Value of: Caufield vs 2OA

[TS Quint]

You mean 26 goal scorer.

No! Let me talk to the manager! He’s a Hab so they count the goals he didn’t score too. He’s a 50 goal scorer!

 

[TS Quint]

Terry is 25... but ive come to realize #'s can be moved a bit to suit your arguemnet if you are a Montreal fan.

26 = 40
top 10 = top 5

And what is Caufields pedigree that Terry doesnt have? Only 1 of them is a 30+ goal scorer

Yeah but who was the better player at 15 years old?! Caufields High School goals count too! 25 goals in 23 games for Stevens Point Area High, that makes him a 89 goal scorer! That adds a lot of value!

 

[SOLR]

hard disagree in Lafrenriere. He was saved by his WJC performance but didn’t have nearly the resume Fantilli did

You mean the same Fantilli who had a hard time staying in the lineup at WJC?

There is a fair bit of Byfield in Fantilli, he's certainly not the best draft-eligible since 2016, that's ridiculous.

2018 - 2 players with better profiles (Dahlin and Svechnikov)
2019 - 3 players with better profiles (Hughes, Kakko, Dach)
2020 - 1 player (Laf)
2021 - 1 player (Power)


All of these players have much better U17-U18-Hlinka-U20 pre-draft performances.

 

[MNRube]

You mean the same Fantilli who had a hard time staying in the lineup at WJC?

There is a fair bit of Byfield in Fantilli, he's certainly not the best draft-eligible since 2016, that's ridiculous.

2018 - 2 players with better profiles (Dahlin and Svechnikov)
2019 - 3 players with better profiles (Hughes, Kakko, Dach)
2020 - 1 player (Laf)
2021 - 1 player (Power)


All of these players have much better U17-U18-Hlinka-U20 pre-draft performances.

He destroyed the NCAA at a level we haven’t seen since Eichel & Kariya. Laf had a decent WJC and played in the no-defense Q and didn’t have nearly the floor that Fantilli has.

He’s probably already better than Laf so this is just Canadian bias or a bad take.

Dach? GTFO

 

[SOLR]

He destroyed the NCAA at a level we haven’t seen since Eichel & Kariya. Laf had a decent WJC and played in the no-defense Q and didn’t have nearly the floor that Fantilli has.

He’s probably already better than Laf so this is just Canadian bias or a bad take.

Dach? GTFO

LOL Canadian bias against a Canadian?! ok buddy. Keep throwing nonsense accusations. I've been watching Fantilli since he's 14-15.

Destroyed the NCAA on an all-star team. Eichel was a much better prospect.
Byfield had the same international tournament problems as Fantilli.

 

[MNRube]

LOL Canadian bias against a Canadian?! ok buddy. Keep throwing nonsense accusations. I've been watching Fantilli since he's 14-15.

Destroyed the NCAA on an all-star team. Eichel was a much better prospect.
Byfield had the same international tournament problems as Fantilli.

Michigan wasn’t even the most talented team in the Big Ten. You clearly know nothing about the NCAA

 

[DaPhazz]

In my opinion Anaheim doesn’t even consider this. It is pretty clear Caulfield is looking to sign for way more than what the Habs gave Suzuki. Suzuki had a career high 15 goals and 26 assists when he signed his 8x8m contract, so I am sure a 22 year old who scored 40 goals is looking for way more than that. Taking a guess but likely something more around 10-10.5m x 8. No one in the league is going to trade for a player looking for that kind of cash. Maybe asking for 10m is just Caulfield way of getting out of Montreal, like KK. Either way I think Montreal fans will be disappointed with the return, if they are able to find someone that is willing to trade for someone that wants that kind of cash.

That's a hell lot of speculation there

Still think caufield, plus #5, plus hutson/another prospect would be a good deal in terms of value for both sides.

Crazy, crazy talk

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He destroyed the NCAA at a level we haven’t seen since Eichel & Kariya. Laf had a decent WJC and played in the no-defense Q and didn’t have nearly the floor that Fantilli has.

He’s probably already better than Laf so this is just Canadian bias or a bad take.

Dach? GTFO

I imagine if Montreal had the 2nd pick… their fans tune would change.

 

[TBF1972]

I imagine if Montreal had the 2nd pick… their fans tune would change.

kakko 2.0

against men

 

[BlackFrancis]

I imagine if Montreal had the 2nd pick… their fans tune would change.

Yeah, they'd be saying 2nd OA plus Edmundson is plenty for Bedard.

 

[TBF1972]

Yeah, they'd be saying 2nd OA plus Edmundson is plenty for Bedard.

don't sell them short. they would even throw in drouin's ufa rights.

 

[Xirik]

If this thread is still going by Friday i'll be sad.

 

[Spilot23]

If this thread is still going by Friday i'll be sad.

This thread is so fun to read what are you talking about?

The combining two seasons minus the coach change to show goals total is something else I'll tell you that though

 

[TBF1972]

This thread is so fun to read what are you talking about?

The combining two seasons minus the coach change to show goals total is something else I'll tell you that though

my favorite post is from @Rec T about pacing over two threads. pure genius.

 

[Cenzo_]

This thread is so fun to read what are you talking about?

The combining two seasons minus the coach change to show goals total is something else I'll tell you that though

I agree that without context it is a pretty ridiculous way to demonstrate his stats but the reality is Caulfield started his first real season with a terrible coach who had no clue of what he was doing and Caufield scored 1 goal in 30 games.

The coach got fired, St-Louis came in and Caulfield went on to score 22 goals in 37 games and then in 2023 26 in 46 games for a total of 48 goals in 83 games since St-Louis took over.

Posters in this thread like to say that he is a 26 goals scorer but any fan base who had a player in this exact context would be saying they have a 40 goals scorer.

 

[ohcomeonref]

I agree that without context it is a pretty ridiculous way to demonstrate his stats but the reality is Caulfield started his first real season with a terrible coach who had no clue of what he was doing and Caufield scored 1 goal in 30 games.

The coach got fired, St-Louis came in and Caulfield went on to score 22 goals in 37 games and then in 2023 26 in 46 games for a total of 48 goals in 83 games since St-Louis took over.

Posters in this thread like to say that he is a 26 goals scorer but any fan base who had a player in this exact context would be saying they have a 40 goals scorer.

This just isn't true. Words have meaning, phrases have meaning. Everybody knows when you talk about a "30 goal scorer" or a "40 goal scorer" etc you are ALWAYS talking goals scored over one 82 game season.

 

[DaPhazz]

This thread is so fun to read what are you talking about?

The combining two seasons minus the coach change to show goals total is something else I'll tell you that though

There's indeed true humour in this thread : Caufield + #5, + hutson + 2nd for 2oa is beautiful, a masterpiece, a grande bellezza

Yeah, they'd be saying 2nd OA plus Edmundson is plenty for Bedard.

...and there's the good old boomer humour too


Great thread!

 

[Frank Drebin]

This just isn't true. Words have meaning, phrases have meaning. Everybody knows when you talk about a "30 goal scorer" or a "40 goal scorer" etc you are ALWAYS talking goals scored over one 82 game season.

Exactly. That is why Lawson Crouse and Cole Caufield had nearly identical seasons and we really have no idea who will score more goals in the future between the two of them.

 

[TBF1972]

There's indeed true humour in this thread : Caufield + #5, + hutson + 2nd for 2oa is beautiful, a masterpiece, a grande bellezza



...and there's the good old boomer humour too


Great thread!

or hutson would get drafted #1 oa in a redraft today

 

[Spilot23]

I agree that without context it is a pretty ridiculous way to demonstrate his stats but the reality is Caulfield started his first real season with a terrible coach who had no clue of what he was doing and Caufield scored 1 goal in 30 games.

The coach got fired, St-Louis came in and Caulfield went on to score 22 goals in 37 games and then in 2023 26 in 46 games for a total of 48 goals in 83 games since St-Louis took over.

Posters in this thread like to say that he is a 26 goals scorer but any fan base who had a player in this exact context would be saying they have a 40 goals scorer.

I'll give my two cents by saying first the 5th + Caufield is too much for 2nd OA(Fantilli) while Caufield for 2nd OA is clearly not enough.

On the Caufield part I don't think you can't call him a 40 goal scorer combining two seasons where St-Louis was in. I understand that he has tremendous stats since he took over but to me a X goal scorer means in a season. The potential is clearly there and will probably do it.

Here we weren't allowed to call Mack a 100 point player before this year while with pace he would've clearly gotten it before IMO but still the fact was that he wasn't a 100 pts player. If we said that Mack was 100pts player if we count the 17 games he missed from the season before to fit my narrative is kinda a dumb argument. We use two different season as one sample where one could go on a tear or just go cold.

 

[DaPhazz]

or hutson would get drafted #1 oa in a redraft today

'could' ... you're certainly one to change the wording to your advantage


Give it time, give it time, in the meantime he's breaking records in the NCAA.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

or hutson would get drafted #1 oa in a redraft today

Based on his last 2 seasons + projections by some equation not related to hockey he’s going to be the next Orr

 

[LVCarson]

That's a hell lot of speculation there



Crazy, crazy talk

I don’t think much speculation is needed to think a 40 goal scorer would want more money that a 15 goal scorer. Wouldn’t you want more money than a coworker if you were producing twice as much much?

 

[TBF1972]

Based on his last 2 seasons + projections by some equation not related to hockey he’s going to be the next Orr

lawrence taylor could be even a more appropriate comparable

 

[Hoglander]

If you take Bo Horvat's finish to the 21/22 season, then add his time as a Canuck in the 22/23 season, while ignoring his time under the offense-killing coach in NYI, then extrapolate that scoring pace... holy shit, Horvat is a 60 goal scorer!