me2
Go ahead foot
And and all it cost was a top 10 pick, #40 pick, a potential lottery pick, Hutton, and $15m in cap space. (plus an 8th overall pick)
Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign D Tyler Myers to 5-Year, $30m Deal ($6m AAV)
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PuckMunchkin
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I'll not answer this one.
You light like 150 fires here that would each need to be put out individually and I dont have the time to do that.
Let it be put in to the record books that I disagreed with Mr.Sting's post here, quite a bit.
Ace of Hades
#Demko4Vezina
As long as Gudbranson is deployed in an offensive role, then it will be tolerable to see him play for our team. Not very optimistic that it will happen that way but we'll see.
sting101
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Shareefruck
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You mean Myers, right? I think he'll be somewhat frustrating either way, but sure, I can maybe see that.
Intangibos
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Agree, this deal isn't that bad. People have to remember the NHL salary cap is 80+mil now. Myers signed for a similar % of the cap that Jason Garrison did.
Garrison signed for 6 years when he was 28. Myers signed for 5 years when he was 29. Is Myers really that bad? Garrison tanked when he was in his last year of the contract when he was 33
Him being a third pairing guy is because he was stuck behind Byfuglien and Trouba no?
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect his play to not completely tank for his 29, 30, 31, and 32 year old seasons. Maybe the last season will be bad but still.
Just looking at some recent prominent canuck defenders and up to what age they still played 20+ minutes per game:
Garrison 30
Ehrhoff 32
Bieksa 34
Salo 38
Hamhuis 33
Are there any signs that Myers is declining at a rapid rate?
JumpierPegasus
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$1.5m overpaid easily
For a Benning contract not bad. And overall I don't hate it. But it's not something I'll be getting excited about
But handcuffed to an aging #4 defender for 5 years is awful while at this point we should have some bonafide stars coming off their ELC's (like a Matthew Tkachuk) and should be saving cash for that
I guess we don't though... Other than Boeser
For a Benning contract not bad. And overall I don't hate it. But it's not something I'll be getting excited about
But handcuffed to an aging #4 defender for 5 years is awful while at this point we should have some bonafide stars coming off their ELC's (like a Matthew Tkachuk) and should be saving cash for that
I guess we don't though... Other than Boeser
Ace of Hades
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Addison Rae
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Wait how many teams traded their 1st at the deadline this year? Two?
Also there’s a massive difference between playoff teams trading their first opposed to a team that just finished with the same amount of ROW’s as the Ottawa Senators....
Shareefruck
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At the time of his contract, Garrison was a far superior player to Myers is now.
And who are those teams acquiring those players at the deadline? Are they in a similar position to the canucks standings wise?
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Of course they do. Que Benning making a comparison to Chara.
sting101
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Odds are odds.
2010-2015. 16% chance of a player between 16-30 turning into someone as good as Miller with an extremely low percentage better. If your a gambling man and you believe in your core and team you have 2 chances to come good on those odds.
Yes and the contract is no where close to as bad as I thought it would be (7 - 8 million) Myers took a hometown discount to come home . Imagine if we had signed Karlsson to the 11.35 AAV over 8 years this board would of been outraged with Benning . And Myers still has lots of good hockey left in him .
Add in a full year of Quinn Hughes and Jordie Benn our defense looks so much better
polarbearcub
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The 7x7 narrative was created by media who were pretending to be “ insiders “ like the joke that is irfan ghafar.
Megaterio Llamas
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I want to see Hughes scoot through Myers legs roller derby / midget wrestling style to avoid the forecheck just once. At least they can give us that.
Maybe. Garrison was better no doubt, but far superior? I don't think so.
Just comparing their seasons before they signed with the canucks, Myers actually outscored Garrison at ES. Myers gets a couple minutes less icetime per game but the Jets also have a much better d core than the 11-12 florida panthers.
Brian campbell, Jason Garrison, Dmitri Kulikov, Mike Weaver, 35 year old Jovo, Keaton Ellerby, sophomore Erik Gudbranson
vs. myers who has Byfuglien and Trouba ahead of him on the right side?
Tables of Stats
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Positives:
-Myers is about as skilled at running a PP as Edler is, depending on how Hughes plays that could make him our best or second best point man on the PP
-He's been fairly durable and has played 80 and 82 games the past two seasons which should put some injury concerns to rest
-His career average offense places him no worse than second on our team in scoring going back to the 11-12 season
Negatives:
-He's less disciplined than I'd like for a top-four defender and will likely be our most penalized defenseman next season
-His possession stats year to year only really go from average to below average
-He doesn't use his size to play as physically as you'd want him to
-He's overpaid and getting a year too much in term, like most sought after UFAs tend to be
-Myers is about as skilled at running a PP as Edler is, depending on how Hughes plays that could make him our best or second best point man on the PP
-He's been fairly durable and has played 80 and 82 games the past two seasons which should put some injury concerns to rest
-His career average offense places him no worse than second on our team in scoring going back to the 11-12 season
Negatives:
-He's less disciplined than I'd like for a top-four defender and will likely be our most penalized defenseman next season
-His possession stats year to year only really go from average to below average
-He doesn't use his size to play as physically as you'd want him to
-He's overpaid and getting a year too much in term, like most sought after UFAs tend to be
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Not buying this draft pick % success argument. It's stupid to just assume you will make the playoffs because teams don't always progress linearly. See Edmonton when they made the playoffs.
I don't know how you came up with the 16% odds but I think it's far more likely that the canucks pick between 16-20 than 25-30 and I doubt the calculation factored that in.
Addison Rae
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That 16% has to be the dumbest way to analyze a trade.
What are the chances a 1st round pick fromm 21-30 ends up better than Tanner Pearson?
If it’s under 50% why aren’t teams lining up to trade their 1st round pick for him???
Like jesus christ.
What are the chances a 1st round pick fromm 21-30 ends up better than Tanner Pearson?
If it’s under 50% why aren’t teams lining up to trade their 1st round pick for him???
Like jesus christ.
ProstheticConscience
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The same derp comes up every time Benning throws away draft picks. For the flipside, just read the Podkolzin or Hoglander threads.
Fire Benning
diaper filled piss baby
Giving this contract to 30 year old bottom pairing defender is basically indefensible. 'It could've been worse' is not an adequate defense.
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