Value of: Caufield vs 2OA

[Sasha Orlov]

i am not a fan of slice and dice a sample size. from a statistical point of view you end up with less reliable and replicable data.
playing a full 82 games schedule includes playing through some minor injuries and fatigue. those can limit the players performances or his confidence, which often than leads to lower production level aka cold streaks.
i think it's a fair point to ask at least close to 40 goals within one season to call someone a 40-50 goal scorer. 26 goals in 46 games doesn't do it for me and from reading other opinions this sentiment is shared by a lot of people here.

Agreed, I think he’s a 100% lock to hit 40-50 in a full season but he hasn’t yet so he is not a 40g guy

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i am not a fan of slice and dice a sample size. from a statistical point of view you end up with less reliable and replicable data.
playing a full 82 games schedule includes playing through some minor injuries and fatigue. those can limit the players performances or his confidence, which often than leads to lower production level aka cold streaks.
i think it's a fair point to ask at least close to 40 goals within one season to call someone a 40-50 goal scorer. 26 goals in 46 games doesn't do it for me and from reading other opinions this sentiment is shared by a lot of people here.

thats fair i do think he scores 40 this year without the injury hes been amazing under St-Louis but yea i agree he has to stay healthy and prove it before we call him one hopefully the shoulder injury is in the past and he comes back strong next year

That being said even if he did score 40 this year i still believe ANA says no #2 is just too valuable and Cole also just finished hes ELC and will be looking at around 8mill plus a potentiel franchise C is just worth too much

 

[Doublechin]

So Caufield and Michkov for Fantilli

Ouff

I'd have a hard time saying no from a Ducks POV

 

[ottawa]

I mean he's missed 51 games the past 2 seasons

What is this comment even lol

Last year he missed time because he was demoted to the AHL, some time because of Covid and I think 1 or 2 games because of an upper body injury.

This year he had a shoulder injury.

I guess 1 injury = injury prone

 

[ScarTroy]

So Caufield and Michkov for Fantilli

Ouff

I'd have a hard time saying no from a Ducks POV

If Michkov is there. But Caufield + Will Smith for Fantilli would be awful for the Ducks. You can make the argument Michkov + Caufield is fair value, which it is, but it still doesn’t help us with our biggest need long term.

 

[jfhabs]

i am not a fan of slice and dice a sample size. from a statistical point of view you end up with less reliable and replicable data.
playing a full 82 games schedule includes playing through some minor injuries and fatigue. those can limit the players performances or his confidence, which often than leads to lower production level aka cold streaks.
i think it's a fair point to ask at least close to 40 goals within one season to call someone a 40-50 goal scorer. 26 goals in 46 games doesn't do it for me and from reading other opinions this sentiment is shared by a lot of people here.

That's fair. We can't call him a 40g scorer.
However, you'd be mistaken to think any less of him.
He's a lock to score 40+ goals.

 

[stevo61]

So Caufield and Michkov for Fantilli

Ouff

I'd have a hard time saying no from a Ducks POV

I dont know about that. Drafting Fantilli is locking down your center position with a big skilled guy who will also succeed in the playoffs. Its cool Caufield maybe has more goal scoring upside and Michkov is more skilled but Fantilli I think will be the best of the 3 when helping teams win games that matter.

Fantilli-MacTavish would be a pain to match up against and it also gets Zegras out of center so win win in my opinion

 

[jfhabs]

What is this comment even lol

Last year he missed time because he was demoted to the AHL, some time because of Covid and I think 1 or 2 games because of an upper body injury.

This year he had a shoulder injury.

I guess 1 injury = injury prone

yeep, HF sometimes...
he would most likely play thru this injury if the habs were contenders too. Miss so games to heal here and there, then have the surgery during the summer.

 

[ottawa]

yeep, HF sometimes...
he would most likely play thru this injury if the habs were contenders too. Miss so games to heal here and there, then have the surgery during the summer.

IIRC he did play through it and separated his shoulder a 2nd time before they shut him down. Kids an idiot.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I dont know about that. Drafting Fantilli is locking down your center position with a big skilled guy who will also succeed in the playoffs. Its cool Caufield maybe has more goal scoring upside and Michkov is more skilled but Fantilli I think will be the best of the 3 when helping teams win games that matter.

Fantilli-MacTavish would be a pain to match up against and it also gets Zegras out of center so win win in my opinion

Yep strength down the middle is huge for teams and playoff success.

Having

Fantilli mctavish as our #1/#2 will make us pretty tough…. And giving us another play maker on the wing in zegras, where I think ultimately he’ll be more effective

 

[BB88]

That’s not what my point is. The difference between Fantilli and Smith/Michkov is not a 21 year old that has scored 46 goals in his last 82 games played. That’s absolutely hilarious. And to think people have Montreal adding on top of that. How are Montreal fans the delusional ones here? That trade offer should come with a bottle of lube.

You’re not going to deal with fair value when you are trying to get either Fantilli or Carlsson.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Don’t be ridiculous. I would trade 10 for him without a second thought.

The OP offer is bad but don’t double down.

Habs wouldn't trade 10 for Caufield any more than 2nd for Caufield from your angle. Truth is usually in the middle and Caufield has 53 goals in 123 games (35/season prorated) which includes the games with Ducharme as his coach at the 1st half of 21/22. In his last 83 games with MSL, he has 48 goals.

Tricky part with Fantilli is he has not turned pro yet. Who was more hyped? Fantilli or Byfield? I'm just as high on Fantilli as others but sounds like several fans are considering a guaranteed franchise center hit before he has played one NHL game. Odds say he will be very good but watch the defenders come along to nit pick now... Their narrative will be it's impossible for Fantilli to disappoint.

Teams just don't trade top 5 picks and I don't recall the last time a top 3 pick was traded. Interesting to talk about but it's just not happening.

 

[Habs Halifax]

i am not a fan of slice and dice a sample size. from a statistical point of view you end up with less reliable and replicable data.
playing a full 82 games schedule includes playing through some minor injuries and fatigue. those can limit the players performances or his confidence, which often than leads to lower production level aka cold streaks.
i think it's a fair point to ask at least close to 40 goals within one season to call someone a 40-50 goal scorer. 26 goals in 46 games doesn't do it for me and from reading other opinions this sentiment is shared by a lot of people here.

His prorated number per season right now is 35 goals. That includes the disaster period with Ducharme in the 21/22 season. Over the last 83 games with MSL, he has 48 goals.

I think 35-45 is a better range.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Habs wouldn't trade 10 for Caufield any more than 2nd for Caufield from your angle. Truth is usually in the middle and Caufield has 53 goals in 123 games (35/season prorated) which includes the games with Ducharme as his coach at the 1st half of 21/22. In his last 83 games with MSL, he has 48 goals.

Tricky part with Fantilli is he has not turned pro yet. Who was more hyped? Fantilli or Byfield? I'm just as high on Fantilli as others but sounds like several fans are considering a guaranteed franchise center hit before he has played one NHL game. Odds say he will be very good but watch the defenders come along to nit pick now... Their narrative will be it's impossible for Fantilli to disappoint.

Teams just don't trade top 5 picks and I don't recall the last time a top 3 pick was traded. Interesting to talk about but it's just not happening.

Kinda like some fans are considering caufield guaranteed 40-50 goal guy when he prorated pace is 35

Caufield is a 1 dimensional undersized goal scorer. While he is pretty good at what he does…. I wouldn’t say he’s a need for a championship team.

Ducks are doing fine building a team to contend with, no reason to complicate things, just make the pick at 2 for who we see as best and move on to the next season

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kinda like some fans are considering caufield guaranteed 40-50 goal guy when he prorated pace is 35

Kind of like that yeah. Works two ways. That's the point.

Personally, I have Caufield in the 35-45 range in a full 82 game season as he heads towards prime years. Can he get to 50? Possible yes but his career average may fall in that 35-45 range when we look back.

This is not a bad trade. It's a bad idea. One guy is a very gifted undersized goal scoring winger (proven) and the other is a highly rated future center who has not played a NHL game yet. Do you have a past trade that would compare? I don't. It just doesn't happen.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Kind of like that yeah. Works two ways. That's the point.

Personally, I have Caufield in the 35-45 range in a full 82 game season as he heads towards prime years. Can he get to 50? Possible yes but his career average may fall in that 35-45 range when we look back.

He for sure has the talent to hit 50…. And you could argue when the Canadians roster is better around him he could even push PPG/ and power play dynamo

But as of right now it’s a lot of projections and guessing. Even beyond the guessing/prospect flexing…. Fantilli is just a huge fit here

 

[Habs Halifax]

He for sure has the talent to hit 50…. And you could argue when the Canadians roster is better around him he could even push PPG/ and power play dynamo

But as of right now it’s a lot of projections and guessing. Even beyond the guessing/prospect flexing…. Fantilli is just a huge fit here

There is less projections and guessing on Caufield than there is on Fantilli. Still don't mean this is a good trade idea.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

There is less projections and guessing on Caufield than there is on Fantilli. Still don't mean this is a good trade idea.

Sure, but I think most teams take a risk for a big top 6 center, with superstar potential.

Center is the hardest/ most important position to fill on a roster…. And finding that elite talent at that position is tough.

I mean when is the last time montreal had a real star top line center? You could argue that was kinda always their weak spot during Carey price years

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

He for sure has the talent to hit 50…. And you could argue when the Canadians roster is better around him he could even push PPG/ and power play dynamo

But as of right now it’s a lot of projections and guessing. Even beyond the guessing/prospect flexing…. Fantilli is just a huge fit here

are you sure ANA are picking Fantilli is that what Ducks fans want ? dont sleep on Carlsson i think Fantilli peaked earlier but dont be dissapointed if you guys pick Leo i think he will be better in the long run

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

are you sure ANA are picking Fantilli is that what Ducks fans want ? dont sleep on Carlsson i think Fantilli peaked earlier but dont be dissapointed if you guys pick Leo i think he will be better in the long run

I think fantilli fills that Getzlaf void…. Not afraid to play physical… can be a little mean.

I like carlsson too, and would be fine with either guy…. I just think fantilli style fits like a glove for us

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I think fantilli fills that Getzlaf void…. Not afraid to play physical… can be a little mean.

I like carlsson too, and would be fine with either guy…. I just think fantilli style fits like a glove for us

yes true Fantilli does play more aggresive/grit either way you guys are getting a stud at #2

 

[waitin425]

Counter offer.....

2nd + Zellweger + Zegras

for

5th + Caufield

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Is Caufield even better then DeBrincat? I’m not so sure he is.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Counter offer.....

2nd + Zellweger + Zegras

for

5th + Caufield

You realize a Canadians fan made the thread, and duck fans want nothing to do with caufield…. If you have ever read the duck boards you’d realize we hate small players

 

[stevo61]

You realize a Canadians fan made the thread, and duck fans want nothing to do with caufield…. If you have ever read the duck boards you’d realize we hate small players

So you are looking to trade Zellweger eh?