Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR/MTL] Habs accept Kotkaniemi offer sheet (1 year, $6.1M), 2022 1st, 2022 3rd [Part III]
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kp61c
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And? Next year you either make a qo at $6M or he is a free agent. His trade value is zero.
tarheelhockey
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That’s ignoring the option of skipping the QO and signing him to a longer term contract.
The guy is not stupid, he knows he’s not getting $6M on the open market. If Carolina offers him something comparable to a market value contract he will likely sign it, knowing that the Canes won’t hesitate to walk away from him (and aren’t a team that needs to be tested when it comes to that stuff). For all intents and purposes, the QO option only exists on-paper. It won’t actually happen and he’d be a fool to act like it will.
If he won’t sign that with the Canes for whatever reason, there’s no reason they can’t trade his negotiating rights to a team that could close the deal.
Either way, QO is much less of an issue than it’s made out to be.
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Or he's free to make his own decision to sign long term for less than that AAV if he likes the fit. And he seems to like the fit given how he knows he wouldn't be making the Cup finals again anytime soon with his former team. Now will he hold out to make less than 6 AAV long term? Who knows, especially given the abysmal nature of Montreal educating their young players which is what helped lead to Kotkaniemi signing here.
AFAIK, a QO wouldn't be the only option for the new team either. And the QO isn't automatically the OS salary, and it's also impacted by whether the arbitration is initiated by the player or the club. I've seen a detailed explanation of it but don't remember it all that well, so look it up somewhere else. Anyway it's more complex than simply $6m or free agency.
WatchfulElm
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KK is basically a free agent right now.
The only "rights" the Canes have on him is :
1- The right to re-sign him at 6,1 M
2- A few months more than the other teams to negociate a more reasonable deal
But if KK doesn't produce in Carolina, or if his goal is still to play center, then it's totally in KK's interest not to accept anything below the QO from Carolina, hit the free market, and have a few teams betting on his potential to make a more interesting offer than what the Canes would do.
The only "rights" the Canes have on him is :
1- The right to re-sign him at 6,1 M
2- A few months more than the other teams to negociate a more reasonable deal
But if KK doesn't produce in Carolina, or if his goal is still to play center, then it's totally in KK's interest not to accept anything below the QO from Carolina, hit the free market, and have a few teams betting on his potential to make a more interesting offer than what the Canes would do.
didimentionlarseller
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4-1 win but Kotka is somehow the only Hurricane player that ends up a-1 on the scoresheet yikes
Nikishin Go Boom
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Trying hard to drag JK down. Really enjoying how much it bothers people.
This isn’t about this season. The system takes months to get used to so its pretty easy to imagine the newest top 9 forward is playing the least amount of minutes of top 9 players.
This is a long term play anyways. He’ll get his 30-35 points this season and have a full off-season to work on his skating. Year 2 in the system with smoother skating will start his climb.
This isn’t about this season. The system takes months to get used to so its pretty easy to imagine the newest top 9 forward is playing the least amount of minutes of top 9 players.
This is a long term play anyways. He’ll get his 30-35 points this season and have a full off-season to work on his skating. Year 2 in the system with smoother skating will start his climb.
Habs Halifax
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Same offensive and defensive zone starts vs Montreal last year and his Corsi is lower this year with the Canes. 12:25 min of ice time this year vs 14:48 with the Habs last year.
Habs Halifax
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So he works on skating his entire time with the Habs and after one year with the Canes, his skating gets smoother? What do you think he does different?
Habs Halifax
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Who's going to trade value for a underperforming top 5 pick who will be pushing for $4M+ in a flat cap?
Nikishin Go Boom
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It would only be his 2nd full off season to fix it. You aren’t tearing a guy down and starting over while asking him to play in one full season and 2 abbreviated ones.
in short, having time is the only difference.
Habs Halifax
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His time to improve skating doesn't start just with his time with the Canes. At this stage, it's a dream to expect him to be an above average skater. Skill and Vision is there though but skating and edge work might hold him back. By the time he matures, he might be 25+
Modern day version of Jason Arnott at best.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Having average skating with his shot and IQ will make him worth the offer sheet through his prime. Don’t need to “dream” about above average skating.
Habs Halifax
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Hope is not a plan. And the plan is to win now and moving forward before you have to give Aho a monster contract. Basically, the Canes spent all their cap space on a guy that will put up 30+ pts during contending years.
I'm pretty sure the plan was to expect well north of 30 pts this year. Habs keep on the same type of hope with KK during his 3 years and if we were talking your narrative, other fans would call us dreamers.
lol i cant tell if this is sarcasm? palette ou lame d'un baton is the blade of a stick in french, not a foot
Is the bolded part quoted somewhere as fact? I know us Habs fans like to bitch and moan about our development, but do you have a quote/reputable source to support this? I think Kotka was developing just fine with us. Had an excellent playoffs. Hell, he developed enough, for you guys to sign him for 6.1. At what point does the development also fall on the player? Perhaps some of the Habs woes is in drafting players above their pedigree as opposed to developing players.
Habs Halifax
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Age 20 should have been KK's first season, not age 18. That was the Habs error and it was a decision made a few months after when they drafted him as a "long term Center" solution. We basically rag dolled his development and didn't allow him to dominate a development league prior to the NHL. Terrible asset management
However, you touched on something that I agree with. Even though we rushed him, he should still have improved year to year which he has not. Looking at stats is one thing but he is a risk out there with his skating and he can get lost in d converge. Development is mostly on the players IMO. The team can only do so much
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Im pretty sure you haven’t read any of my posts because your responses are missing the mark.
This is a long term play, his play this season isn’t as important. Keep passing that narrative in hopes that it sticks.
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Nikishin Go Boom
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Im just enjoying how much this bothers everyone and how you can’t stand that the Canes are okay with him being a non factor this season.Just cause I don't agree with you, it don't mean I didn't read your narratives.
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So you're saying the Canes will overpay him on extension?
If I was KK and I don't get a 6$ million QO from Canes I would just wait until UFA. It's better to negotiate a contract with 32 teams instead of 1. Unless the Canes give me another overpay contract.
tarheelhockey
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You and me and everyone else understands that he’s getting something in the $3M-$4M range on his next contract.
He can take that deal with the Canes or he can take it elsewhere. Why would he take it elsewhere if they’re offering it to him straight up? I don’t know. That’s his decision to make, much like his decision to take a QO rather than stay in Montreal.
Canes are not obligated to do anything and neither is he. If he leaves, then it is what it is. Canes understood that when they signed the QO.
GIN ANTONIC
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Hamilton, Gardiner, Trochek, Fast… there are lots of examples of players the Canes acquired that didn’t quite gel with the system right away. Whether it took 1 full year or a partial season, they eventually did get it and results were to follow.
There are examples like Dzingel who was a square peg in a round hole and just couldn’t ever get it going.
Kotka reminds me a bit of Trochek when he came over in the trade and was still bothered by injury. Doing all the right things but timings wasn’t there and wasn’t getting results on the scoresheet. Once he got up to speed and found chemistry with linemates he was and is an extremely important part of the team and a key producer.
There’s a lot of talk about the Finn line but I like the chemistry Kotka is developing with Tro and Necas from what I’ve seen.
Svech - Aho - TT
KK - Tro - Necas
Nino - Staal - Fast
That looks pretty damn good to me.
There are examples like Dzingel who was a square peg in a round hole and just couldn’t ever get it going.
Kotka reminds me a bit of Trochek when he came over in the trade and was still bothered by injury. Doing all the right things but timings wasn’t there and wasn’t getting results on the scoresheet. Once he got up to speed and found chemistry with linemates he was and is an extremely important part of the team and a key producer.
There’s a lot of talk about the Finn line but I like the chemistry Kotka is developing with Tro and Necas from what I’ve seen.
Svech - Aho - TT
KK - Tro - Necas
Nino - Staal - Fast
That looks pretty damn good to me.
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