Value of: Caufield vs 2OA

[ole ole]

If Michkov is there. But Caufield + Will Smith for Fantilli would be awful for the Ducks. You can make the argument Michkov + Caufield is fair value, which it is, but it still doesn’t help us with our biggest need long term.

Fair Value.
Fantilli > Caufield.
Caufield and Smith > Fantilli
Caufield and Michkov >> Fantilli .

 

[ole ole]

Sure, but I think most teams take a risk for a big top 6 center, with superstar potential.

Center is the hardest/ most important position to fill on a roster…. And finding that elite talent at that position is tough.

I mean when is the last time montreal had a real star top line center? You could argue that was kinda always their weak spot during Carey price years

If it was just Caufield sure the Ducks laugh and hang up but some are even asking for the 5th OA + Suzuki AND Lane which is trolling in plain sight.

 

[ScarTroy]

Fair Value.
Fantilli > Caufield.
Caufield and Smith > Fantilli
Caufield and Michkov >> Fantilli .

I think Caufield and Smith is fair value, you disagree, cool.

 

[Mersss]

I think Caufield and Smith is fair value, you disagree, cool.

40G+ goal scorer
+
60-80pts c

Vs

80-100pts C

Let's put it another way...

Do you think Sens would trade Stutzle (Smith) + Debrincat (Caufield, if he was 22) for Barkov (if he was 18)

 

[Vachon23]

40G+ goal scorer
+
60-80pts c

Vs

80-100pts C

Let's put it another way...

Do you think Sens would trade Stutzle (Smith) + Debrincat (Caufield, if he was 22) for Barkov (if he was 18)

Or in another way

If we won the 2nd pick OA and Anaheim had the 5th pick Oa, what would you ask to Anaheim for the 2nd pick ? Would you accept Zegras + 1st round pick (#30)

 

[ScarTroy]

40G+ goal scorer
+
60-80pts c

Vs

80-100pts C

Let's put it another way...

Do you think Sens would trade Stutzle (Smith) + Debrincat (Caufield, if he was 22) for Barkov (if he was 18)

You mean 26 goal scorer.

 

[Mersss]

Or in another way

If we won the 2nd pick OA and Anaheim had the 5th pick Oa, what would you ask to Anaheim for the 2nd pick ? Would you accept Zegras + 1st round pick (#30)

That is not the offer at the moment.

Guy is Saying Caufield + 5th doesn't net you the 2nd

If I am the Habs, I have the 2nd and someine offers me 2/3 players that could play on my 1st line, I am taking the deal.

You mean 26 goal scorer.

I mean 40+ goal scorer.
26 in 46 this year
23 in 40 last year
49goals in his last 86games

 

[ScarTroy]

That is not the offer at the moment.

Guy is Saying Caufield + 5th doesn't net you the 2nd

If I am the Habs, I have the 2nd and someine offers me 2/3 players that could play on my 1st line, I am taking the deal.


I mean 40+ goal scorer.
26 in 46 this year
23 in 40 last year
49goals in his last 86games

I never said Caufield +5th doesn’t net 2oa. I said it’s fair value, but not Anaheims need. Really not that confusing, Habs have every right to never offer that, but if they want 2oa then that would be the minimum ask I’d imagine.

 

[Vachon23]

That is not the offer at the moment.

Guy is Saying Caufield + 5th doesn't net you the 2nd

If I am the Habs, I have the 2nd and someine offers me 2/3 players that could play on my 1st line, I am taking the deal.

The offer from the thread was Caufield + FLA pick so yes it's the offer.

ANA fans just said that it would take Caufield + 5th OA + ?, because they don't want to trade that pick. They didn't ask that in the goal that we accept the deal but so we understand that they won't trade it. It's easy to understand

 

[ScarTroy]

That is not the offer at the moment.

Guy is Saying Caufield + 5th doesn't net you the 2nd

If I am the Habs, I have the 2nd and someine offers me 2/3 players that could play on my 1st line, I am taking the deal.


I mean 40+ goal scorer.
26 in 46 this year
23 in 40 last year
49goals in his last 86games

You mean 53 goals in his last 123 games. Don’t just move the goalposts to make him look better to suit your point.

 

[Vachon23]

I mean 40+ goal scorer.
26 in 46 this year
23 in 40 last year
49goals in his last 86games

That's not a 40 G season though, it's 40 G into 2 season

 

[Mersss]

I never said Caufield +5th doesn’t net 2oa. I said it’s fair value, but not Anaheims need. Really not that confusing, Habs have every right to never offer that, but if they want 2oa then that would be the minimum ask I’d imagine.

It isn't fair value. That's what most Habs fans are saying.

Fantilli isn't worth anywhere close to that. The difference between Fantili and Michkov or Smith isn't Caufield. A fair trade would be something like Dach + 5oa vs 2nd OA + later 1st pick.

You mean 53 goals in his last 123 games. Don’t just move the goalposts to make him look better to suit your point.

I am moving the toal post to post-Ducharme, which makes total sense. Since the new coach, he's got 49goals in 86games. That's a whole season, and close to a 50goal pace

Saying he's a 40goal winger is totally fine.

 

[DaPhazz]

Yeah...This isn't happening. This thread is pure dumb. Fantilli is a magic bag of beans at this point. The difference between him and Will Smith is not a 40 goal scorer.

Im embarassed one of our fans would make this. You guys should be happy with Fantilli. We will take one of Michkov/Carlsson/Smith and be happy.

Let's not forget the (page 2 I think) proposition of : Caufield, 5oa, Hutson, a 2nd for 2oa that made some people call habs fans delusional, a beauty, grande bellezza!

 

[Mersss]

That's not a 40 G season though, it's 40 G into 2 season

It's a 45goal pace since management change/coaching change.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Caufield by many is considered top 5 for a 2019 redraft.

Many Habs fans?

 

[Vachon23]

It's a 45goal pace since management change/coaching change.

Don't get me wrong no doubt he have the potential to be a 40 G scorer but for now, you need to score 40 G at least 1 time before being a 40 G scorer

 

[Breakers]

DAMN!!!!
This is a new type mental gymnastics

"it doesnt matter that there is an offseason in between his 20 goal seasons"

I've seen wild pace calculations on this site.
this is a wild new one. combining two seasons

almost on par with Jack Hughes would have scored over 110 points if he didnt miss 4 games this season from a devils fan.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If it was just Caufield sure the Ducks laugh and hang up but some are even asking for the 5th OA + Suzuki AND Lane which is trolling in plain sight.

I think it's worthwhile to remember that this thread started with a lowball. Caufield + Florida 1st or 2024 first is a very poor offer.

While 5th+Suzuki+Hutson is a crazy valuation, I don't think you'll find a Ducks fan that would do it for anything less than 5th and Caufield.

 

[ole ole]

I think Caufield and Smith is fair value, you disagree, cool.

You said Michkov and Caufield.
You said Caufield and Smith was terrible.
I disagree on both.

 

[lwvs84]

If you consider him a 40+ goal player, you have to consider him injury prone too. He 0 40 goal seasons, 1 season where he missed almost half the games due to injury. Obviously, neither one is true (yet). He could end up being injury prone (being a smaller player), he could be a perennial 40 goal guy (with scoring going up and Montreal likely adding more high draft picks). There are lots of examples of guys that start off a season hot then cool down as the physicality and travel wear them down, and that's probably more true of bad teams.

Young guys go in full of energy and are trying to make an impression while the vets know the grind of an 82 game season plus playoffs and are pacing themselves a bit better. For the Ducks, it happened to Terry a year ago... he was top 5 in scoring what, a third of the way into the season? Had a great year, but wasn't near the top at the end. He had points in what, like 15 straight games after the opener? If you go by that pace, Terry is a 100+ point player... but he cooled off and didn't hit near that, same could be true of Caufield.

 

[ole ole]

The offer from the thread was Caufield + FLA pick so yes it's the offer.

ANA fans just said that it would take Caufield + 5th OA + ?, because they don't want to trade that pick. They didn't ask that in the goal that we accept the deal but so we understand that they won't trade it. It's easy to understand

Caufield and the the 5th OA would do it. You know that ,i know that. Most know that. Most are here shitting on the Habs and the offer because it the thing to do on this board now.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

It isn't fair value. That's what most Habs fans are saying.

Fantilli isn't worth anywhere close to that. The difference between Fantili and Michkov or Smith isn't Caufield. A fair trade would be something like Dach + 5oa vs 2nd OA + later 1st pick.


I am moving the toal post to post-Ducharme, which makes total sense. Since the new coach, he's got 49goals in 86games. That's a whole season, and close to a 50goal pace

Saying he's a 40goal winger is totally fine.

But that wouldn’t entice us at all…. Which is what Canadian fans seem to be ignoring me


Would you trade 2nd overall for 5th + terry?

Caufield and the the 5th OA would do it. You know that ,i know that. Most know that. Most are here shitting on the Habs and the offer because it the thing to do on this board now.

In value vacuum sure…. But I imagine Anaheim still says no if this was on the table

 

[ole ole]

Many Habs fans?

Many others also including insiders. Curious where you would rate him now in that draft?

 

[Vachon23]

Many others also including insiders. Curious where you would rate him now in that draft?

I personally have him somewhere in the top 10

Hughes
Seider
Cozens
Zegras
Boldy

After that Caufield is probably next or the next after so #6-7

 

[ole ole]

But that wouldn’t entice us at all…. Which is what Canadian fans seem to be ignoring me


Would you trade 2nd overall for 5th + terry?


In value vacuum sure…. But I imagine Anaheim still says no if this was on the table

Would i trade the 2nd OA for the 5th and Terry? If we were somehow getting Dubois ya i would highly consider it. and if it's Michkov sitting at 5 Done.