Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/LAK/PHI] Provorov (30% retain by LAK) to CBJ; Walker, Grans, Petersen, '23 LAK 1st, '24 LAK 2nd, '24 CBJ 2nd to PHI; Connauton, Hodgson to LAK

[TheGroceryStick]

I’m a blue jackets fan. Tell me how to feel. I don’t know anything.

I'm still trying to digest this ... so many players

I really like and wanted Provorov though

 

[SnS]

I thought he got along with Torts who defended him a few times ?

We got Babcock to sort it out. Besides, I don’t expect him to be forced to play on the right side, he will likely play left side on the second pair.

Babcock will push him way too far.

And he will be angry about being a second pairing defender.

 

[SnS]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad deal. Just feels like there could have been more.

At least the flyers seem to be properly rebuilding

And the Flyers need to rebuild properly. This was the first step, in my opinion.

 

[Sam]

Cal Petersen in the minors would have been a 3.885m x 2 cap hit. Provorov at 30% gives them a 2.025m x 2 cap hit. To shrink that cap they gave up:

• 2024 2nd rounder
• Sean Walker
• Helge Grans

Seems like a lot to me.

Walker was a cap dump. He's a #6 defenseman with a $2.65 million cap hit and $3.35 million in actual salary.

 

[Bandit]

cap had to be shed this offseason otherwise korpisalo and gavrikov would both walk and that would make the trade very ugly for blake, trading a 1st to win what, 1 more game in the playoffs and still make a 1st round exit..

vilardi needs a contract too and that space wouldn't be there without cap shed

Kings won 1 LESS game this year my man.

So now here we go again into next season with Kopitar and Doughty, already unable to carry the load, a year older, and MAYBE we get to keep the D we upgraded but not the goalie and are going into next year with Copely as the number 1…

Blake is a fool.

 

[Scouter]

Ersson will be the future #1. Peterson will take the shillacking while we rebuild and accumulate losses.

Yes, but he may not be NHL ready yet, I already knew.

 

[biturbo19]

When you break it out like this, it looks like a steal for CBJ to me. They basically give up a 2nd round pick and some AHL depth for a solid Top-4D? That's a steal imo.

Kings are basically coughing up most of the value in this deal, and doing so just to dump Petersen. While even retaining on Provorov to make his contract even more attractive.

Funny that in today's flat cap NHL, it continues to be more expensive to dump bad contracts, than it is to acquire solid players (if you have cap space for them).

 

[tny760]

Kings won 1 LESS game this year my man.

So now here we go again into next season with Kopitar and Doughty, already unable to carry the load, a year older, and MAYBE we get to keep the D we upgraded but not the goalie and are going into next year with Copely as the number 1…

Blake is a fool.

oh yeah, got the seasons mixed up

pain

i'm just gonna give him some credit where it's due, it's a good trade to make but it's only made because he shot himself in the foot repeatedly to get there

 

[squashmaple]

He’s a major primadonna.

He won’t play on the right side and he bitches a fit if he’s not on the top power play or top pair.

Well, then he's doomed to fail here. He's not going to be top pair or PP in Columbus with Werenski at 1LD and Boqvist on PP1 and Jiricek ostensibly NHL-ready.

 

[ViD]

Well, then he's doomed to fail here. He's not going to be top pair or PP in Columbus with Werenski at 1LD and Boqvist on PP1 and Jiricek ostensibly NHL-ready.

I mean you know how it works in Columbus, our PP will suck again and Babcock will shuffle the units. If Provorov proves to be producing as a PP QB, so be it

 

[JRichard]

Yes, but he may not be NHL ready yet, I already knew.

He will be 24 when season starts. 2 years SHL, 1 yr AHL, 12 NHL games.

got to start playing before he gets too old…

they will play him, pretty sure of that, with or without Hart as they are not looking to compete now.

 

[squashmaple]

When you break it out like this, it looks like a steal for CBJ to me. They basically give up a 2nd round pick and some AHL depth for a solid Top-4D? That's a steal imo.

Kings are basically coughing up most of the value in this deal, and doing so just to dump Petersen. While even retaining on Provorov to make his contract even more attractive.

Funny that in today's flat cap NHL, it continues to be more expensive to dump bad contracts, than it is to acquire solid players (if you have cap space for them).

Not exactly. Columbus had previously acquired LA's 2023 first for Gavrikov and Korpisalo.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Now that the whole trade is done, I'd say the Flyers did absolutely great, the Jackets did fine and the Kings got killed. They paid Grans and a 2nd to dump Petersen, while also effectively having to retain $2 million in dead cap. That's atrocious value for them.

The Flyers are obviously coming off great here, they got solid value for Provorov and absolutely took the Kings to the cleaners with the Petersen trade. I know that people think the Jackets paid a bunch here, but I don't feel like a 1st and 2 2nds for 2 years of Provorov is really bad at all. He's going to make their defense really good, I love the defense that the Jackets have right now.

 

[abo9]

From LA's perspective, they basically retained 2M on Peterson here (since they took 2M of Provorov's caphit). So really they gained only 3M/yr cap space for the next 2 years. Or actually they gained only 2M/yr, assuming Peterson would've been buried in the AHL.

2nd, Grans and Walker for that seems like it's a little steep (compared to the Zaitsev dump for example, which was 2nd and 4th for one year at 4.5M). Shouldn't make bad signings!

Is Walker and Grans any good?

Walker is 28, 2.6M cap hit, played 15mins per night in LA - 3rd pairing minutes.

He's a RD, LA seems to have Doughty, Durzi, Roy ahead of him on the depth chart, with Jordan Spence and Brandt Clarke as young RD pushing from behind.

Seems like he was also more or less a cap dump, so I find it interesting that everyone assume he's worth "so much" in this trade

 

[FlameChampion]

You forgot to add the 2.65 of Walkers contract to that total. Another salary we had to dump and we have Clarke, Durzi and Spence fighting to take Walkers spot.

Fair enough. Still seems like a lot to give for the cap space. I guess from LA's perspective I dont like them eating 30% of Provorovs deal, but obviously they wouldnt be if they could of avoided it.

But cap space is a premium. This trade shows it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Is Walker and Grans any good?

Walker is meh but Grans is a very good prospect. He was talked about as a potential centerpiece in a Boeser to LA trade in the past.

He's not like an A prospect or anything like that, but he's a really solid B level prospect that was taken in the 2nd round and hasn't done anything to lower his reputation from that.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Cap space via trade is becoming very, very expensive.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

If Walker was a dump too then LA did well, Flyers did great. Columbus gave up a 1st and 2nd for 2 years of Provorov at a really nice cap hit. I could see that paying off for them but chatter/metrics on him seems quite mixed.

 

[biturbo19]

Not exactly. Columbus had previously acquired LA's 2023 first for Gavrikov and Korpisalo.

I suppose. Kind of depends on if Gavrikov/Korpisalo do re-sign with the Kings i guess. It looked like Gavrikov wasn't going to re-sign with Columbus, so that's sort of turning "a guy walking away" into a very reasonable replacement (imo improvement). Which really just adds value on their end for me.

If the Kings sign Gavrikov...which is appears they think they'll be able to do. That more just improves the value on the whole two-part exchange for LAK for me. Whereas right now, it looks like they've given up a boatload for pending UFAs and a Cal Petersen cap dump.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

And the Flyers need to rebuild properly. This was the first step, in my opinion.

Yeah they need to trade pretty much everyone with value. Will be painful for a few years, but if the flyers can get that stud prospect from sucking flyer fans will love it

 

[abo9]

Walker is meh but Grans is a very good prospect. He was talked about as a potential centerpiece in a Boeser to LA trade in the past.

He's not like an A prospect or anything like that, but he's a really solid B level prospect that was taken in the 2nd round and hasn't done anything to lower his reputation from that.

Thanks! He was the main question mark I had regarding value (and to a lower extent Walker). I get that their RD situation might be overloaded, but youd think that they'd get more value out of a solid prospect than gaining a few M of cap space.

I agree it seems like LA got the least out of the 3 teams, especially since they're retaining on Provorov ( why ???).

 

[Volica]

Is Columbus pushing their chips in here?

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

When you break it out like this, it looks like a steal for CBJ to me. They basically give up a 2nd round pick and some AHL depth for a solid Top-4D? That's a steal imo.

CBJ traded the 22nd pick.

 

[bossram]

He will help. We didn’t sign Johnny Hockey to keep rebuilding for many years, the plan is to compete for a play off spot this upcoming season or the season after that

I don't doubt that he will help to some degree, or that Jarmo wants to make the playoffs.

My question is how realistic is that? I know CBJ had tons of injuries, but they have a looooot of ground to make up to get in the playoffs.

I'd argue that it's a low risk move for Columbus. We've seen 3rd pairing defenseman like Savard, Chiarot be moved for 1st rounders at the TDL. If Provorov is indeed a 2nd pairing defenseman, Columbus can recoup assets in a year if they like.

It's not like they gave out much for him, the value of a 1st and 2nd isn't that of a top pairing defenseman lol. Alex Romanov was traded for a 13 OA pick after all.

So why wouldn't Columbus make that move? How are they gonna stop being "bad" if they never make move to get better? It makes them slightly better, and they can now pursuit other pieces to improve their team.

I'd argue that's a terrible outcome. It would mean their goal of making the playoffs clearly failed, and they punted assets while delaying their turn-around. The Romanov deal was awful (and I said so at the time). No comparison to this.

You can look at a team like Buffalo that improved organically. I think they are more the template of a team ready to start "buying" to get in the playoffs and potentially contend.

 

[ViD]

I don't doubt that he will help to some degree, or that Jarmo wants to make the playoffs.

My question is how realistic is that? I know CBJ had tons of injuries, but they have a looooot of ground to make up to get in the playoffs.

Jarmo is not done with the trades(says he wants to improve top 6) and we also likely draft Carlsson who might play next year.

Caps and Pens are on the decline, the Flyers are clearly rebuilding now.

In theory if everyone on the roster is healthy and Babcock pays off, we might challenge for a wild card spot