DaveG
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So which one of 2019 and 2023 was a booze induced hallucination for me?
Carolina - 50 picks since 2019
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DaveG
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No argument there. And it feels like a large part of the strategy is throwing darts at small skill guys that can develop into that if everything goes right.
Interestingly their best prospect is a hulking dman that's arguably the best defenseman not in the NHL, so... Task failed successfully?
Canes
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Dundon so cheap his plan is to fill all 50 contract slots with ELCs.
abo9
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If they continue being able to knock on the door it will happen
Canes have done very well overall, and much better than the teams of most of their critics. To a large extent, they've just had buzzard luck when it comes to injuries and particularly this last season starting with Patches tearing his Achilles and then Svechnikov's knee injury.
If I had any criticism of the Canes, it would be that they seem IMHO to be built more for the regular season than the playoffs.
If I had any criticism of the Canes, it would be that they seem IMHO to be built more for the regular season than the playoffs.
TheDawnOfANewTage
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I think posters saying “no cup” are missing the point.
From an organizational and fan perspective they’re winning. They get playoff revenue every year and they’re always in the hunt. Bad luck with injuries this year, they were arguably one of the top contenders, so you can’t claim it’s a flawed strategy that’ll always leave them short of the ultimate prize. We (should) all know simple luck plays a factor as well, repeat the process enough and the cards will fall your way one of these years.
Even if you don’t fully agree with that last point (and trust me, if you make playoffs for 30+ years odds are you’ll be the best at the right time at some point)- ok, they have a team perennially worth interest to their fans, and they always scoop up that extra revenue with playoffs. It’s working. I don’t even like the Canes, but saying “no cup!” Is such a simplistic argument.
From an organizational and fan perspective they’re winning. They get playoff revenue every year and they’re always in the hunt. Bad luck with injuries this year, they were arguably one of the top contenders, so you can’t claim it’s a flawed strategy that’ll always leave them short of the ultimate prize. We (should) all know simple luck plays a factor as well, repeat the process enough and the cards will fall your way one of these years.
Even if you don’t fully agree with that last point (and trust me, if you make playoffs for 30+ years odds are you’ll be the best at the right time at some point)- ok, they have a team perennially worth interest to their fans, and they always scoop up that extra revenue with playoffs. It’s working. I don’t even like the Canes, but saying “no cup!” Is such a simplistic argument.
Connor McConnor
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According to betting odds we had a better chance than Carolina, and that was the point. But hey, I guess those betting companies know less than you.
WarriorofTime
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They have never truly gone "all in" but in doing so have been able to extend their window out longer. Economically, a team that is "in the mix" probably does about as well gate-wise as one that is crash-coursed for the Cup, so perhaps that plays a factor? They have managed to avoid shooting themselves in the foot, but you wonder if it's gonna be a situation 10 years from now where they look back and have some regrets about never pushing all the chips in the middle and really going for it.
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Betting odds are based off what will get them the most money, not actual chances of winning
Finlandia WOAT
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They made the Conference Finals this year
Connor McConnor
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I’m glad I’m talking to someone who doesn’t understand betting odds. Continue on.
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No, you. Explain for us.
Bookkeepers' goals are (in nearly all cases) to get roughly even amounts on both sides of the ledger. This minimizes risk and the payout for the house is in the vigorish.
Connor McConnor
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Please go look at historical betting favourites vs the field and come back to me. Vegas doesn’t set betting odds so they can lose money. The favourites are the favourites for a real reason and that is across ALL sports.
But please, enlighten me.
Horse shit.
What have Chiarelli and Holland done special aside from "Draft Connor McDavid?"
EDM has had a "legit chance" a few times, but CAR is a paper tiger? 4 of the last 5 years, the legit contenders have gotten a 2+ week head start on the paper tigers in the summer golf circuit.
All this trading down hasn't actually resulted in a lot of production. Lorentz has a little something, Nicolas Roy has come good in VGK. Other than them, it's been their success in trades and repeatedly not-missing on high picks that has got CAR there.
Connor McConnor
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If you’re going to use the words horseshit, please tell me what year Carolina was close to winning a cup. They are supposedly the smartest team in the league yet their results suggest they are on par with about 8-10 other teams
Lines might START as a prediction of who the bookies think will win, but when betting goes live, the lines move to reflect what's being wagered. If the public bets heavily on a particular team, lines move to make that a less attractive bet (the potential payout lowers). Betting lines on things like season championships are a reflection of how the public is voting (to even up / spread the money out, like Bad News Bear said), it's not solely some expert prognostication of who's going to win.
They had a legit chance a couple times.
Connor McConnor
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Not arguing with what you’re saying at all but the fact is Edmonton had better betting odds to win the Cup than Carolina the entire postseason until they ran into the juggernaut Knights (even then Edmonton was favoured going into g1). Context is important here. Bookies never thought Carolina had a real chance.
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Right, the bold is consistent with what I wrote.
Reread what I actually wrote instead of what you would have preferred that I wrote.
bert
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They're the opposite of the sens. Suck and have no picks. Negative asset management compared to positive. As a team and how they function they kinda remind me of the sens circa 1997 to 2006.
Derailed75
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Odds makers make odds to get more bets not just to predict a winner.
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Nashville Predators eastern edition. Always good but also somehow usually not actually a threat.
People saying no Championships and yes that would be huge. Although to a market like Carolina being good year after year and playing 2-3 playoff series is massive for them, their market and their financials.
Cardiac Jerks
Asinine & immoral
Ya, that’s not how it works. The cup is obviously the ultimate prize but there are more ways to measure success.
