Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/LAK/PHI] Provorov (30% retain by LAK) to CBJ; Walker, Grans, Petersen, '23 LAK 1st, '24 LAK 2nd, '24 CBJ 2nd to PHI; Connauton, Hodgson to LAK

[dugg133]

Honestly great work from Brierre on this trade, good haul for the flyers.

 

[Ainsy01]

I was laughed at by Kings fans for saying it would take at least 2 1sts to dump Petersen with 0 retention. Most Kings fans believed Blake when he said he would be on their NHL club next season and that the Kings don't want or need to dump him especially if it costs more than a 2nd LOL.

Kings just paid Sean Walker (Kings fans wanted a late 1st or 2nd+3rd for him) + Helge Grans (2nd round pick) + a 2nd round pick to dump him at 3M (retained 2.025 for 2 years on Provorov which would be the same as retaining 2.025M on Petersen's contract).

Thats essentially a 1st + 2x 2nd round pick value to dump 2.975M for 2 years of Petersen.

They must be seething right now

That seems so bad for LA. Why? Kopitars 10 mill comes off the books shortly and they dont appear to be in a terrible cap situation

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Cal Petersen in the minors would have been a 3.885m x 2 cap hit. Provorov at 30% gives them a 2.025m x 2 cap hit. To shrink that cap they gave up:

• 2024 2nd rounder
• Sean Walker
• Helge Grans

Seems like a lot to me.

 

[Ainsy01]

I was laughed at by Kings fans for saying it would take at least 2 1sts to dump Petersen with 0 retention. Most Kings fans believed Blake when he said he would be on their NHL club next season and that the Kings don't want or need to dump him especially if it costs more than a 2nd LOL.

Kings just paid Sean Walker (Kings fans wanted a late 1st or 2nd+3rd for him) + Helge Grans (2nd round pick) + a 2nd round pick to dump him at 3M (retained 2.025 for 2 years on Provorov which would be the same as retaining 2.025M on Petersen's contract).

Thats essentially a 1st + 2x 2nd round pick value to dump 2.975M for 2 years of Petersen.

They must be seething right now

That seems so bad for LA. Why? Kopitars 10 mill comes off the books shortly and they dont appear to be in a terrible cap situation

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

How is it bad? I’m genuinely curious.
Flyers got 3 picks (1 conditional), a young D. A roster filler and a tank commander.

1st and a 2nd, or the 30% is basically what would cost to dump Petersen. Like you said, Petersen sucks so I guess that's a hidden positive.

Walker isn't very good.

Helge Grans... potential.

2 2nds.

I think Provorov is a solid dman who should have garnered a 1st, 2nd and a player like Walker, or just a 1st and Grans on his own.

Unless his value changed because of his actions, I feel like the Flyers could have done better.

At first i saw the Flyers also got the Jackets 2nd, which is "pretty much" a 1st, but then saw it was a conditional 2nd from LA.


On a different boat.

While I was on Twitter because they place folds at the slightest amount of attention I saw two different advanced stats people say opposite things about Provy.

 

[SnS]

Different ownership and Gm factored into it. The old boys club thought we were a move or two away from the cup.

While true, they started their tank a year too late. Especially if they're trading Carter Hart. He may have been the difference between 8th and catching Montreal possibly

 

[TheBeard]

Different ownership and Gm factored into it. The old boys club thought we were a move or two away from the cup.

Fair assessment. It's always worse to start your rebuild a year too late rather than a year too early but at least they didn't hold onto Giroux.

 

[tny760]

That seems so bad for LA. Why? Kopitars 10 mill comes off the books shortly and they dont appear to be in a terrible cap situation

cap had to be shed this offseason otherwise korpisalo and gavrikov would both walk and that would make the trade very ugly for blake, trading a 1st to win what, 1 more game in the playoffs and still make a 1st round exit..

vilardi needs a contract too and that space wouldn't be there without cap shed

 

[GKJ]

Well, one thing is clear, unlike Fletcher, the whole league isn't taking Briere by the ball and making him thank them for it.

 

[William H Bonney]

This is a monumental haul for Philly. Provorov is not very good and while there's a chance he turns the corner to consistently realize his potential, it's not likely that he does so at this point.

 

[bossram]

Seems like a win-win-win to me?

Not sure about the pieces on LA side, but Petersen has been bad the last 2 years, Grans - is he any good? - and Walker... is he really that good?

Seems to me like they just got rid of 5.6M in cap for a 2nd round pick (the other picks were from CBJ).

I also thought that the Flyers were making out like bandits upon seeing the trade, but Provorov is a legit top 4 defenseman., A 1st (22oa) and 2x2nds is about a bit above the price of D rental at the deadline. And they take back Petersen and his contract, Walker and Grans - a lot of pieces here. Maybe Petersen figures it out, maybe Grans becomes a staple on their blueline. Shoot a lot of darts and some might hit.

Columbus got that top 4 D, retained on top of that, for a 1st and a 2nd? They can flip him 50% retain for at worst the same price at next year's TDL. In the meantime, he'll help their D.

I like the deal for 2 of the 3 parties involved.

LA had to find a way to clear cap, and they managed to ship out their two pure cap anchors (Petersen and Walker) for a 2nd and Helge Grans essentially.

Pure rebuilding-style move for Philly, so it makes sense what they've done.

I personally don't think Provorov is that good. His reputation is that of a top-pair player, but IMO he's more of a 2nd pair guy. So I think CBJ paid a lot for that kind of player. Is adding Provorov supposed to make CBJ good? I get that they'll be healthier, but they have a looooot of ground to make up to get to the playoffs. This is more the kind of move I would picture a team like Buffalo making - who is ready to enter the "competing" phase.

 

[StephenPeat]

Columbus had pick #22 from Gavrikov trade

This is a surprisingly important bit of information that also skipped my mind. I initially thought Holy Crap that’s horrible for LA but this makes it slightly better. I can see how people got confused so Thank You for clarifying.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Good deal for philly. bad deal for Columbus, Provorov will not be a fit there at all.
Okay deal for LA as they paid less than 2 firsts to dump Petersen and Walker but its still a lot though.

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

Columbus did well here value wise unless provorov has really fallen off a cliff.

Provorov certainly dropped, but I think he can rebound. It must have been tough playing under that regime of complete imbeciles who didn't have a clue what they were doing.

Sadly, some still remain.

 

[UnSandvich]

Steep overpay. Provorov's not as overrated as Ristolainen, but he's really not been good for a while

 

[BB88]

columbus just finished 30th in the league and their rebuilding through the draft should be over?

cant say i agree with that take.

This shows you literally know nothing about their roster.

They were one of the most injured teams last year, basically half the roster was from the AHL, Werenski their 1D missed the entire season, Voracek basically missed the entire season and so on.
No young rebuilding can survive the amount of injuries they had and look good.

Another main weakness was coaching, it was really abysmal last year.

Prospect pool/their potential

3rd overall= potential franchise 1C
Johnson= 1C
Voronkov= top9 C
Sillinger= top9 C

Marchenko= top6 Rw
Dumais= Top6 W

Jiricek= Franchise 1D
Mateychuk= top4 D
Svozil= top4 D

Then add Gaudreau, Laine, Werenski into the mix

So yeah they should be done with drafting part after picking 3rd overall and start adding players that can play.

Why on earth with their prospect pool+ Werenski/Laine/Gaudreau should Columbus go for full fire sale rebuild instead?

Their new core will be build around Carlsson/Jiricek/Johnson

 

[le_sean]

Lol Jarmo is a lot dumber than I thought

 

[dirtydanglez]

This shows you literally know nothing about their roster.

They were one of the most injured teams last year, basically half the roster was from the AHL, Werenski their 1D missed the entire season, Voracek basically missed the entire season and so on.
No young rebuilding can survive the amount of injuries they had and look good.

Another main weakness was coaching, it was really abysmal last year.

Prospect pool/their potential

3rd overall= potential franchise 1C
Johnson= 1C
Voronkov= top9 C
Sillinger= top9 C

Marchenko= top6 Rw
Dumais= Top6 W

Jiricek= Franchise 1D
Mateychuk= top4 D
Svozil= top4 D

Then add Gaudreau, Laine, Werenski into the mix

So yeah they should be done with drafting part after picking 3rd overall and start adding players that can play.

Why on earth with their prospect pool+ Werenski/Laine/Gaudreau should Columbus go for full fire sale rebuild instead?

Their new core will be build around Carlsson/Jiricek/Johnson

stay the course seems like the best option. building team through free agency and trades can work but its a hard road.

 

[sxvnert]

Wow a real three way trade, not just a third team as a cap dumping round. Everyone gets something they needed.

 

[absolute garbage]

From LA's perspective, they basically retained 2M on Peterson here (since they took 2M of Provorov's caphit). So really they gained only 3M/yr cap space for the next 2 years. Or actually they gained only 2M/yr, assuming Peterson would've been buried in the AHL.

2nd, Grans and Walker for that seems like it's a little steep (compared to the Zaitsev dump for example, which was 2nd and 4th for one year at 4.5M). Shouldn't make bad signings!

For CBJ, they used 22nd pick this year and 2nd rounder in 2024 (or 2025) for Provorov at 4.725M caphit. 2 years left in his contract. Seems like a good deal for a team that already has lots of young talent, strong prospect pool and who really wants to start competing. Maybe you can look at the Chychrun deal as comparable, and this does pretty well when compared against that.

 

[BB88]

stay the course seems like the best option. building team through free agency and trades can work but its a hard road.

It definitely wouldn’t be.

Continuing would lead to where Buffalo/Edmonton/Detroit spend years on.

& they aren’t building via trades/signings, the next core has been build through the draft and then you start adding to start improving and stopping your team from becoming a losing team/culture.

Trade for Provorov isn’t an all in move for Columbus, they’ve had 7 1st round picks in the last 3 years including 3 in the top6.

Trade like this does nothing to hurt their future and Provorov allows Columbus to develop Mateychuk& Svozil properly without having to rush them

 

[3074326]

I like this for the Jackets. Provorov @ under $5 mill is solid. Dmen with offensive ability have worked out pretty well in Columbus too.

Flyers did well too. f*** em though

Kings.. I don’t know about this… feels like they paid a lot

 

[ViD]

I like the deal for 2 of the 3 parties involved.

LA had to find a way to clear cap, and they managed to ship out their two pure cap anchors (Petersen and Walker) for a 2nd and Helge Grans essentially.

Pure rebuilding-style move for Philly, so it makes sense what they've done.

I personally don't think Provorov is that good. His reputation is that of a top-pair player, but IMO he's more of a 2nd pair guy. So I think CBJ paid a lot for that kind of player. Is adding Provorov supposed to make CBJ good? I get that they'll be healthier, but they have a looooot of ground to make up to get to the playoffs. This is more the kind of move I would picture a team like Buffalo making - who is ready to enter the "competing" phase.

At this point, Columbus has a lot of prospects and in need of actual roster players.

As it’s now obvious Gavrikov is not returning, Columbus had a serious hole in LHD top 4 and Provorov will perfectly slot there.

As for the pick, our main pick is at #3.

 

[Szechwan]

I was laughed at by Kings fans for saying it would take at least 2 1sts to dump Petersen with 0 retention. Most Kings fans believed Blake when he said he would be on their NHL club next season and that the Kings don't want or need to dump him especially if it costs more than a 2nd LOL.

Kings just paid Sean Walker (Kings fans wanted a late 1st or 2nd+3rd for him) + Helge Grans (2nd round pick) + a 2nd round pick to dump him at 3M (retained 2.025 for 2 years on Provorov which would be the same as retaining 2.025M on Petersen's contract).

Thats essentially a 1st + 2x 2nd round pick value to dump 2.975M for 2 years of Petersen.

They must be seething right now

Yeah I'll be honest, after the way they've been valuing their players the last couple of years this was a lot of fun to watch trickle in. Reality check.

 

[funky]

Weird trade. I get it from Columbus and Phillys point of view. Seems a little eh for the Kings. I know they got cap room but they paid a lot to get 3mil of Peterson off the cap.

You forgot to add the 2.65 of Walkers contract to that total. Another salary we had to dump and we have Clarke, Durzi and Spence fighting to take Walkers spot.