a point where he was considered a borderline 1D

Hence why I said "consistently realize his potential." He hasn't been very good in a few seasons. Maybe the change of scenery helps him recover his game but his play has been on a downward trajectory for awhile, and it seems like he has attitude issues to boot. Not a good recipe.

Even at 30% retained, Peterson easily wipes out the value of Grans and the 2nd. Walker and a very late 1st for Provorov is okayish.

Not really. They have cap space and they're rebuilding. By the time they need the cap space Petersen will be off the books and they'll still have the assets they acquired to take on a temporary bill.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Thanks! He was the main question mark I had regarding value (and to a lower extent Walker). I get that their RD situation might be overloaded, but youd think that they'd get more value out of a solid prospect than gaining a few M of cap space.

I agree it seems like LA got the least out of the 3 teams, especially since they're retaining on Provorov ( why ???).

Before the trade LA only had about $7.5m to sign Vilardi, Kupari, Bjornfot, JAD, and resign Gavrikov or a Top4 LHD UFA. The retention on Provorov actually doesn't hurt the Kings. Moving Petersen and Walker cleared $7.65m then subtract the $2m on Provorov and you're looking around $5.6m open cap to the $7.5m already they had to total $13.1m to use.

Give Gavrikov 2years $5.7m and that leaves $7.4m for the same guys you originally had to sign and a cheap 1A/1B goalie. Now LA has plenty of space to sign their guys and keep the team together and all they gave up was a 2nd and a B-level prospect that had no hope of making the Kings before his waiver eligibility ran out. Easy win for LA.

 

[rt]

Hence why I said "consistently realize his potential." He hasn't been very good in a few seasons. Maybe the change of scenery helps him recover his game but his play has been on a downward trajectory for awhile, and it seems like he has attitude issues to boot. Not a good recipe.



Not really. They have cap space and they're rebuilding. By the time they need the cap space Petersen will be off the books and they'll still have the assets they acquired to take on a temporary bill.

Yes but they got less than market value. Chicago and now Philadelphia are taking less than Arizona has traditionally for this type of cash. It was bound to happen as more players entered the game.

 

[Viqsi]

Povorov will fit right in in the middle of the bible belt.

Awkward for him because he isn't there now either.

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I mean you know how it works in Columbus, our PP will suck again and Babcock will shuffle the units. If Provorov proves to be producing as a PP QB, so be it

I won't be holding my breath.

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Is Columbus pushing their chips in here?

Not really. A Gavrikov replacement - a solid LD to play behind Werenski on the second pair - was always something we were going to want so that the kids can be eased in rather than rushed. We just happen to be further along in the rebuild process than most assume because nobody really noticed - or remembered noticing - our prior steps through that process up until we became a Bedard contender.

 

[funky]

Who was I obsessed with? I don’t care about Grans and Walker. What are you talking about? My only anger is not with this trade in particular but the pattern of our recent trades. Blake has become far too reactionary and is making moves to save his ass. The kings are trading picks like candy and have nothing to show for it. That’s a huge problem. The Kings have won 6 play off games since the cup win. Now they are trading picks in a deep draft for issues created by Blake. The trade is fine but this takes the Kings no where yet again. Maybe you’re just obsessed with mediocrity.

Sorry @Sol. I knew it was one of our regular contributors and posters. Thought it was you. My bad.

On the good side of things, the draft is no longer considered deep as it once was. We still have the third round pick from Pittsburgh I believe and I think Blake is going to get rid of two more players that might restock some picks such as Arvidson and Durzi.

 

[Canadienna]

That's a master class by Danny B on maximizing your assets.

I don't think anyone got taken, but by doing it this way I think PHI gets way more value than a hockey trade or 1 for 1 prospect.

 

[TheBeard]

Awkward for him because he isn't there now either.

Eh... Columbus is close enough.

 

[Flukeshot]

The Briere Era begins with a pretty shrewd move. I was a fan of Provorov's on ice game and still felt like he could be part of the solution long term, but given the circumstances this feels like good value.

I'll be curious to see if Walker or Peterson can return some value at the 2025 trade deadline or earlier.

 

[Viqsi]

Eh... Columbus is close enough.

The Canadian border is closer.

 

[Melrose Munch]

seems decent but let's see what happens.

seems pretty even.