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Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

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Billy Kvcmu said:
Cap friendly retweeted Drance ‘a tweet so no trade protections at all

It’s quite scary how some ppl will jump to the worst conclusion even when it was stated other wise
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Cap Friendly retweeting something is cool, but someone taking something directly from Cap Friendly isn't?

That's what happened there. The NTC was listed on CF for a moment before being removed.
 
Javaman said:
So, a recent Cup finalist decided that Dickinson wasn't worth $2.65M in salary versus a 3 round draft pick who is most likely to not become an NHL player?

I mean, that's one way of looking at the deal.
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Seems like Dallas figured they were going to lose Dickinson in the Expansion draft

... so they traded him for what they could get.

July 17, 2021: Dickinson traded to the Vancouver Canucks.

July 21, 2017: Seattle Expansion Draft.
 
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If he's an effective third liner/penalty killer, getting 15+ minutes a game, this is fine. It should also be his peak years, so pretty low risk of falloff.
 
Strangelove said:
Seems like Dallas figured they were going to lose Dickinson in the Expansion draft

... so they traded him for what they could get.

July 17, 2021: Dickinson traded to the Vancouver Canucks.

July 21, 2017: Seattle Expansion Draft.
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It didn't take a massive amount of foresight to predict where JD's salary would end up. My point was that the Canucks signed JD long after the expansion draft, and his expected salary range was very predictable. $2.65M seems at the very high end of the range for the role/calibre of player JD is expected to be. Benning doesn't really have the leeway to get this one wrong, IMO.

Like I said, this is potentially a relative win for Benning, provided JD performs at the level I've previously described in this thread.
 
Javaman said:
My point was that the Canucks signed JD long after the expansion draft, and his expected salary range was very predictable.
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Are you sure that was your point?

Because these were your words:

"So, a recent Cup finalist decided that Dickinson wasn't worth $2.65M in salary versus a 3 round draft pick who is most likely to not become an NHL player?"

:skeptic:
 
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Finally this deal is done! I'm a bit mixed on the whole deal.

I like the term. It was either a one year or 3 year deal for me and I preferred 3 years. We gave up a 3rd for him so I don't mind doubling down and committing to some term. The Canucks had similar thinking here.

The AAV is a bit rich but is right where it was projected. It really is tied to the player Dickinson is and role he will play going forward. That's kind of the question mark. He did play a 3rd line C role in Dallas' Cup run two seasons ago. Last season, Dallas fielded a crap lineup and he played anywhere from 4th line C to top line C to top 6 LW. It seemed like he either centered Benn or was centered by Benn a lot last season. Dallas fans seem to think he's a solid player but nothing special. Not a player many were sad losing.

He doesn't have the offensive production to justify a top 6 role. The flat cap has hit bottom 6 players hard with many teams trying to save money there. In the old days, a Blake Comeau or Antoine Roussel type 3rd line player can get that ~$2.5M AAV contract. Today? It's a bit of a hit and miss. Zach Aston-Reese got $1.725M but he goes straight to UFA (too bad we couldn't sign him). Zachary Sandford got $2M, he too goes straight to UFA. Foegele got $2.75M but he's perceived to have higher offensive upside (he's also less of a C).

If he is the team's 3rd line C and can do a good job in that role then he'll offer enough value for his contract. If he's a 4th line C or unproductive winger (anywhere) then he'll be overpaid. The good thing is that we are getting his prime years so even if he is merely a defensive specialist he's likely going to be utilized up and down the lineup playing 15-16 minutes as a low event player.
 
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Javaman said:
All of this happened after the expansion draft.
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No it didn't.

We acquired Dickinson on the 17th and the expansion draft was on the 21st.

We protected Dickinson. NHL Expansion Draft protected list for Kraken released

Dallas decided that losing Oleksiak + Dickinson and getting a 3rd back was better than just losing Dickinson and getting nothing back. Their value judgement was that moving Oleksiak for a 3rd was a good move, because Dickinson was gone either way.
 
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CloutierForVezina said:
No it didn't.

We acquired Dickinson on the 17th and the expansion draft was on the 21st.

We protected Dickinson. NHL Expansion Draft protected list for Kraken released

Dallas decided that losing Oleksiak + Dickinson and getting a 3rd back was better than just losing Dickinson and getting nothing back.
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Dickinson applied for arbitration after the expansion draft. The Canucks signed him after the expansion draft. That was my point.

His salary range was not some random, impossible-to-grasp value. Benning ultimately chose to set that value, rather than have an arbitrator do it. That value seems a bit high to me, but it's possible JD turns out to be worth it.
 
That site or person that predicts contracts pretty much nailed this one. As has been said, going to come down to what his role and effectiveness is. Not doing cart wheels over this deal, but not feeling an urge to throw my phone either.
 
F A N said:
Huh? :huh:

“"So, a recent Cup finalist decided that Dickinson wasn't worth $2.65M in salary versus a 3 round draft pick who is most likely to not become an NHL player?"
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Not sure what more I can say to clarify.

So I'm just going to claim victory, I guess.:DD
 
Under three million for multiple years? I'm fine with that based on what I saw from him in Dallas. If it came cheaper, all the better, but this isn't a bad deal.
 
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Not a bad deal, not a good deal. I like the 3 years and free to move him. Was hoping for 2.4 or lower so close enough for me not to complain. Hopefully he takes and runs with the 3C spot and puts up 20 points and adds to the pk
 
CloutierForVezina said:
No it didn't.

We acquired Dickinson on the 17th and the expansion draft was on the 21st.

We protected Dickinson. NHL Expansion Draft protected list for Kraken released

Dallas decided that losing Oleksiak + Dickinson and getting a 3rd back was better than just losing Dickinson and getting nothing back. Their value judgement was that moving Oleksiak for a 3rd was a good move, because Dickinson was gone either way.
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I will say people are jumping to a conclusion that Seattle would even take Dickinson. Obviously they really liked Oleksiak and it's possible they just would pick him to lock him in like they did Larsson. Dickinson being picked was certainly not a guarantee.
 
m9 said:
I will say people are jumping to a conclusion that Seattle would even take Dickinson. Obviously they really liked Oleksiak and it's possible they just would pick him to lock him in like they did Larsson. Dickinson being picked was certainly not a guarantee.
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That is true, and Seattle definitely did take some... interesting choices. However the timing of the trade strongly suggests that Dallas was convinced they were losing Dickinson. Otherwise there was no rush to move him, they could have waited until the draft or after UFA period opens up. They also would have been able to trade him anywhere, and not just to a market with an extra protection slot available.

It seems likely that Dallas thought he was gone, which is all the information we need to analyze the trade from Dallas' perspective.
 
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