Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

[Melvin]

IMO, you can't separate the trade from the signing. They have to be looked at together. The Canucks chose to trade a pick in order to sign this player to this contract as opposed to signing like Derrick Brassard or someone as a UFA and not surrender a pick. Whether or not this is a good strategy we will see.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

I would grade this as about a C+, nothing special. Hope he can generate some surplus value, but worry about him becoming an offensive blackhole and being shifted to less valuable winger position.

It’s very meh. Benning finally realized not to give out NMC anymore but he’s giving bums and barely NHL players 3/4 year deals. That’s insane for the Poolmans and Dickensons

 

[PG Canuck]

I’m so indifferent on this player. His defense better be good because I’m fully expecting offense to die on his stick.

 

[Hit the post]

Yes the Dallas media pundits were predicting exactly 2.65 funny enough.

Solid deal for a solid player. Big Fan of the player and was really happy we were able to acquire him which may have cost a lot more or not been possible if the expansion protection issue wasn't happening.

A lot of the Stars fans wanted to keep him over Faksa. This fanbase is about to discover why

Depends on how he's used imho. If he ends up just as a winger, leaving Horvat yet AGAIN to handle the tough defensive assignments, I'm not so sure.

 

[bandwagonesque]

IMO, you can't separate the trade from the signing. They have to be looked at together. The Canucks chose to trade a pick in order to sign this player to this contract as opposed to signing like Derrick Brassard or someone as a UFA and not surrender a pick. Whether or not this is a good strategy we will see.

All players have contracts. That's how they're paid. If anything, it makes more sense than usual to separate the player from the contract he eventually signed in this case because at the time of the trade he didn't have one, and his value at the time therefore reflected the breadth of possibilities of contracts he might sign depending on the acumen of the team that acquired him rather than a contract he already had.

Regarding alternatives like Brassard ... okay? All courses of action are chosen in the presence of alternatives. All failures to change course are as well. There's no personnel decision to which this couldn't be applied.

 

[deckercky]

It’s very meh. Benning finally realized not to give out NMC anymore but he’s giving bums and barely NHL players 3/4 year deals. That’s insane for the Poolmans and Dickensons

Dickenson and Poolman are very different signings. Dickenson is signed for who he is, while Poolman was signed for who he could be. Dickenson is much more likely to provide value to the team than Poolman.

 

[BWJM]

Dickinson seems like the kinda player/personality that will fit in well with this team. I don't mind the 3 years.

Hopefully Horvat gives him some faceoff lessons and all should be okay.

 

[Sneezy]

Dickenson and Poolman are very different signings. Dickenson is signed for who he is, while Poolman was signed for who he could be. Dickenson is much more likely to provide value to the team than Poolman.

Well said, I am keeping my fingers and legs crossed on Poolman, hopefully there is something there that we can't see.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Dickenson and Poolman are very different signings. Dickenson is signed for who he is, while Poolman was signed for who he could be. Dickenson is much more likely to provide value to the team than Poolman.

You don’t tie up 8 million dollars over 3 years for a player that scores at a level that you could get from one of your AHL players at league minimum.

you could get Dickensons 6 goals from Nic Petan or Matthew Highmore with no term and league minimum.

 

[bandwagonesque]

You don’t tie up 8 million dollars over 3 years for a player that scores at a level that you could get from one of your AHL players at league minimum.

you could get Dickensons 6 goals from Nic Petan or Matthew Highmore with no term and league minimum.

Your post seems to be predicated on the idea that Dickinson is no more valuable than Petan or Highmore. Do you actually believe this to be true?

 

[notsocommonsense]

Depends on how he's used imho. If he ends up just as a winger, leaving Horvat yet AGAIN to handle the tough defensive assignments, I'm not so sure.

I can’t think of any reason to use him as a W unless we run into massive injury issues. . . He’s pretty much written in ink as our 3rd line C so I’m not sure where this worry is coming from

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I don’t get the confusion as to who and what Dickinson is

if we wanna go down the route of But Petan But Highmore we should also go down the route of But Sutter

this is a good player at a good cap hit and maybe the most balanced signing, acquisition cost, role and projection we have on the team

 

[dbaz]

You don’t tie up 8 million dollars over 3 years for a player that scores at a level that you could get from one of your AHL players at league minimum.

you could get Dickensons 6 goals from Nic Petan or Matthew Highmore with no term and league minimum.

yea but youd also get giveaways galore and horrible possession/defense compared to dickinson.
theres a reason petan cant stick in the nhl, and why highmore has been a 4th liner/ahl callup

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Oh, okay.



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https://thehockeywriters.com/washington-capitals-ideal-fourth-line/


Breaking down the Caps' new fourth line roster battle


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That last one is an excerpt posted on his profile on the agency representing him's own website.

I’ll reply to this because someone should, and it sure ain’t gonna be the person it’s directed at

 

[RobertKron]

I’ll reply to this because someone should, and it sure ain’t gonna be the person it’s directed at

All of that isn't even mentioning that Beagle was 12th among Caps forwards in EVTOI/GP in the 17/18 regular season and playoffs. The f*** other line was he supposedly playing on?

 

[F A N]

IMO, you can't separate the trade from the signing. They have to be looked at together. The Canucks chose to trade a pick in order to sign this player to this contract as opposed to signing like Derrick Brassard or someone as a UFA and not surrender a pick. Whether or not this is a good strategy we will see.

I agree that you can't separate the trade from the signing because like Garland, the Canucks knew the price of signing the player going in.

I think if you did a quick look of the UFA market, there weren't that many options. There's been plenty of discussion over potential 3rd line C options and pretty much every option I've seen were trade options.

Players like Dickinson are best acquired through the draft. That's where the not having the Gaunce, McCann, Gaudette, and Madden picks pan out for the team hurts. Regardless, on its face, trading a 3rd for Dickinson is fine. I think in most years if our 3rd round pick developed into a Dickinson like player we would all be pretty happy and would be considered a good pick. Certainly, if Lockwood could develop into a Dickinson like player most of us would be content with that.

I think that targeting a relatively young player that the team likes, acquiring him for a reasonable price, and signing him to a reasonable contract with some term (or on a good contract) is usually a good strategy. The key is to have that player meet or exceed expectations, otherwise it doesn't matter how you acquired that player. The strategy is usually better than overpaying on the UFA market.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

All of that isn't even mentioning that Beagle was 12th among Caps forwards in EVTOI/GP in the 17/18 regular season and playoffs. The f*** other line was he supposedly playing on?

I kinda just wonder how you watch Jay Beagle play on this team’s fourth line and believe he played higher in the lineup on a Cup winner.

 

[JAK]

Not going to quote everyone as I'm on mobile

My point was that Beagle wasn't a fourth line plug. He played defensive game, great a faceoffs, he was behind a strong Capitals offensive team.

He was playing 12-14 minutes a night, PK, defensive role, he wasn't a 6 minute plug on the fourth line.

Beagle was signed to insulate Horvat, Gagner and Pettersson if he made it to the team. So the offensive guys can go play offense.

Had Pettersson not exploded the way he did, the signing would have been on a perfect timeline, IMO.

Injuries sucks, but no one could have predicted that. Beagle might have an extra year, but that was the cost to sign an UFA.

I still stand by what I said, Benning knew what he was doing, but his plan got messed up because he didn't anticipate the growth and development of multiple Calder level rookies, and Hoglander too.

This Dickinson signing, where Benning wanted term and the agent side didn't, kept this negotiation going longer.
We can judge this signing later, again, like most HF Canucks who judge things as if they can time travel.
But at this moment of signing, the cap hit is less than an average player ($81.5m ÷ 25? Players = $3.26m) and we still have people complain that he was overpaid by $0.5m ???

This was a great RFA signing. Someone who has playoff experience with the Stars, plays a defensive role, and is age aligned with our core.

 

[m9]

In a perfect world, Dickinson would have been the Pearson replacement as the 3rd line LW. We would have gotten multiple assets for Pearson at the deadline and then replaced him with a younger, cheaper version with a lower acquisition cost in Dickinson.

I'm still hopeful he'll be a good fit. Will be interesting what lines they start the year with.

 

[timw33]

he didn't anticipate the growth and development of multiple Calder level rookies,

"Damn this 19 year old just torched the SHL, set multiple records, and won literally every award available to him, he probably needs a bit of seasoning."

 

[timw33]

I’m so indifferent on this player. His defense better be good because I’m fully expecting offense to die on his stick.

I think this is where most of us are at—just praying that the defensive metrics he put up over the last few years continue and don't get blown up on the Canucks.

 

[JAK]

"Damn this 19 year old just torched the SHL, set multiple records, and won literally every award available to him, he probably needs a bit of seasoning."

Damn, can this kid who looks like he could use a few years to put on muscle withstand the punishment of the league on smaller ice?

The question about Pettersson and Hughes wasn't about their ability. It was about whether they can withstand the punishment of the most punishing major sports league.

 

[F A N]

Not going to quote everyone as I'm on mobile

My point was that Beagle wasn't a fourth line plug. He played defensive game, great a faceoffs, he was behind a strong Capitals offensive team.

He was playing 12-14 minutes a night, PK, defensive role, he wasn't a 6 minute plug on the fourth line.

Beagle was signed to insulate Horvat, Gagner and Pettersson if he made it to the team. So the offensive guys can go play offense.

Had Pettersson not exploded the way he did, the signing would have been on a perfect timeline, IMO.

Injuries sucks, but no one could have predicted that. Beagle might have an extra year, but that was the cost to sign an UFA.

I still stand by what I said, Benning knew what he was doing, but his plan got messed up because he didn't anticipate the growth and development of multiple Calder level rookies, and Hoglander too.

I think the price for Beagle went up for the Canucks and they made the decision to throw in an extra year to get the player to sign. Comparatively, Derek Ryan and Riley Nash signed 3 year deals.

This Dickinson signing, where Benning wanted term and the agent side didn't, kept this negotiation going longer.
We can judge this signing later, again, like most HF Canucks who judge things as if they can time travel.
But at this moment of signing, the cap hit is less than an average player ($81.5m ÷ 25? Players = $3.26m) and we still have people complain that he was overpaid by $0.5m ???

This was a great RFA signing. Someone who has playoff experience with the Stars, plays a defensive role, and is age aligned with our core.

It seems ridiculous to me that even Stars fans were expecting Dickinson's AAV to be more than $3M on a 4+ year term. But it is what it is. Certainly the AAV would be lower on a 2 year deal that walked Dickinson to UFA but I think 3 years is idea. If Dickinson puts up two good seasons he'll be an asset in his last year.

 

[Hit the post]

I think this is where most of us are at—just praying that the defensive metrics he put up over the last few years continue and don't get blown up on the Canucks.

How much time did he spend as a winger vs center on Dallas?

 

[bandwagonesque]

How much time did he spend as a winger vs center on Dallas?

I can't find this information, although it is possible to see his most common line combinations in order of prominence and where he played on those lines. He performed extremely well in a shutdown centre role in the playoffs when Radek Faska was injured.