Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/LAK/PHI] Provorov (30% retain by LAK) to CBJ; Walker, Grans, Petersen, '23 LAK 1st, '24 LAK 2nd, '24 CBJ 2nd to PHI; Connauton, Hodgson to LAK

[Bounces R Way]

Nice first move for Danny Briere, don't really love it for CBJ or LAK. Least Blake got Petersen's deal off the books because yeah, that one was ugly.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Walker was a cap dump

You forgot to add the 2.65 of Walkers contract to that total. Another salary we had to dump and we have Clarke, Durzi and Spence fighting to take Walkers spot.

Yeah, people seem to not realize Walker is an expensive and mediocre #6/7

Overall, with this trade the Kings opened up nearly $5.5M this offseason and $3M next offseason.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Finally starting a rebuild 3 years later than they should have? Ditching a mediocre defenseman for some decent picks in a deep draft?

The picks hadn’t been announced for a while after the main pieces were announced. It looks much better now, Cap’n Sensitive.

 

[bossram]

At this point, Columbus has a lot of prospects and in need of actual roster players.

As it’s now obvious Gavrikov is not returning, Columbus had a serious hole in LHD top 4 and Provorov will perfectly slot there.

As for the pick, our main pick is at #3.

Yeah, but is adding Provorov (who I don't think is that good) going to make CBJ a playoff team? Otherwise, what's the point? Could just save the assets and make a move when they're farther down the line and ready to compete, more like where Buffalo is now.

 

[Telos]

It is an interesting trade. Something had to be done about the log jams and the cap situation on the roster. Walker was as good as gone and Grans was never going to make the Kings roster so it makes sense to get rid of our two worst contracts. For LA, it really just depends on what they do with the cap space. If they re-sign Gavrikov and Korpisalo while getting their RFA's locked up they will look good entering next year with Spence and Clarke ready to join the team, but if both walk and the Kings don't replace them with anything then that would change things.

 

[Gstank]

Seems like LA gave up a lot for just cap space. I wonder if Philly flips some of those piece for players

 

[rt]

Is Philly also getting multiple 1st round picks for this?

Close. A 1st and the equivalent of a couple of 2nds.

 

[TheBeard]

This shows you literally know nothing about their roster.

They were one of the most injured teams last year, basically half the roster was from the AHL, Werenski their 1D missed the entire season, Voracek basically missed the entire season and so on.
No young rebuilding can survive the amount of injuries they had and look good.

Another main weakness was coaching, it was really abysmal last year.

Prospect pool/their potential

3rd overall= potential franchise 1C
Johnson= 1C
Voronkov= top9 C
Sillinger= top9 C

Marchenko= top6 Rw
Dumais= Top6 W

Jiricek= Franchise 1D
Mateychuk= top4 D
Svozil= top4 D

Then add Gaudreau, Laine, Werenski into the mix

So yeah they should be done with drafting part after picking 3rd overall and start adding players that can play.

Why on earth with their prospect pool+ Werenski/Laine/Gaudreau should Columbus go for full fire sale rebuild instead?

Their new core will be build around Carlsson/Jiricek/Johnson

Who plays in nets?

 

[GKJ]

Provorov was miserable here, that alone should make him a materially better player, unless his attitude issues is really how he is, which is very possible. He isn't likely to respond well to Babcock challenging him. It was malfeasance on Fletcher's part to not have traded him sooner, allowing things for fester, even though it would not have returned the value he did here (due in part to Briere's willingness to take on cap dumps), although it also would not have been the package he would've been looking for.

 

[rt]

This is a monumental haul for Philly. Provorov is not very good and while there's a chance he turns the corner to consistently realize his potential, it's not likely that he does so at this point.

Even at 30% retained, Peterson easily wipes out the value of Grans and the 2nd. Walker and a very late 1st for Provorov is okayish.

 

[Crede777]

stay the course seems like the best option. building team through free agency and trades can work but its a hard road.

Staying the course means finishing higher than they did this past season.

Putting Provorov on the 2nd pairing helps with that.

 

[rt]

EDIT: didn’t realize it was two 2nds along with Grans and the 1st. Tidy bit of business.

 

[absolute garbage]

Cal Petersen in the minors would have been a 3.885m x 2 cap hit. Provorov at 30% gives them a 2.025m x 2 cap hit. To shrink that cap they gave up:

• 2024 2nd rounder
• Sean Walker
• Helge Grans

Seems like a lot to me.

Yeah, I was thinking about this too. That's a fairly big price to pay for a pretty small cap relief in the end: ~1.85M x 2.

 

[ViD]

Yeah, but is adding Provorov (who I don't think is that good) going to make CBJ a playoff team? Otherwise, what's the point? Could just save the assets and make a move when they're farther down the line and ready to compete, more like where Buffalo is now.

He will help. We didn’t sign Johnny Hockey to keep rebuilding for many years, the plan is to compete for a play off spot this upcoming season or the season after that

 

[abo9]

I like the deal for 2 of the 3 parties involved.

LA had to find a way to clear cap, and they managed to ship out their two pure cap anchors (Petersen and Walker) for a 2nd and Helge Grans essentially.

Pure rebuilding-style move for Philly, so it makes sense what they've done.

I personally don't think Provorov is that good. His reputation is that of a top-pair player, but IMO he's more of a 2nd pair guy. So I think CBJ paid a lot for that kind of player. Is adding Provorov supposed to make CBJ good? I get that they'll be healthier, but they have a looooot of ground to make up to get to the playoffs. This is more the kind of move I would picture a team like Buffalo making - who is ready to enter the "competing" phase.

I'd argue that it's a low risk move for Columbus. We've seen 3rd pairing defenseman like Savard, Chiarot be moved for 1st rounders at the TDL. If Provorov is indeed a 2nd pairing defenseman, Columbus can recoup assets in a year if they like.

It's not like they gave out much for him, the value of a 1st and 2nd isn't that of a top pairing defenseman lol. Alex Romanov was traded for a 13 OA pick after all.

So why wouldn't Columbus make that move? How are they gonna stop being "bad" if they never make move to get better? It makes them slightly better, and they can now pursuit other pieces to improve their team.

 

[Beerz]

Provorov getting traded during pride month is the ultimate lol. It was reported that a lot of people were buying his jersey. I guess they probably aren't too happy about this trade

There's always one..

 

[ViD]

This is a monumental haul for Philly. Provorov is not very good and while there's a chance he turns the corner to consistently realize his potential, it's not likely that he does so at this point.

How exactly is he not very good ? He was not very good in a terrible team, most d men would look horrible in a team with no working system. He was very good during better Flyers years to a point where he was considered a borderline 1D

 

[SnS]

1st and a 2nd, or the 30% is basically what would cost to dump Petersen. Like you said, Petersen sucks so I guess that's a hidden positive.

Walker isn't very good.

Helge Grans... potential.

2 2nds.

I think Provorov is a solid dman who should have garnered a 1st, 2nd and a player like Walker, or just a 1st and Grans on his own.

Unless his value changed because of his actions, I feel like the Flyers could have done better.

At first i saw the Flyers also got the Jackets 2nd, which is "pretty much" a 1st, but then saw it was a conditional 2nd from LA.


On a different boat.

While I was on Twitter because they place folds at the slightest amount of attention I saw two different advanced stats people say opposite things about Provy.

I think it’s a great trade personally for the Flyers and I’ve been a huge shit on the flyers type lately.

Walker is roster filler for hopefully trading another defender.

Peterson will command the tank (as he should).

I can’t be too upset about this.

 

[SnS]

How exactly is he not very good ? He was not very good in a terrible team, most d men would look horrible in a team with no working system. He was very good during better Flyers years to a point where he was considered a borderline 1D

He’s a major primadonna.

He won’t play on the right side and he bitches a fit if he’s not on the top power play or top pair.

 

[funky]

L.A still has to move out one of Arvidsson, Iafallo or Moore as they are all overstocked with redundant forwards. If it’s Arvidsson I would expect to recoup some picks.

We clear up an NHL spot for a prospect on Defense that we’ll be a league minimum contract and arguably a better player then Spence.

We clear out a goaltending issue. Remember we aquired Portillo from Buffalo and he will split time in the AHL now.

Gained 5.5 mil in cap space.

Lost a 2nd rounder and a meh prospect from a position of strength.

I think some people think we have away the 1st in this trade as well which makes things look worse. He might not realize that first was given away at the trade deadline and it was Columbus. I gave away the first in the trade today.

 

[ViD]

He’s a major primadonna.

He won’t play on the right side and he bitches a fit if he’s not on the top power play or top pair.

I thought he got along with Torts who defended him a few times ?

We got Babcock to sort it out. Besides, I don’t expect him to be forced to play on the right side, he will likely play left side on the second pair.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I think it’s a great trade personally for the Flyers and I’ve been a huge shit on the flyers type lately.

Walker is roster filler for hopefully trading another defender.

Peterson will command the tank (as he should).

I can’t be too upset about this.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad deal. Just feels like there could have been more.

At least the flyers seem to be properly rebuilding

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

I’m a blue jackets fan. Tell me how to feel. I don’t know anything.

 

[biturbo19]

How silly,

Why didn't they just keep Gavrikov?

Contract situations? Whether Gavrikov wanted to be there anymore at a reasonable salary? Provorov also has a fair bit more offensive upside.



Kind of a wild trade out of left field though. In the middle of the Stanley Cup Finals. Weird to see the Kings retaining on a defenceman they could probably use themselves...but that indicates to me that they are expecting to get Gavrikov locked up. Probably mostly with the money they save by unloading Petersen.


Usually don't see teams announcing big trades like this until the Finals are over though. Out of "respect" or whatever. Not stealing the attention from the teams still playing. But maybe they watched that last game and figured...the Finals basically are all but over.

 

[Coffee]

How silly,

Why didn't they just keep Gavrikov?

You were saying?