Also Olli Maatta is good but it's not like he's an elite defender or anything. He's a guy you can get for $3-4M on the free agent market.
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I think Seravalli is generally one of the best reporters around but that comparison is absolutely bizarre.
Rielly had a 72-point season under his belt where he was 5th in Norris voting and 3rd in defender scoring in the league, and had been easily the #1 defender on a very good team for years.
Hronek has a career high of 38 points and is currently T-19th in defender scoring and has been the #2 defender on a non-playoff team.
I like Hronek but Rielly is not even close to a comparable in contract talks and if Rielly becomes a comparable in the next 2 years that means that Hronek has blown up in a huge way. Right now his comparables are guys like Pionk and Sanheim - who are fine players, but not guys getting superstar contracts.
im not surprised he threw out a number that high. look at the rhd market, a competent top 4 rhd is going to get overpaid every time. even crummy ones (gudbranson etc)
Shock value to get clicks.
Evidently it’s working. Rielly comparison is honestly laughable. Hronek was never a #1D on a contending team.
Makar (year younger than Hronek) signed a while back for $9M X 6 years.
Makar is like tiers above Hronek and is a Norris winning defenseman.
Do people seriously here think Hronek will only make 1M less than a Norris winning defenseman???
Aaron Ekblad, a 26 year old franchise defenseman is getting paid $7.5M.
There's literally ZERO comparables that have Hronek making $7M+.
Just fear-mongering without taking the time to actually dive in and do research. Par for the course here.
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A bit surprising to me that the Canucks and Bear seem like they aren't having productive discussions. This was a player the Canucks were after for a while and waited patiently to acquire. For Bear's part, his career was in need of some resuscitation when the Canucks acquired him, and playing here has done just that. This seems like one of the most natural fits you could imagine and yet, here we are.
Just odd.
The other thing this article mentions is that the Canucks are interested in extending Juulsen. That should be a no-brainer, too. He's a great local product / leadership figure in Abbotsford, and is clearly capable of playing in spot call up duty. Should be an easy guy to retain on a league minimum, two-way deal with a respectable AHL salary.
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He’s literally a well connected league insider. You don’t think he talks to agents and GM’s about this type of stuff before commenting?
I don’t think Seravalli goes for shock value hits. He’s normally a very measured guy.
I think he’s just totally missed the boat on this one. It’s a freaking weird comp.
He may have got this from somewhere bit the problem lies in not telling the whole story - like similar players similar contracts
Guys that leave that stuff out are either lazy or just dont know how
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The thing with guys like Bear is that they aren’t truly impact players on their own that can make their linemate better, he’s a good complementary player. You wanna cheap out on role players and pay your impactful players. He’s in that weird “not a legit top 4 dman on a strong team but also a nice luxury on your 3rd pairing” spot.The Canucks are just a few steps away from icing an adequate NHL defence as soon as next season
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A bit surprising to me that the Canucks and Bear seem like they aren't having productive discussions. This was a player the Canucks were after for a while and waited patiently to acquire. For Bear's part, his career was in need of some resuscitation when the Canucks acquired him, and playing here has done just that. This seems like one of the most natural fits you could imagine and yet, here we are.
Just odd.
The other thing this article mentions is that the Canucks are interested in extending Juulsen. That should be a no-brainer, too. He's a great local product / leadership figure in Abbotsford, and is clearly capable of playing in spot call up duty. Should be an easy guy to retain on a league minimum, two-way deal with a respectable AHL salary.
The Canucks have so many overpaid players that they really have to be picky with who they want to pay.
This is why the bring back Schenn this summer for 2.5M+ talk is ridiculous
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If Bear wants 4x4, don't let the door hit him on the way out.
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counterpoint on hronek
if he is a good pairing fit for hughes he will get lots of points and yes he will get paid but he will also be a 1st pair dman and worth it.
if he is not a fit for hughes, then he is going to see his points drop off and probably minutes drop off to something closer to a second pairing guy. he will lose pp minutes and points for sure. hronek is not likely going to edge out hughes and get pp1 time here, and the era of 2 dmen on pp1 seems to be gone. even his pp2 time might be shared if oel bounces back.
so i can see him extending this summer for less than expected after walsh assesses the situation and concludes this year's production is a better basis to strike a deal.
if he is a good pairing fit for hughes he will get lots of points and yes he will get paid but he will also be a 1st pair dman and worth it.
if he is not a fit for hughes, then he is going to see his points drop off and probably minutes drop off to something closer to a second pairing guy. he will lose pp minutes and points for sure. hronek is not likely going to edge out hughes and get pp1 time here, and the era of 2 dmen on pp1 seems to be gone. even his pp2 time might be shared if oel bounces back.
so i can see him extending this summer for less than expected after walsh assesses the situation and concludes this year's production is a better basis to strike a deal.
Yeah, no argument there.
He should be at $2.5 as an absolute max. And should be thanking his lucky stars for that after where his career was at 4 or 5 months ago.
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personally, I’m very happy to hear that they are being stingy in the Bear talks. I think he is a 5 that you are comfortable moving up in the event of injuries, but that is it.The Canucks are just a few steps away from icing an adequate NHL defence as soon as next season
Way back at the outset of the 2022–23 season, Canucks president of hoc...
A bit surprising to me that the Canucks and Bear seem like they aren't having productive discussions. This was a player the Canucks were after for a while and waited patiently to acquire. For Bear's part, his career was in need of some resuscitation when the Canucks acquired him, and playing here has done just that. This seems like one of the most natural fits you could imagine and yet, here we are.
Just odd.
The other thing this article mentions is that the Canucks are interested in extending Juulsen. That should be a no-brainer, too. He's a great local product / leadership figure in Abbotsford, and is clearly capable of playing in spot call up duty. Should be an easy guy to retain on a league minimum, two-way deal with a respectable AHL salary.
Carolina had to retain to move him and I don’t see a meaningful change in his value since we acquired him. He’s kind of just shown to be what we thought he would be.
Yeah, there are probably 4 potential outcomes on Hronek :
1) Plays well and is a good fit but production drops to the 35-point range because of the lack of PP time behind Hughes. If this is the case, he probably gets $6-$6.5 million.
2) Plays well and generates big offensive production despite Hughes. If this is the case, he’s done the Toews thing and you don’t mind paying $7 million for an impact player.
3) Plays poorly and isn’t a good fit. Probably drops to the $5 million range in that case.
4) Isn’t a good fit and doesn’t play well but Hughes gets hurt and he scores 50 points soaking up Hughes’ PP minutes. In this case, yeah you might get burned by a big contract based on offensive production over player quality. But it’s a pretty unlikely outcome.
If he does extend now because of worries about production dropping, there’s no way he should get more than $6.5 and it should probably be closer to $6.
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the thing with bear is that he is not a complimentary fit with hughes. so if hronek is also not a comfy fit with hughes, where might that leave bear?
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I wish Saravelli would just Shut the F up. He does this crap all the time
Hronek is .5 ppg career -87. 47.1 % Corsi.
Obviously he played on a terrible team and the scouts can see he's more than a Poor defensive results undersized PP player but what the hell is he basing this on
Rumors in Seattle are with Vince Dunn going close to 7 x 7 but by Comparison last 3 yrs
player---Dunn-------Hronek
5V5
TOI- ----17:52--------17:01
pts/60---1.12---------0.85
Corsi%---51.78--------46.14
X/GF%---48.44--------46.41
So if this is the comp then you really shouldnt be going near a 7 unless this is Jim Benning negotiating based on faith that he's acquired the next Sergie Zubov or whatever dumb comp he would use
This is why i say get a deal done this summer if you expect him to break out. Use his numbers against him while you can. If they are unsure then they should never have done the deal in the first place
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Just like Darren Dreger right?
Sorry.
I value facts (like recent signed comparables) instead of gossip.
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I really don't want to see Hughes and Bear together again next year.
I think Bear benefited immensely from playing with Hughes, just like everyone else gets a huge lift when they play with him, but he hasn't excelled in that role and hasn't looked very good with anyone else. Hughes deserves better especially since we're in go for it, contend for the next two years mode.
Bear is someone that's been fun to cheer for as a person but the most I'd do is give him his QO and see if he can carry the third pairing next year expecting to let him walk next season.
I think Bear benefited immensely from playing with Hughes, just like everyone else gets a huge lift when they play with him, but he hasn't excelled in that role and hasn't looked very good with anyone else. Hughes deserves better especially since we're in go for it, contend for the next two years mode.
Bear is someone that's been fun to cheer for as a person but the most I'd do is give him his QO and see if he can carry the third pairing next year expecting to let him walk next season.
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OEL should be used as the 8th D next season and Bear should be on the bottom pair.
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I'm suspicious about the math involved in some of these projections.
Can the Canucks re-sign Bear, move Myers with retention, extend Hronek, keep or buy out OEL, and stay under the cap? Or will they be forced to attach assets to cut down on the expenses on the wing, or elsewhere? (I see at least a draft pick attached to Myers in order to find a taker for him, one that's not on his no-trade list. obviously.)
Can the Canucks re-sign Bear, move Myers with retention, extend Hronek, keep or buy out OEL, and stay under the cap? Or will they be forced to attach assets to cut down on the expenses on the wing, or elsewhere? (I see at least a draft pick attached to Myers in order to find a taker for him, one that's not on his no-trade list. obviously.)
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OEL has had an awful season..I think he was banged up from the start (fractured his foot playing for Sweden in the summer)..Under Foote and Gonchar,and a bit more defensive structure..he may be better next year..
Ideally the 3rd rd.. with a defensive guy with hughes.. i think it makes it easier when break the convention of labelling pairs.. or for that matter the players
Hughes with defensive d
Lhd with hronek
OEL and bear with bear pointed to collecting dumpins
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