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Friedman: Carolina is interested in JT Miller

I feel like I'm going to have to keep repeating this so long as Carolina is good, but: Carolina didn't want to give big fa money to their own guys they knew worked well here, why would they give up assets to acquire someone else's guy who makes big fa money?

I'd have been shocked if this happened. And apparantly the OP is misrepresenting what Friedman actually said...
 
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JKG33 said:
A near PPG player apparently isn't trending well, meanwhile a player who's never shown anything more than being a dime a dozen bottom 6 forward will magically improve by being gifted top line minutes? What is this nonsense?
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I didn't say that the player isn't trending well. I said that his $8m contract isn't. His production has tailed off since last season. And there's a fairly good chance that it'll continue to. So the likelihood of that contract aging well is fairly low.

Kotkaniemi on the other hand is a 22 year old center with a fairly good chance of improving his production to the point where his $4.8m contract is palatable at the very least.

Neither of those contacts are attractive. But the younger guy's is likely to age far better.

I'm not suggesting that KK would be a positive asset today either. But if Carolina is willing to pay market value for JT Miller if they take back that contract, they'd be stupid not to.
 
Finlandia WOAT said:
I feel like I'm going to have to keep repeating this so long as Carolina is good, but: Carolina didn't want to give big fa money to their own guys they knew worked well here, why would they give up assets to acquire someone else's guy?

I'd have been shocked if this happened. And apparantly the OP is misrepresenting what Friedman actually said...
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This is why I feel they will lose Aho and some other players in the near future. Players want to get paid like all the others playing/producing similar to themselves. But this is also why they probably don't want to lose any young players like Morrow, because they know they will lose core players who want to get paid what they are worth.
 
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belair said:
I didn't say that the player isn't trending well. I said that his $8m contract isn't. His production has tailed off since last season. And there's a fairly good chance that it'll continue to. So the likelihood of that contract aging well is fairly low.

Kotkaniemi on the other hand is a 22 year old center with a fairly good chance of improving his production to the point where his $4.8m contract is palatable at the very least.

Neither of those contacts are attractive. But the younger guy's is likely to age far better.
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Vancouver is a dumpster fire this year and he's still near a PPG.

Kotkaneimi has shown nothing to indicate he'll magically improve.

Miller might one day be overpaid, but that day is not today. Kotkaniemi could very well never be worth his cap hit. He certainly isn't now.
 
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belair said:
I didn't say that the player isn't trending well. I said that his $8m contract isn't. His production has tailed off since last season. And there's a fairly good chance that it'll continue to. So the likelihood of that contract aging well is fairly low.

Kotkaniemi on the other hand is a 22 year old center with a fairly good chance of improving his production to the point where his $4.8m contract is palatable at the very least.

Neither of those contacts are attractive. But the younger guy's is likely to age far better.

I'm not suggesting that KK would be a positive asset either. But if Carolina is willing to pay market value for JT Miller if they take back that contract, they'd be stupid not to.
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Miller is performing to his contract. 8m is getting pretty much standard for guys who can put up 70+ points a season. Millers pace is currently 74 in 82. With his injury history, he will likely play well for 4-5 of those 7 years at a good pace. His game also doesn't require him to be the fastest guy on the ice, so he can still be productive when he slows down.
 
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Frankie Blueberries said:
Can mods amend the thread title? Friedman said Carolina was interested last off-season as part of a 3-way trade with Calgary and Tkachuk (likely involving Carolina receiving Tkachuk, and Calgary with Miller), and that he doesn’t see it happening now. This thread title is a farce
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Urban don’t like facts getting in the way of a cool story lol
 
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EP to Kuzmenko said:
I don't think you can trade a player mid contract and retain said contract after July 1st. Maybe someone else can clarify when that happened, but now contract and player move together.
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Ok, I see what you are saying but I don't think that's what happened with Weight or Recchi. I could be wrong, but I thought that both Recchi and Weight were UFAs at the end of their time with Carolina, so true rentals who were traded to Carolina and then became free agents and re-signed with their former teams after their contract was up with Carolina.

Joe Corvo did that as well in 2010. Carolina traded him as a rental at the deadline to Washington. After that season he was a UFA who re-signed with Carolina.
 
UrbanImpact said:
That's true that is based on my own speculation,

I just dont see Carolina taking a 56 mil contract without trying to dump KK's contract back...

Sat Shah who is also connected within the Canucks says it would take 1st and prospect to pry Miller out of Van which i just dont think is happening for Carolina, especially if KK is not involved.
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That’s because the Canes aren’t taking on a 56 mill contract man. For the cheap seats this isn’t a rumor, it’s a rumor about what happened over the the summer.
 
So I listened to the Friedman piece just now. Here is the text for anyone that doesn't want to take the time to listen:

"The other thing this week is there has been some talk about JT Miller. I don't know. I would say this. One of the rumors going around has been Carolina. I'm not convinced of it. I do think there was a time, in the summer, when they were looking at a potential kind of 3-way deal involving Matthew Tkachuk that maybe Miller's name came up, but I don't think, uh....I know some people talked about the Hurricanes, but I don't see that happening right now."
 
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Gocanes0506 said:
Points arent all that determines a good center. Its no mystery that Miller isn’t a very good center. He scores but does little else to be a good center. Rod is very hard on centers as far as their 200 foot and positional responsibilities.
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Faceoffs?

Just saying…

Miller is definitely better as a W, but to say he’s a “meh center, at best” is hyperbole considering his production at C.

Last I checked offense is still an important part of being a top 6 centre.
 
Boom Boom Apathy said:
Ok, I see what you are saying but I don't think that's what happened with Weight or Recchi. I could be wrong, but I thought that both Recchi and Weight were UFAs at the end of their time with Carolina, so true rentals who were traded to Carolina and then became free agents and re-signed with their former teams after their contract was up with Carolina.

Joe Corvo did that as well in 2010. Carolina traded him as a rental at the deadline to Washington. After that season he was a UFA who re-signed with Carolina.
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Cap friendly's data may have some inconsistency to it, but Weight looked to be in the middle of a contract when he was traded to the Canes and went right back to St.Louis. Recchi doesn't have contract details, but looks to be the same.
 
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This if true is turning into Luongo/Schnedier 2.0 Horvat/Miller at center of issues and then shortly both gone to other teams. Couldn't decide between the two goalies and then in short order both are gone, and the piece from that is now interestingly also gone.
 
belair said:
I didn't say that the player isn't trending well. I said that his $8m contract isn't. His production has tailed off since last season. And there's a fairly good chance that it'll continue to. So the likelihood of that contract aging well is fairly low.

Kotkaniemi on the other hand is a 22 year old center with a fairly good chance of improving his production to the point where his $4.8m contract is palatable at the very least.

Neither of those contacts are attractive. But the younger guy's is likely to age far better.

I'm not suggesting that KK would be a positive asset today either. But if Carolina is willing to pay market value for JT Miller if they take back that contract, they'd be stupid not to.
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Please send me the crystal ball you have, I'd like to win the lottery.
 
spockBokk said:
For those who want to confirm the OP’s complete lack of basic comprehension. Here’s what Friedman actually said:
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" One of the rumors going around has been Carolina"

Then he goes on and says how Carolina has had interest in the summer previously as well..


What am i mis- representing here?
 
EP to Kuzmenko said:
Cap friendly's data may have some inconsistency to it, but Weight looked to be in the middle of a contract when he was traded to the Canes and went right back to St.Louis. Recchi doesn't have contract details, but looks to be the same.
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I think contract stuff got messed up some during the lock-out and CapFriendly isn 't accurate.

I'm positive Weight and Recchi were UFAs after their stint in Carolina and these two articles prove that.

This article says that Weight signed a multi-year deal in STL in July 2006, after his stint in Carolina, which he could only sign if he was a UFA: https://www.semissourian.com/story/1158906.html

And this article says the Pens signed UFA Recchi in July of 2006: PENGUINS SIGN MARK RECCHI'

They were both "true rentals" that were UFAs after their stint with Carolina ended.
 
spockBokk said:
He completely shoots down the rumor himself in the clip. You’re grasping at delusions.
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yes, he shoots it down saying he doesnt think it will happen...so what???

He is still reporting that the rumor going around right now is Carolina is interested in Miller and that he also heard Carolina mentioned was in on Miller in the summer.
 
UrbanImpact said:
" One of the rumors going around has been Carolina"

Then he goes on and says how Carolina has had interest in the summer previously as well..


What am i mis- representing here?
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Your title is: "FRIEDMAN: Carolina is interested in JT Miller". By that, you are implying that Friedman is saying Carolina is interested in JT Miller, and he's not saying that.
 
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spockBokk said:
He completely shoots down the rumor himself in the clip. You’re grasping at delusions. Pretty much par for the course for you it seems.
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