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[JohnHodgson]

And he would be making $12M if he was signing a new contract after next season. Or maybe Colorado could use contracts signed 7 years ago like you suggest to bring his value down.

That’s a stupid comment.

Makar signed his deal less than 2 years ago.

You make it sound like ancient history, but ok.

Just because a deal was signed a long time ago doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile to compare.

Give me one example of a #3D making $8M.

Happy to engage but until then… I really don’t think you have anything of substance (as per usual) to show.

The only player you brought up was Sergachev except he’s younger, better, has a better resume, is a legit top pair dman, and helped them win Stanley Cups.

Sergachev is a tier or two better than Hronek and his extension kicks in earlier. Not comparable at all.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Dumb question - at what point can the Canucks talk to and sign guys like Malinski and Livingstone? Do we know when their teams play their elimination games?

 

[Peen]

I think that 2011 era Canucks template for D salaries is pretty good.

They mostly hovered in that 7-7.5% of the cap mark.

That would put Hronek in the 6.1ish range if he signed this summer. If the cap rises significantly before his next contract kicks in, maybe it’s closer to the mid 6s.

That is, if he is a #3 or so as advertised.

 

[MarkMM]

I think that 2011 era Canucks template for D salaries is pretty good.

They mostly hovered in that 7-7.5% of the cap mark.

That would put Hronek in the 6.1ish range if he signed this summer. If the cap rises significantly before his next contract kicks in, maybe it’s closer to the mid 6s.

That is, if he is a #3 or so as advertised.

Yeah and as long as his agent doesn't try to push the narrative that he's a #2, doesn't his agent have a reputation of being really aggressive? I saw speculation on some Detroit sites that that was why Detroit parted ways, they didn't like where they sensed contract negotiations were going.

 

[Peter Griffin]

That’s a stupid comment.

Makar signed his deal less than 2 years ago.

You make it sound like ancient history, but ok.

You don’t seem to grasp the concept that players make considerably more when they hit their UFA years. The bridge contracts have disappeared for the most part but UFA aged players get paid the most by far. The Canucks should’ve just signed Pettersson for 8 years at $7.35M if that wasn’t the case.

Just because a deal was signed a long time ago doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile to compare.

It absolutely does. When Ekblad signed for $7.5M in 2016 it equated to 10.3% of the salary cap. A comparable contract under the current salary cap would be $8.6M. If the cap continues to go up, so will salaries. This isn’t a difficult concept.

Give me one example of a #3D making $8M.

How is Hronek a #3 d-man? He’s averaged over 22 min/game the past 3 seasons and is absolutely comparable in most aspects with Mikhail Sergachev who signed his deal coming off very similar seasons to Hronek.

Happy to engage but until then… I really don’t think you have anything of substance (as per usual) to show.

The only player you brought up was Sergachev except he’s younger, better, has a better resume, is a legit top pair dman, and helped them win Stanley Cups.

Sergachev is a tier or two better than Hronek and his extension kicks in earlier. Not comparable at all.

I also mentioned Travis Sanheim who IMO hasn’t produced at the same rate as Hronek and has averaged less ice-time the past 4/5 seasons. He’s making $6.25M long term so I don’t think it’s inconceivable to expect Hronek to be making $1M~ more.

Your entire issue is you saw me post that Hronek would be asking for $8M and automatically assumed I said he’d get $8M. I never suggested he’ll get that. But he will get a helluva lot more than a guy like John Marino who is actually cost controlled for more than a year. That has always been my issue with this Hronek trade. We’ve got him for 1 year on a great deal then we’re faced with paying UFA prices to keep him or get an arbitration award and likely lose him.

 

[MS]

You don’t seem to grasp the concept that players make considerably more when they hit their UFA years. The bridge contracts have disappeared for the most part but UFA aged players get paid the most by far. The Canucks should’ve just signed Pettersson for 8 years at $7.35M if that wasn’t the case.


It absolutely does. When Ekblad signed for $7.5M in 2016 it equated to 10.3% of the salary cap. A comparable contract under the current salary cap would be $8.6M. If the cap continues to go up, so will salaries. This isn’t a difficult concept.


How is Hronek a #3 d-man? He’s averaged over 22 min/game the past 3 seasons and is absolutely comparable in most aspects with Mikhail Sergachev who signed his deal coming off very similar seasons to Hronek.


I also mentioned Travis Sanheim who IMO hasn’t produced at the same rate as Hronek and has averaged less ice-time the past 4/5 seasons. He’s making $6.25M long term so I don’t think it’s inconceivable to expect Hronek to be making $1M~ more.

Your entire issue is you saw me post that Hronek would be asking for $8M and automatically assumed I said he’d get $8M. I never suggested he’ll get that. But he will get a helluva lot more than a guy like John Marino who is actually cost controlled for more than a year. That has always been my issue with this Hronek trade. We’ve got him for 1 year on a great deal then we’re faced with paying UFA prices to keep him or get an arbitration award and likely lose him.

Hronek is a bit more productive than Sanheim but actually had a lower TOI in the 2 years leading into the contract signing and Sanheim’s deal was for all UFA years which raises the price relative to Hronek containing an RFA year.

Sanheim at $6.2 is a pretty dead-on comparable for Hronek being in the $6-6.5 range.

 

[dez]

Dumb question - at what point can the Canucks talk to and sign guys like Malinski and Livingstone? Do we know when their teams play their elimination games?

Big 10 tourney starts next week (Jake), and frozen four end of the month. (Sam)

 

[rypper]

I think the question on everyone's mind is, what's the delay in locking up veteran long serving Canuck Guillaume Brisebois???

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I think the question on everyone's mind is, what's the delay in locking up veteran long serving Canuck Guillaume Brisebois???

The AHL veteran rule might work against him at some point. IMO, he’s shown he can hang around as a 7th d-man / 1st call up type. But we have a lot of guys who could lay claim to that same spot.

 

[Breakers]

Bridge contracts have disappeared?

LOLOLOLOL
Imagine believing that.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Hronek is a bit more productive than Sanheim but actually had a lower TOI in the 2 years leading into the contract signing and Sanheim’s deal was for all UFA years which raises the price relative to Hronek containing an RFA year.

Sanheim at $6.2 is a pretty dead-on comparable for Hronek being in the $6-6.5 range.

Hronek has been significantly more productive than Sanheim over their careers. Even taking out this year, where Sanheim is playing as a #3, Hronek’s PPG is .51 compared to Sanheim at .35

Hronek is a bit more productive than Sanheim but actually had a lower TOI in the 2 years leading into the contract signing and Sanheim’s deal was for all UFA years which raises the price relative to Hronek containing an RFA year.

Sanheim at $6.2 is a pretty dead-on comparable for Hronek being in the $6-6.5 range.

I don’t think it’s inconceivable to believe Sanheim took a team friendly deal to potentially spend his entire career with one franchise either.

Perhaps the best course of action would be too try for a shorter term deal such as the one Pionk signed and hope to get him locked in for less than $6.5MAAV. But that deal brings Hronek to 31 years old and he and his agent may prefer a deal that takes him straight to his mid-30’s.

Will be interesting to see if management tries to lock him up this offseason if they get a good enough look at him under Tocchet or if they delay to next season. I imagine their focus will be entirely on EP this summer.

Bridge contracts have disappeared?

LOLOLOLOL
Imagine believing that.

What do you think Hughes and Makar signed? They certainly aren’t the 3 year bridge contracts that used to be almost mandatory for all players coming off their ELC.

 

[sting101]

I think the question on everyone's mind is, what's the delay in locking up veteran long serving Canuck Guillaume Brisebois???

Apparently they already signed him but when Benning sent it in via his fax to league office the name said Bweezbah so it wasn't processed.

 

[dez]

Blueberry didn't want to retain a few hundred thousand on retention for draft picks, you think he's spending 20 million on OEL not to play? lol.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Blueberry didn't want to retain a few hundred thousand on retention for draft picks, you think he's spending 20 million on OEL not to play? lol.

Yea it’s a nice thought but I don’t see it as realistic that management can convince him to spend that much for OEL to go away. Maybe after next season when that number drops to $12M.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Apparently they already signed him but when Benning sent it in via his fax to league office the name said Bweezbah so it wasn't processed.

It is kinda funny that you use the fax machine to try and make him sound dumb, but I bet born after 95 would be able to work out how to send a fax to save their life ,if put in a room with no doors or windows and only a fax machine.

Meanwhile every idiot can send an email, because they have made it so intuitive.

Literally click the button with a letter picture, then the button that says compose, then the button that says send.

 

[rypper]

Apparently they already signed him but when Benning sent it in via his fax to league office the name said Bweezbah so it wasn't processed.

Foiled again by that dastardly Benning!

 

[Vector]

Dumb question - at what point can the Canucks talk to and sign guys like Malinski and Livingstone? Do we know when their teams play their elimination games?

I looked it up. The Canucks can talk to any of these guys but are not allowed to sign until their seasons are over. I spent a bit of time, yesterday, looking that up and it’s a floating date. There’s their playoff tournament and then the possibility of getting an invite to the NCAA regionals to compete in the Frozen Four.

Here’s Livingstone’s team as an example. The next game is March 11th. The regionals take place between March 23rd to 26th. Frozen Four is from April 6th to 8th. The regional invitationals are decided on March 19th.

He also has the option of forgoing the regionals and signing. It’s not that uncommon for highly touted NCAA free agents to do this for tournaments.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It is kinda funny that you use the fax machine to try and make him sound dumb, but I bet born after 95 would be able to work out how to send a fax to save their life ,if put in a room with no doors or windows and only a fax machine.

Meanwhile every idiot can send an email, because they have made it so intuitive.

Literally click the button with a letter picture, then the button that says compose, then the button that says send.

Fax machines aren’t much harder. And I’m pretty sure it was the misspelling of Brisebois that was the punchline of the joke.

 

[Breakers]

Hronek has been significantly more productive than Sanheim over their careers. Even taking out this year, where Sanheim is playing as a #3, Hronek’s PPG is .51 compared to Sanheim at .35

I don’t think it’s inconceivable to believe Sanheim took a team friendly deal to potentially spend his entire career with one franchise either.

Perhaps the best course of action would be too try for a shorter term deal such as the one Pionk signed and hope to get him locked in for less than $6.5MAAV. But that deal brings Hronek to 31 years old and he and his agent may prefer a deal that takes him straight to his mid-30’s.

Will be interesting to see if management tries to lock him up this offseason if they get a good enough look at him under Tocchet or if they delay to next season. I imagine their focus will be entirely on EP this summer.


What do you think Hughes and Makar signed? They certainly aren’t the 3 year bridge contracts that used to be almost mandatory for all players coming off their ELC.

What did Noah Dobson just sign
What did McAvoy sign
Brayden point
Barzal
Werenski

 

[Peter Griffin]

What did Noah Dobson just sign
What did McAvoy sign
Brayden point
Barzal
Werenski

I was speaking specifically about Makar’s contract so not sure what you’re going on about here. Maybe I should’ve said “somewhat disappeared”. My bad.

Your comment actually proves my point even more that UFA aged players get paid significantly more though so thanks!

 

[alternate]

I'm hoping Myers can be dealt for a 3C. Thinking that after his bonus is paid, might have a team with an over priced center that has been replaced in the top 6 and would rather save cash and redistribute the cap into a RD.

As for OEL, I see 2 options. First, he pulls a Naslund. Has a few more million due than Naslund but he could make some of that back playing in Europe. (Ya, not happening.)

The only other option imo is hope he can come back healthy and the new coaching staff can rebuild his game. Never going to be a $7m player at this point, but it's not too outlandish to think he could be an NHL level player with more insulation and more structure. A trade or buy out is a pipe dream this off season imo.

 

[Luck 6]

On one hand, it makes sense to buy OEL out. On another, I can’t believe he’s actually as bad as he’s been this season. Do defensemen really fall off this quickly?

Canucks of past like Mitchell, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Tanev, Edler, etc. managed to at least get to their mid 30s before becoming replacement level players. I’m thinking there’s a chance OEL could reinvent himself and come back as a useful player? If he could be defensively responsible defenseman, like he was last year, with a good transition game, there would at least be a use for him in the 2nd pairing. But even still, for a player like that, he’d still be about 3-3.5mil overpaid.

 

[Peen]

Feel free to click the attached. Not sure what the actual bonuses + contracts for our backup, bear, hogs, and wolanin will turn out to be but it's only for a rough estimate.

Boeser trade with no retention, Myers out, OEL buyout, Poolman/Pearson LTIR.

Obviously, I expect that they'll be taking some sort of contract back in at least one of the Boeser/Myers deal.

But that is ~$23MM for 7 roster spots. I think they could probably pull off the two top four D + 3C and delay the OEL decision another year, but it would be very tight.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

lol at everyone thinking we'll dump Myers. or even that we should. We would immediately have a need for another defenseman. We just went through this with Tanev. Myers is overpaid but not completely useless.

Our wingers are the surplus

 

[Josepho]

On one hand, it makes sense to buy OEL out. On another, I can’t believe he’s actually as bad as he’s been this season. Do defensemen really fall off this quickly?

Canucks of past like Mitchell, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Tanev, Edler, etc. managed to at least get to their mid 30s before becoming replacement level players. I’m thinking there’s a chance OEL could reinvent himself and come back as a useful player? If he could be defensively responsible defenseman, like he was last year, with a good transition game, there would at least be a use for him in the 2nd pairing. But even still, for a player like that, he’d still be about 3-3.5mil overpaid.

OEL was pretty terrible and apathetic towards the end in Arizona and if anything 2021/2022 is probably the outlier season.