Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[Hivemind]

Oshie is going to be hard to move at this point. Not impossible, and in the right circumstance he could still provide value, but difficult to line up that circumstance. For better or worse, they missed the opportunity to do the Seattle homecoming story at the expansion draft. That was their offramp with the Oshie contract, and they opted to keep going down the highway. But now other team's are looking at a 35 year old player that can't stay healthy at a $5.75M cap hit with 2 more seasons beyond this one on his contract. When he's on the ice he has the potential to bring a lot of leadership and opportunistic scoring. But he can't be trusted to stay on the ice. And as his skating has continued to decline, so has his two-way game. He still competes hard, but there's now a lot more risk associated with playing him in power-on-power match-ups and defensive assignments than there was earlier in his career.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Since I'm convinced this core is doomed, I'm all for keeping Oshie. He's a great dude who can be a good teacher to the youths, and I have no interest in sacrificing assets to move his contract. And he's hurt so often that he isn't blocking anyone.

If some contender wants to pick him up at a future TDL for a late pick and Osh want to chase another Cup, sure, move him then.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Since I'm convinced this core is doomed, I'm all for keeping Oshie. He's a great dude who can be a good teacher to the youths, and I have no interest in sacrificing assets to move his contract. And he's hurt so often that he isn't blocking anyone.

If some contender wants to pick him up at a future TDL for a late pick and Osh want to chase another Cup, sure, move him then.

I think this is a great outlook. It might also be the only choice that makes sense. I don’t want to pay to trade guys away either.

 

[g00n]

Some people must have amnesia if they think Oshie would be hard to move, especially at the TDL.

Teams are desperate for playoff help at the TDL and regardless of Oshie's sturdiness in the regular season he's proven to be a playoff warrior.

He'd fetch one of the higher prices for anyone likely to be on the block.

 

[Langway]

Another two seasons remaining on the contract will be the main obstacle. It's a lot of commitment to a 35 year-old that will have missed at least a fair portion of the season. I think they'll have to wait until that reported jump in the salary cap happens for it to become more attractive (even if he's just a LTIR salary floor avoidance asset by then). While he's still a boost to a PP he's likely more of a third-line RW at this stage and his pace generally isn't great. It's only more of a finishing touch move for a team sorely in need of his finishing ability.

As-is either way I doubt he moves at the deadline unless he comes back and is extremely productive. But if that were to happen they're likely happy to hang on to him. Mantha is the one you'd think would be more likely to go at the deadline among their non-rentals, esp. if teams covet his size.

 

[g00n]

Another two seasons remaining on the contract will be the main obstacle. It's a lot of commitment to a 35 year-old that will have missed at least a fair portion of the season. I think they'll have to wait until that reported jump in the salary cap happens for it to become more attractive (even if he's just a LTIR salary floor avoidance asset by then). While he's still a boost to a PP he's likely more of a third-line RW at this stage and his pace generally isn't great. It's only more of a finishing touch move for a team sorely in need of his finishing ability.

As-is either way I doubt he moves at the deadline unless he comes back and is extremely productive. But if that were to happen they're likely happy to hang on to him. Mantha is the one you'd think would be more likely to go at the deadline among their non-rentals, esp. if teams covet his size.

Mantha is definitely tradebait if they're sellers at the TDL.

I think if they really wanted to move Oshie they could work out fair value even with the remaining contract, but I also believe they see him as a heart and soul locker room guy that would be valuable in the locker room during a rebuild.

Recall for the previous rebuild they kept Witt and Olie for this reason.

 

[Peeri]

Yeah no, they absolutely don't need Oshie. They will already have Wilson and Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, and some of the D as the locker room guys, there is just no need for more previous vets in the room. If they really go for the rebuild guys like Oshie and Mantha should be first ones to go. Both carry big cap hits which neither of them justify on the ice. Being a good guy is not a valid reason.

 

[g00n]

Yeah no, they absolutely don't need Oshie. They will already have Wilson and Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, and some of the D as the locker room guys, there is just no need for more previous vets in the room. If they really go for the rebuild guys like Oshie and Mantha should be first ones to go. Both carry big cap hits which neither of them justify on the ice. Being a good guy is not a valid reason.

You think they'd rebuild around Kuznetsov but not Oshie?

I doubt they trade any of "the core", tbh. All those guys under contract for a few more years are likely staying put.

 

[Brian23]

I doubt they trade any of "the core", tbh. All those guys under contract for a few more years are likely staying put.

You're also not likely to get replacements at any cheaper cap hits or better performances. Carlson is really the only option, and that's mostly because we're hoping no one notices how poor he's been preforming.

I am curious what Orlov is going to command on his next contract though. I think 5.75 is maybe my ceiling with him, but with prices now a days I wonder if he gets north of 6 and if so how much.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Oshie is a glue guy. He will teach the youngesters how to be a pro.

 

[Corby78]

Yeah no, they absolutely don't need Oshie. They will already have Wilson and Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, and some of the D as the locker room guys, there is just no need for more previous vets in the room. If they really go for the rebuild guys like Oshie and Mantha should be first ones to go. Both carry big cap hits which neither of them justify on the ice. Being a good guy is not a valid reason.

Kuzy needs to go too. He doesn’t play but 1/4 of the games, isn’t going to be a good example to younger players, and honestly could fetch a nice haul coming back

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Kuzy needs to go too. He doesn’t play but 1/4 of the games, isn’t going to be a good example to younger players, and honestly could fetch a nice haul coming back

I’d move him in a heartbeat. If they want to tank, move him, put Strome at 1, CMM at 2.

Otherwise I would move him (and a lot of others) in a hockey trade tomorrow.

 

[Raikkonen]

Id like to see Lavi gone after season.

And some players traded at deadline for assets. Im not exactly seeing certain players go just wanting GMBM to sale some and not run a team like it has chances.

Its hard to believe in this roster. Maybe Wilson makes team a bit better but Backstrom wont, and I like him to be fully healed and to try to come back next season.

 

[Fred22406Capsfan]

Is this just better defense in front of them, new scheme, maybe something to prove? Where the hell were these #s?

 

[max21]

We’re just going through our Feb slump in November, everything is fine.

 

[g00n]

Is this just better defense in front of them, new scheme, maybe something to prove? Where the hell were these #s?

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1) Changing teams can change a person
2) Our defense is not good and hasn't been good since we lost our Cup roster

 

[tycoonheart]

Is this just better defense in front of them, new scheme, maybe something to prove? Where the hell were these #s?

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Shitty coaching.

 

[RedRocking]

1) Changing teams can change a person
2) Our defense is not good and hasn't been good since we lost our Cup roster

Let’s see how they do beyond ~ 10 games. We all know they can play well for stretches - Sammy during the first few months last year, VV during the Spring.

Longer term consistency has always been the issue.

Maybe this is an indictment of Scott Murray. Toronto’s blue line is pretty lousy, and I don’t think NJ’s is any better than ours.

In any event, good for VV playing well on a fun, young team. Sammy, I have a harder time rooting for because he was so maddening to watch, and his questionable off the ice shenanigans seemed to contribute to him being a waste of a 1st rounder.

 

[crazy8888]

Why all this talk about Oshie? Durability aside he is very popular in the locker room, around the fanbase and most importantly my wife. As someone else mentioned he almost always shows up in the playoffs.
The obvious choice here is Mantha and his 6'5 frame which he uses to gently lean on opponents in the corners.
He is not the player we all thought he would be and im sure management had higher expectations are well.
I say move him for nothing or at the worst case throw in a low pick or something. Free up the cap space to use on someone who is at least somewhat familiar with the word intensity

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

 

[g00n]

My expectations for this team have been low since the Gonchar turnover to Straka

 

[Hivemind]

Is this just better defense in front of them, new scheme, maybe something to prove? Where the hell were these #s?

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Scott Murray

 

[EroCaps]

Bite the dust for Bedard.

Muerte for Michkov.

f*** for Fantilli.

 

[Drakon]

I don’t think NJ’s is any better than ours.

It's significantly better defensively.

 

[Capsman]

Shitty coaching.

Watching what Korn did for Holtby and watching what Oates did to Holtby, I'm a believer in goalie coaching.