Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

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It's basically exactly what was expected. Solid C+ grade.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Guys got 25 goals in 260 nhl games. He’s a 20 point forward who’s shit at face offs. Not sure you need to go 3 years with a player you can get in FA literally every year.

 

[JAK]

I love how people shit on anything Benning does.

Remember when Beagle was signed and people were like, 1 year too long, but AAV is fine.

Now we have a younger version of Beagle compared to when he was signed, lower cap% compared to when he was signed, shorter contract. And people still complained like hell.

This was a great signing as long as Dickinson keeps bringing his defensive play.

 

[Ita]

I love how people shit on anything Benning does.

Remember when Beagle was signed and people were like, 1 year too long, but AAV is fine.

Actually I think most felt that it was an overpayment for a 4th liner, so you are just making stuff up.

 

[JAK]

Actually I think most felt that it was an overpayment for a 4th liner, so you are just making stuff up.

Beagle was not a 4th liner at the time of signing. coming right off a cup win, was playing 12-14 minutes a night.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Are you sure that was your point?

Because these were your words:

"So, a recent Cup finalist decided that Dickinson wasn't worth $2.65M in salary versus a 3 round draft pick who is most likely to not become an NHL player?"

It wasn't his point, but he showed his ass on this one and won't fess up to it.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Guys got 25 goals in 260 nhl games. He’s a 20 point forward who’s shit at face offs. Not sure you need to go 3 years with a player you can get in FA literally every year.

Tell me you don't know how to watch hockey and make all of your judgments by looking at stats without just saying the words.

 

[MarkMM]

I love how people shit on anything Benning does.

Remember when Beagle was signed and people were like, 1 year too long, but AAV is fine.

Now we have a younger version of Beagle compared to when he was signed, lower cap% compared to when he was signed, shorter contract. And people still complained like hell.

This was a great signing as long as Dickinson keeps bringing his defensive play.

Nope, you're way off there.

Beagle was called an idiotic signing by many here, and we were right.

Dickinson is an okay signing, and valid questions are being raised about whether he was a product of his environment and we're paying a bit too much, but those are just honest questions on a discussion board.

 

[m9]

That is true, and Seattle definitely did take some... interesting choices. However the timing of the trade strongly suggests that Dallas was convinced they were losing Dickinson. Otherwise there was no rush to move him, they could have waited until the draft or after UFA period opens up. They also would have been able to trade him anywhere, and not just to a market with an extra protection slot available.

It seems likely that Dallas thought he was gone, which is all the information we need to analyze the trade from Dallas' perspective.

Oh for sure, I get Dallas' reasoning for the trade. I just think going into the expansion draft the assumption was they would be lose Dickinson but after seeing it actually play out I'm not as sure. Anyways, not a big deal either way.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Beagle was not a 4th liner at the time of signing. coming right off a cup win, was playing 12-14 minutes a night.

He played behind Backstrom, Kuznetsov, and Lars Eller in Washington. In Vancouver, he was signed to play behind EP, Horvat, and Sutter. So yes he was a 4th liner at the time and pretty sure has always been one.

 

[deckercky]

Beagle was not a 4th liner at the time of signing. coming right off a cup win, was playing 12-14 minutes a night.

He was a 4th liner on the cup team, and he was brought to the Canucks to play 4th line center.

His strengths and weaknesses also overlapped almost perfectly with Sutter, meaning he was redundant from day 1.

I'm often accused of being too forgiving to Benning, but that signing was bad from day 1.

 

[Fatass]

Guys got 25 goals in 260 nhl games. He’s a 20 point forward who’s shit at face offs. Not sure you need to go 3 years with a player you can get in FA literally every year.

Exactly! This guy is not a centre! He’s a fourth line winger. PK checker.

 

[VanJack]

I love how people shit on anything Benning does.

Remember when Beagle was signed and people were like, 1 year too long, but AAV is fine.

Now we have a younger version of Beagle compared to when he was signed, lower cap% compared to when he was signed, shorter contract. And people still complained like hell.

This was a great signing as long as Dickinson keeps bringing his defensive play.

Yes, basically a Beagle replacement on the ice, but a guy who is only 26 and and the contract is a three-year term with no trade protection. So obviously it's a light-years better contract for the Canucks.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Hopefully this is a player whose value cannot be captured by statistics or by using comparables.

 

[StreetHawk]

Seems like Dallas figured they were going to lose Dickinson in the Expansion draft

... so they traded him for what they could get.

July 17, 2021: Dickinson traded to the Vancouver Canucks.

July 21, 2017: Seattle Expansion Draft.

Dallas lost ufa Olesiak in the ED. Would they have matched the contract to him if Seattle took Dickinson?

comparing Dallas trading Dickinson vs say winnipeg not trading Appleton you need to consider the next available player in the ED.

Dallas really had no other player under contract or rfa that would warrant protecting. Winnipeg would still have DeMelo on D available for the ED.

so the Jets would have lost 2 guys for a 3rd round pick rather than 1 guy for nothing. And DeMelo is a coveted RHD.

 

[Hit the post]

He was a 4th liner on the cup team, and he was brought to the Canucks to play 4th line center.

His strengths and weaknesses also overlapped almost perfectly with Sutter, meaning he was redundant from day 1.

I'm often accused of being too forgiving to Benning, but that signing was bad from day 1.

Sutter gave us at least one solid season for us (his cap hit/how we acquired him are other issues). Beagle? A complete turd that somehow got a NTC. All he did was give the guys in the infirmary something to do. Now, who the **** gives an NTC to a 4th liner? Was he a cheap cap hit? Well, relative to the six million dollar LE, I suppose.

Beagle. An upgraded version of Tim Schaller. Though anybody with a pulse would be an upgrade over Schaller.

 

[sting101]

I was guessing around $2.85, so pleasantly surprised he came in at $2.65. Also glad it came with a three year term. Solid deal, IMO.

Yes the Dallas media pundits were predicting exactly 2.65 funny enough.

Solid deal for a solid player. Big Fan of the player and was really happy we were able to acquire him which may have cost a lot more or not been possible if the expansion protection issue wasn't happening.

A lot of the Stars fans wanted to keep him over Faksa. This fanbase is about to discover why

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Exactly! This guy is not a centre! He’s a fourth line winger. PK checker.

yep. The deal is just so so. Money is about right. The term is crazy for a 5 goal scorer. No need to tie up a 3 year deal. These guys are available sheet off season.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Tell me you don't know how to watch hockey and make all of your judgments by looking at stats without just saying the words.

Yah, you’ve watched a ton of Jason Dickerson hahahahaha. Get outta here.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Hopefully this is a player whose value cannot be captured by statistics or by using comparables.

Sure hope not. Cuz if so, we spent 8 million dollars for approx 20 goals in the next 3 years.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Nope, you're way off there.

Beagle was called an idiotic signing by many here, and we were right.

Dickinson is an okay signing, and valid questions are being raised about whether he was a product of his environment and we're paying a bit too much, but those are just honest questions on a discussion board.

Good post.
I’m an idiot and even I didn’t like the beagle signing. We overpaid price, term and no movement etc. Paid because he happened to be on a cup winning team.

 

[timw33]

I would grade this as about a C+, nothing special. Hope he can generate some surplus value, but worry about him becoming an offensive blackhole and being shifted to less valuable winger position.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

I love how people shit on anything Benning does.

Remember when Beagle was signed and people were like, 1 year too long, but AAV is fine.

Now we have a younger version of Beagle compared to when he was signed, lower cap% compared to when he was signed, shorter contract. And people still complained like hell.

This was a great signing as long as Dickinson keeps bringing his defensive play.

For reference, the Free Agency thread

The literal first take on a potential Beagle signing:

1) Beagle will get overpaid due to the shine of winning the cup, not worth it when you can get totally fine 4th line guys for cheaper.

Pages 21+ really ramp up the discussion, mostly disliking potential term and length, lol.

This is where the signings are confirmed. I don't see a lot of happy people over term or AAV.

General impression from skimming the thread is that Beagle for 2 years was okay, but longer term would cause complications that would either lead to a trades/buyout (GUESS WHAT HAPPENED?), that it is not wise to get into a bidding war over a 33 year old 4th liner, that signing both Roussel/Beagle was not a smart move, committing that much capspace to your 4th line isn't smart and that having 2 centermen in your bottom six that don't produce much doesn't make a lot of sense and that Beagle would make Sutter redundant.

All we've really done since that signing is bring in more or less the exact same player, but younger and very slightly cheaper. Sutter still occupies a role in the bottom six.

It's not the end of the world and hopefully Dickinson can continue to grow, but painting the notion that people were okay with Beagle when they could see the problems before he was even signed is a little dishonest.

 

[RobertKron]

Beagle was not a 4th liner at the time of signing. coming right off a cup win, was playing 12-14 minutes a night.

Oh, okay.

Capitals’ fourth line has been a revolving door, and Jay Beagle has struggled to get traction

Washington went from boasting one of the best and most stable fourth lines in the league to one that’s still in flux. The only constant part has been Beagle at center; seven different wingers have rotated around him through 26 games.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capitals-insider/wp/2017/12/01/the-capitals-fourth-line-has-been-a-revolving-door-and-center-jay-beagle-has-struggled-to-get-traction/

Entering next season, the biggest shakeup in the Washington Capitals’ Stanley Cup-winning lineup will come on the fourth line. With the departure of Jay Beagle, who spent the better part of a decade pivoting the Capitals’ bottom trio, one of the Capitals’ most consistent lines in recent memory has lost its main constant.

https://thehockeywriters.com/washington-capitals-ideal-fourth-line/

Last year the departure of Jay Beagle made fourth-line center one of the few spots up for grabs in training camp.

Breaking down the Caps' new fourth line roster battle

Beagle played a big role in Washington’s Stanley Cup triumph, tallying 2 goals and 6 assists while centering the Caps’ 4th line.

Newport Sports Management Inc. - thehockeyagency.com

That last one is an excerpt posted on his profile on the agency representing him's own website.

 

[Nucker101]

Almost everyone outside of Canuck homers knew the Beagle signing was bad before the ink dried