Carolina - 50 picks since 2019

[Number 57]

I wanted to make that thread. I'm blown away by the number of prospects they have. The fact they seem to be drafting ''fallers'' makes it so when you look at their list, they seem to have a ton of great prospects since they were all ranked in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round at some point.

They also seem to go for Europe a lot especially Swedes, Fins and Russians.

F: Suzuki, Koivunen, Rees, Nadeau, Nybeck, Ponomarev, Gunler, Lucius, Trikozov, Blake, Unger Sorum, Perron, Gulistov, Perevalov, Rykov, Pashin, Slepets, Tieksola, Robidas, Mkukhanov

D: Nikishin, Heimosalmi, Seeley, Morrow, Honka, Grudinin, Forsmarck, Fensore, Pelevin

G: Khazeyev, Hamrla, Quapp, Vondras

Basically all those players are under 21 yrs old and only two were 1st rounders (late 1st)

 

[LuGBuG]

No cup = fail

Not from a business perspective. Just an oblivious fan perspective with no common sense.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

They’ve drafted more than twice as many players out of Russia since ownership changed hands and new management took over in 2018 than the franchise did in the 40 years before that.

 

[Svechhammer]

Our goal is to remain in the mix and trust the group to get the team over the top without pushing all the chips in and kneecap their future odds. That's a path we've been down before, we pushed in all the chips in 2006 and immediately sucked the next season. We went for it in 2009, and then began a 10 year playoff drought that almost killed the franchise. If any team is intimately aware of how important it is to remain competitive, its Carolina, and we're more than content with icing a winning team. We fully trust our contention window is the majority of the current decade, and we aren't going to screw that up for a roll of the dice now.

If we went all in this year, Svech would have still gotten hurt, we likely would have given up a good young player for an older rental, and we'd be worse now. Sometimes, the right call really is to wait til the opportune moment to make your move.

They’ve drafted more than twice as many players out of Russia since ownership changed hands and new management took over in 2018 than the franchise did in the 40 years before that.

Its no coincidence that we're seemingly hoarding them in the draft now that the war has depressed their values as other franchises have had cold feet in dealing with anyone from over there. Case in point, look at Michkov falling to 7th in this draft.

 

[Patmac40]

No cup = fail

That's dumb. 31 teams don't fail every year.

There's a ridiculous amount of things that need to go right for any team that wins the cup yet the Canes have consistently put themselves into positions to compete for the last five years while maintaining really good asset management. They do things the right way and it will lead to them continuing to compete going forward.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

They have never truly gone "all in" but in doing so have been able to extend their window out longer. Economically, a team that is "in the mix" probably does about as well gate-wise as one that is crash-coursed for the Cup, so perhaps that plays a factor? They have managed to avoid shooting themselves in the foot, but you wonder if it's gonna be a situation 10 years from now where they look back and have some regrets about never pushing all the chips in the middle and really going for it.

The thing about the NHL is that the best team on paper rarely wins the Cup, it's really more about which teams are healthy and hot (esp. in net) at the right time. If you're in the mix as a top 5-10 team every year for 10+ years I think you've got a better chance of winning at least 1 Cup than if you're a top 2-3 team for 3 years and then miss the playoffs every year after. Not a perfect example but you get my gist. Of course they could wind up like the Sharks without a Cup but they could go all in and still end up without a Cup and then jeopardize the future doing so (i.e. Boston last year).

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

They’ve drafted more than twice as many players out of Russia since ownership changed hands and new management took over in 2018 than the franchise did in the 40 years before that.

Been trending up too:

5 this year, 4 last year, 2 in 2021, 3 in 2020, 2 in 2019, 1 in 2018

 

[VivaLasVegas]

The thing about the NHL is that the best team on paper rarely wins the Cup, it's really more about which teams are healthy and hot (esp. in net) at the right time. If you're in the mix as a top 5-10 team every year for 10+ years I think you've got a better chance of winning at least 1 Cup than if you're a top 2-3 team for 3 years and then miss the playoffs every year after. Not a perfect example but you get my gist. Of course they could wind up like the Sharks without a Cup but they could go all in and still end up without a Cup and then jeopardize the future doing so (i.e. Boston last year).

Some teams are built for the regular season and some teams are built for the playoffs. The regular season teams will almost always have the better stats.

Same with players: The are some very pretty regular-season skating princesses out there who have never seriously sniffed a Cup because they repeatedly underperform in the playoffs.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Some teams are built for the regular season and some teams are built for the playoffs. The regular season teams will almost always have the better stats.

Same with players: The are some very pretty regular-season skating princesses out there who have never seriously sniffed a Cup because they repeatedly underperform in the playoffs.

not even remotely relevant to my post

 

[Joe McGrath]

Please go look at historical betting favourites vs the field and come back to me. Vegas doesn’t set betting odds so they can lose money. The favourites are the favourites for a real reason and that is across ALL sports.

But please, enlighten me.

2023 Stanley Cup betting: Second-round, futures, Conn Smythe odds

Odds for the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs, futures, series lines, and Conn Smythe Trophy.

www.espn.com

As of May 15th, Canes were the favorite to win the Stanley Cup.

 

[tarheelhockey]

2023 Stanley Cup betting: Second-round, futures, Conn Smythe odds

Odds for the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs, futures, series lines, and Conn Smythe Trophy.

www.espn.com

As of May 15th, Canes were the favorite to win the Stanley Cup.

Oh damn

But wait, doesn’t that completely obliterate the point he was attempting to make?

 

[Dread Clawz]

You gotta admire their approach. They're gonna be scary talented in a few years with all the quality prospects they've amassed through the draft. And they won't be bogged down by expensive bloated contracts.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Oh damn

But wait, doesn’t that completely obliterate the point he was attempting to make?

It would, but he’s been watching Matt Murray tapes and has become an expert at moving the goalposts

 

[Siludin]

This is a great strategy for staying buoyant for a long time but at some point you need to tactically use a big player acquisition as make a statement to the roster and/or to inject them with the confidence they can get it done.
They run the risk of wasting the primes of their top players on 1st/2nd round exits if they don't go and make a Jack Eichel/Matt Tkachuk type of deal eventually imo.
That being said I think the Carolina model* is ideal, and they haven't exhausted the above option yet, so they still have some outs to push the needle if they want.

 

[Szechwan]

Please go look at historical betting favourites vs the field and come back to me. Vegas doesn’t set betting odds so they can lose money. The favourites are the favourites for a real reason and that is across ALL sports.

But please, enlighten me.

Looking forward to seeing Edmonton raise this bad boy in September

What a goofy hill to die on

 

[IamNotADancer]

Why is Toronto in that list?

At first I thought this was about recent cup winners compared to how Carolina approaches the draft but then you list Toronto.

Sure they were a strong team for a brief period but have nothing to show.

There are a ton of other teams with some strong years and nothing to show. What makes them different from Toronto to not be listed on here?

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Don't they tend to stay well under the cap too?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Don't they tend to stay well under the cap too?

Not at all. They spend to the cap every year.

You must be thinking back to the Karmanos years.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Not at all. They spend to the cap every year.

You must be thinking back to the Karmanos years.

Ah gotcha. I had it in my head because they keep accepting good players from time to time for free somehow so I assumed they always kept like 5 mill in reserve.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Ah gotcha. I had it in my head because they keep accepting good players from time to time for free somehow so I assumed they always kept like 5 mill in reserve.

When they do have space they have been finding some creative ways to use it up like offersheeting Kotkaniemi, trading for and buying out Marleau to get an extra first rounder etc.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Wtf how do they have that many prospects

Pass us some

 

[To Be Determined]

Wtf how do they have that many prospects

Pass us some

well, if you have open slots on your ahl affiliate we might have an opportunity to do something like that...

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Why is Toronto in that list?

At first I thought this was about recent cup winners compared to how Carolina approaches the draft but then you list Toronto.

Sure they were a strong team for a brief period but have nothing to show.

There are a ton of other teams with some strong years and nothing to show. What makes them different from Toronto to not be listed on here?

The criteria was teams coming out of a rebuild and then having an extended run of playoff appearances. I wanted to give context to the uniqueness of Carolina’s approach by comparing it to the behavior of other cap era teams that preceded the Canes on that path. The correlation with cups was merely coincidental in selecting the sample.

Toronto is at 7 years and counting. I included early St. Louis and pre-Trotz Washington as well.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I feel like Carolina's strategy is just to make the playoffs 30 years in a row and see what happens. Not a bad strategy in the long term.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I feel like Carolina's strategy is just to make the playoffs 30 years in a row and see what happens. Not a bad strategy in the long term.

That's been St. Louis' strategy basically the entire time Doug Armstrong has been in charge. I know that they're in somewhat of a down period right now, but it has gotten them a Stanley Cup and a bunch of winning seasons, so I'd say mission accomplished.