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It's not for the future. It's for revenge. Simple as that. If the Habs don't offersheet Aho, KK isn't even on Carolina's mind. Wouldn't be surprised if he leaves in the offseason.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR/MTL] Habs accept Kotkaniemi offer sheet (1 year, $6.1M), 2022 1st, 2022 3rd [Part III]
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In no world is Brind'Amour limiting Kotkaniemi's minutes to try to work his contract ask down for next year. That is as asinine as it sounds.
We are a deep team, and so it's hard to make the top line. Kotkaniemi has played well, but he is not a better winger than Necas, Svechnikov, and Teravainen right now. He's played roughly as well as Niederreiter, which is good but not superb. We also play a system which usually takes players some time to get used to. Skjei and Trocheck didn't look great when we first acquired them, but they do look great now. I think he'll be fine, but it will be a question of whether he is worth the 1st and 3rd cost to acquire him. Only time will tell.
We are a deep team, and so it's hard to make the top line. Kotkaniemi has played well, but he is not a better winger than Necas, Svechnikov, and Teravainen right now. He's played roughly as well as Niederreiter, which is good but not superb. We also play a system which usually takes players some time to get used to. Skjei and Trocheck didn't look great when we first acquired them, but they do look great now. I think he'll be fine, but it will be a question of whether he is worth the 1st and 3rd cost to acquire him. Only time will tell.
And you seem to not understand that the the OS is a one year, player friendly deal. KK wasn’t happy playing 15 mins a night in MTL, you think he is going to take a long term team friendly deal to play bottom 6 mins when he has to be qualified at 6mm or walk right to FA?
tarheelhockey
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@saraciv420 published an excellent article (here) in the Athletic yesterday which provides some insight into the Canes’ social media team behind the scenes.
It included this bit from Marketing VP Mike Forman:
Forman: So that was a Saturday last August. I was at Canes Crew tryouts, and I get a text from Don to me and (vice president of communications and team services) Mike Sundheim at 11 a.m., being like, “Hey do you have 10 minutes?” That is not a common Saturday morning text from Don. So both Sunny and I are like, “Of course.” So he calls us and tells us something might be going down. He’s like: “Well, we’ve been trying to acquire Jesperi Kotkaniemi via trade, and it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. If that doesn’t happen, there’s a chance we offer-sheet him.”
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Forman: I’m still at the pool with my family. It’s a random Saturday in August, remember. Don calls me and goes, “Yeah, it’s going down. We’re doing this. Do you think we can have fun with this?” I’m like, “Hell yeah, we can have fun with this.” We had some ideas of how to do it, with the dollar amounts and the signing bonus. Collectively, between PR, marketing, Tom and Don, we decided to just go all-in on it. We called out the Aho signing bonus, what we thought would be Kotkaniemi’s number 15. Everyone just kind of said, “Yeah, let’s go for it.”
Kotkaniemi’s offer sheet was announced on a Saturday afternoon, presumably on the same day that this conversation took place. So this tells us two things:
1) The OS really was a followup to trade talks which broke down.
2) The petty references to the Aho OS were the result last-second brainstorming while the paperwork was being signed, not some grand scheme that took over a year to cook up.
It included this bit from Marketing VP Mike Forman:
Forman: So that was a Saturday last August. I was at Canes Crew tryouts, and I get a text from Don to me and (vice president of communications and team services) Mike Sundheim at 11 a.m., being like, “Hey do you have 10 minutes?” That is not a common Saturday morning text from Don. So both Sunny and I are like, “Of course.” So he calls us and tells us something might be going down. He’s like: “Well, we’ve been trying to acquire Jesperi Kotkaniemi via trade, and it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. If that doesn’t happen, there’s a chance we offer-sheet him.”
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Forman: I’m still at the pool with my family. It’s a random Saturday in August, remember. Don calls me and goes, “Yeah, it’s going down. We’re doing this. Do you think we can have fun with this?” I’m like, “Hell yeah, we can have fun with this.” We had some ideas of how to do it, with the dollar amounts and the signing bonus. Collectively, between PR, marketing, Tom and Don, we decided to just go all-in on it. We called out the Aho signing bonus, what we thought would be Kotkaniemi’s number 15. Everyone just kind of said, “Yeah, let’s go for it.”
Kotkaniemi’s offer sheet was announced on a Saturday afternoon, presumably on the same day that this conversation took place. So this tells us two things:
1) The OS really was a followup to trade talks which broke down.
2) The petty references to the Aho OS were the result last-second brainstorming while the paperwork was being signed, not some grand scheme that took over a year to cook up.
MYTH! You know that the Canes had been planning it for eons and millennia.. It couldn't POSSIBLY be due to a trade breakdown.. NO Chance
We need Vince McMahon here to show you what you don't know
(This post is a farce please treat it as such.. )
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The offer sheet was about him getting out of Montreal. Playing on a good team with a great coach probably doesn't hurt either.
It's been reported multiple times that the Canes tried to trade for him prior to going the offersheet route.
The marketing team just took full advantage of a wonderful opportunity
Of course it was about getting him out of Montreal. He was not happy with his usage,
He wanted to play C in the top 6.
There is no way he will be happy playing 12 a night, no matter how good the team or the coach is. Like I said before the season started, he is not good enough to run with top 6 line-mates today, at least in Carolina. Deal didn’t and doesn’t make sense for any of the parties. Good on KK for getting 6mm this year but not sure how a 10 goal
38 point season helps him longterm.
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According to some rumours, Canes first tried to acquire KK with a trade. Would had been a prospect like Bokk OR Suzuki OR a couple of lesser ones (all forwards) + TWO draft picks.... But were these two picks as good as a 1st and a 3rd like they had to give finally to Habs ? That we don't know.
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The two draft picks offered seemed to have been the 1st and 3rd round picks. So, technically, the Habs could have had Bokk or Suzuki along with the 1st and 3rd round picks and avoided the offer-sheet.
That said, I'm happy things worked out the way they did, because that offer-sheet was f***ing hilarious. You snooze, you lose.
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If KK keeps playing 12-13 minutes per game as a LW on Canes' third line.... Habs are winning !
If KK doesn’t like his usage in Carolina this season he can always hold firm on getting his QO of $6.015 mill. If he doesn’t get it he becomes a ufa at 22 and picks his destination.
so see how the rest of the season goes.
Worst case he still gets to be grossly overpaid or he becomes a ufa with a chance to pick a better situation himself.
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12 mins with Aho and Teravainen is better than 18 mins with Lehkonen and Armia.
InfinityIggy
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It's only been four games but what is interesting is his ice time has increased in each successive game. Might be worth waiting to see how many minutes a night he settles in at..
Logic, something a lot of people in this thread are lacking. These MTL fans are determined to be considered as the “winner” of the situation, so they’re going to nitpick at everything KK related.
But yes, as mentioned many times in all of these threads, we essentially did the same thing with Svechnikov his rookie season. We played him limited minutes up and down the roster until he was able to round out. Carolina’s doing the same thing with KK, with the hope that he can accelerate faster than Svech did considering he’s been in the league just as long. RBA is juggling his lines regardless despite the fact we’re averaging 4+ goals per game and we’re 4-0 because he feels like we could still be doing better.
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If he is not happy with the Canes, this is probably what he will do. I don't think he will sign a friendly deal if the Canes don't play him at C this year.
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There was never any chance he was going to play center unless someone got hurt. He could not have had an assumption he was playing center going in.
Not sure that is true for a young player. I think he’d be far better of learning the C position and carrying a line each night. And MTL has good wingers, he would have played with better players this year.
And for Carolina that pairing makes no sense. I get they are trying to get KK going but he physically can’t keep up with those guys.
Kotkaniemi just is not that good. Was massive overpay even at the time. Habs fleeced Canes in that trade.
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You're talking like he's some rental for this season only. But it's been pretty obvious Canes are hoping for either a Trochek or a Niederreiter replacement for the future. When you consider that, and that he must still adjusting to the team and the system, it makes more sense how he is played right at the moment (And in any case, more minutes are just one top-6 injury away. If he keeps playing well, that is.)
That explains the skating problem though.
I thought it was an issue with ankle flex but now is seems more serious. I trust there is surgery available for that condition?
KK for a 1st + 3rd ok, but KK at 6.1M was a no brainer to let him go for the habs. Specially considering you is QO would be even higher and you can't trade him for a year. The Canes just went full Kamikaze, only winner is KK and only monetary wise IMO.
Note that a QO after the season is only one of the options for Canes; they can extend him after Jan 1st, they can trade him at any time, they can let him walk. (And Kotkaniemi's agent is of course well aware of all this when considering his client's future.)
The trade prohibition only applies to the team that matches an OS; it's there simply to prevent the team punishing a player who signed an OS. So it would only have applied to Habs in this case; it doesn't apply to Canes.
I'm no expert on NHL rules but I hope this helped.
He doesn’t have much trade value with a $6 mill cap hit. But, that is an option, though an unlikely one.
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