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[Peen]

I really hope that Hronek can be a well-rounded defenseman for that price because paying the premium for offensive production from a defenseman is just not something needed on this team right now.

I read Harman Dayal’s article this morning and he described him as a #3. Said his defending is much better than what has been assumed, but he’s not as strong as a puck mover as what has been assumed.

He can’t do the Hughes/Schenn carry thing, as seen with how his results tanked with Chiarot. Also needs to play in a structure with consistent low puck support.

But a definite 3 with upside.

 

[kanucks25]

If Hronek’s next contract starts with a 7, that means we acquired a young top-pairing defender for draft picks which is the biggest win imaginable.

Yeah I mean if he's actually going to be worth that then it's not a bad thing.

If he's not then we've wasted some valuable assets.

Worst case scenario, he doesn't earn that type of contract but management gives it to him anyway to try to save face on the trade lol.

 

[m9]

If Hronek’s next contract starts with a 7, that means we acquired a young top-pairing defender for draft picks which is the biggest win imaginable.

.. or it means they signed him this off-season before re-adjusting his value for his offensive role on a team with Quinn Hughes.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I read Harman Dayal’s article this morning and he described him as a #3. Said his defending is much better than what has been assumed, but he’s not as strong as a puck mover as what has been assumed.

He can’t do the Hughes/Schenn carry thing, as seen with how his results tanked with Chiarot. Also needs to play in a structure with consistent low puck support.

But a definite 3 with upside.

Look at Seiders numbers with Chiarot. Their are not good. Wings made huge mistake signing him.

 

[sting101]

NCAA players to have a look at

Jake Livingstone - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jake Livingstone, 1999-04-16 Creston, BC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Milwaukee Admirals. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Collin Graf - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Collin Graf, 2002-09-21 Lincoln, MA, USA USA. Most recently in the AHL with San Jose Barracuda. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Sam Malinski - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Sam Malinski, 1998-07-27 Lakeville, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with Colorado Avalanche. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Austen Swankler - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Austen Swankler, 2001-08-21 North Huntingdon, PA, USA USA. Most recently in the SPHL with Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Ryan McAllister - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Ryan McAllister, 2001-12-19 London, ON, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Charlotte Checkers. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Max Sasson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Max Sasson, 2000-09-05 Birmingham, MI, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with Vancouver Canucks. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Jacob Bengtsson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jacob Bengtsson, 1999-05-08 Stockholm, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the SHL with Brynäs IF. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Will Zmolek - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Will Zmolek, 1999-04-02 Rochester, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the ECHL with Iowa Heartlanders. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Chris Jandric - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Chris Jandric, 1998-10-03 Prince George, BC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the ECHL with Trois-Rivières Lions. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[MS]

Yeah I mean if he's actually going to be worth that then it's not a bad thing.

If he's not then we've wasted some valuable assets.

Worst case scenario, he doesn't earn that type of contract but management gives it to him anyway to try to save face on the trade lol.

Yeah, the bad scenario is if his contract starts with a 4 or something.

It’s the weirdest thing ever to be freaking out about. If Hronek is so good that he gets a massive contract that’s an unreal result. It means we acquired an impact young RHD for pennies on the dollar.

Reminds me of the ‘Virtanen was a better pick than Ehlers because he takes up less cap space!’ argument from back in the day.

 

[credulous]

If Hronek’s next contract starts with a 7, that means we acquired a young top-pairing defender for draft picks which is the biggest win imaginable.

it doesn't mean this at all. it means his agent is allen walsh, he's arb eligible one year from ufa and he'll have 4 seasons of history as a top minutes dman with production to back it up

 

[MS]

.. or it means they signed him this off-season before re-adjusting his value for his offensive role on a team with Quinn Hughes.

Pulock got $6.1 last summer and Lindholm got $6.5, both as much more proven players with higher profiles around the league.

Hronek has a current career high of 38 points. He isn’t getting some 60-point defender contract. And he’s obviously not getting $7 million this summer.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

That Hronek deal will look like the OEL deal in about 2-3yrs.

 

[Peen]

If Hronek’s next contract starts with a 7, that means we acquired a young top-pairing defender for draft picks which is the biggest win imaginable.

2 points.

1. I posted that because JH said there’s no chance his contract is 7+ a few days ago. FS says he would bet his house that it does.
2. There is so much more that goes into a player’s cap hit than their true talent level.

 

[credulous]

Pulock got $6.1 last summer and Lindholm got $6.5, both as much more proven players with higher profiles around the league.

Hronek has a current career high of 38 points. He isn’t getting some 60-point defender contract. And he’s obviously not getting $7 million this summer.

hampus lindholm took under market to stay in boston because that team is a juggernaut and he also struggled the two seasons prior and couldn't stay healthy

pulock has half the production of hronek

hronek is easily getting 7m. 8m if he can put up 40 points this year and next

 

[iceburg]

I doubt Hronek's camp will want to sign an extension this summer. As an RFA with arb rights in the summer of 2024 he'll be best positioned to get a good sized contract. That said, I have no problem with the team waiting until next summer either. It gives them a good opportunity to see how Hronek fits and to make an offer that matches his fit. Unlike the previous management I don't have any problem with this management correctly assessing market value. And before I get the yabut, Miller's contract was fair value. It was just the wrong timing for the club.

 

[m9]

Pulock got $6.1 last summer and Lindholm got $6.5, both as much more proven players with higher profiles around the league.

Hronek has a current career high of 38 points. He isn’t getting some 60-point defender contract. And he’s obviously not getting $7 million this summer.

38 points (though 60 games) is more than either of those guys had hit when those deals were signed. Hronek being on pace for 50+ points this year will certainly impact the deal as that production is substantially higher than either guy.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I'm skeptical about the ease with which Myers is moveable in the summer (after the bonus). Sure he will only have a salary of $1M and he's a good insurance plan as a 6/7 D-man for a contending team. The problem is that contending teams don't want to use cap space for insurance policies even if it does come cheap. $6M in cap space better be used for top 6 forward or a top 4 D if being competitive is the goal. The alternative of giving him to a team trying to reach the cap floor makes sense in theory but how many teams are there? Everybody talks about Arizona, but they are only 5M or 6M below the cap floor with a roster of 14. They might want Myers because he's cheap but it won't be because they need to reach the cap floor.

Ironically Buffalo might be best positioned in terms of cap space and competitiveness. Home coming for Myers...

Arizona is 15M below the cap right now with Ladd and 3M in retained salary coming off the books. They don't need to reach the cap floor, but they will have practically as much cap space as they can sell. They and another team could launder Myers' contract very cheaply. Maybe a 4th for 3M in cap and 500k real cash, then a 5th for 1.5M in cap and 250k real cash.

 

[MS]

hampus lindholm took under market to stay in boston because that team is a juggernaut and he also struggled the two seasons prior and couldn't stay healthy

pulock has half the production of hronek

hronek is easily getting 7m. 8m if he can put up 40 points this year and next

Lindholm was signed as a pending UFA, not 2 years away buying an RFA year. And, again, had a better pedigree and reputation as a top shutdown D. Yes, guys get paid for points but not to the extent being claimed here. A single 40-point season doesn’t get you $7 million unless you’re very highly regarded in your own zone.

If Hronek signed this summer I’d expect something in the $6-$6.5 range.

If he signs next summer and gets 7 or 8 this trade will have been a big success.

Parayko got $6.5 last summer. Neal Pionk (who is probably the closest comparable to Hronek) got $5.8 after back-to-back seasons scoring around 50 points/82. Sanheim just got $6.2 (before his bad season this year).

The market is pretty set for this level of player and it isn’t $7 million.

 

[vancityluongo]

Barbashev

any interest in Barbashev at the RNH contract?

guessing he stays with Vegas, but he's a Milstein client...

apparently Dhaliwal says the Canucks are interested

 

[canuckking1]

Hronek's counting stats will probably go down so I'm not too worried about signing him next summer. I'm more worried about his fit and how he performs.

 

[andora]

they could be safe, but they arent done
they want to trade schmaltz, kassian, in the offseason which is 9mil and puts them close to the floor.
taking on a 6mil cap hit at the price of 1 mil allows them to do more to (possibly crouse/keller), and they would likely get a 2nd back at the tdl.
chicago and anaheim are 2 other teams looking for large cap hits with low salary.

Schmaltz.. yeah forgot about him .. looking to trade him what a f'n joke

I read Harman Dayal’s article this morning and he described him as a #3. Said his defending is much better than what has been assumed, but he’s not as strong as a puck mover as what has been assumed.

He can’t do the Hughes/Schenn carry thing, as seen with how his results tanked with Chiarot. Also needs to play in a structure with consistent low puck support.

But a definite 3 with upside.

Low puck support.. perfect

Reminds me of the ‘Virtanen was a better pick than Ehlers because he takes up less cap space!’ argument from back in the day.

Wtf?

 

[Tact]

Couldn’t we just put Pearson and Myers on waivers before the season starts next year? I’m sure the bottom teams would claim them as free assets and try to get something for them at the deadline.

 

[MS]

Wtf?

After Ehlers had a poor playoffs one year one he was playing hurt, there were a few posters here claiming that we were better off not getting stuck paying $5 or $6 million to a ‘playoff choker’ like Ehlers based on his good regular season production and that it was actually better to be paying $2 million for a 25-point player in Virtanen who was a ‘playoff beast’ and that getting the worse player was a win because we didn’t have to pay him as much.

 

[andora]

After Ehlers had a poor playoffs one year one he was playing hurt, there were a few posters here claiming that we were better off not getting stuck paying $5 or $6 million to a ‘playoff choker’ like Ehlers based on his good regular season production and that it was actually better to be paying $2 million for a 25-point player in Virtanen who was a ‘playoff beast’ and that getting the worse player was a win because we didn’t have to pay him as much.

I see.. well ok then

 

[DonnyNucker]

Couldn’t we just put Pearson and Myers on waivers before the season starts next year? I’m sure the bottom teams would claim them as free assets and try to get something for them at the deadline.

No one would claim Pearson but maybe Myers. Boeser needs to be put on waivers first to see if anyone bites

 

[JohnHodgson]

.. or it means they signed him this off-season before re-adjusting his value for his offensive role on a team with Quinn Hughes.

And why the hell would the Canucks sign him to a long-term deal with a number 7 in front?

He's not worth 7M+ in any universe at this point in time. Frank Servalli is so mid - let's not be taking advice/guidance from this guy please.

All contract comparables point to 6-6.5M on a long-term deal as of now.

Pionk - 5.875
Sanheim - 6.25
Pulock - 6.1
Parayko - 6.5
Pelech - 5.75
Morrissey - 6.25

It's hilarious how some people literally said $8M+ for Hronek. Laughable.

And for all those people saying "BUT HES SCORING SO MANY POINTS !!!"... yeah and how'd that workout for Tyson Barrie?

Hronek is a solid #2/3 right now... probably not enough sample size to call him a top pairing #2 D right now. His comparables clearly show him to be in the 6.5-7M range.

If he gets 7M, it means he had a great year for us - I don't mind paying market value for someone who addresses a MAJOR need for us.

 

[JohnHodgson]

hampus lindholm took under market to stay in boston because that team is a juggernaut and he also struggled the two seasons prior and couldn't stay healthy

pulock has half the production of hronek

hronek is easily getting 7m. 8m if he can put up 40 points this year and next

By your EA Sports NHL 23 calculation, why isn't Tyson Barrie signed to a max deal??? I mean look at his production, he should easily be making $9M.

He had 48 points in 56 games for Edmonton in 2020-2021 and ONLY signed a 3 year extension worth $4.5M per?? What was he thinking? How did he not fire his agent on the spot???

EDIT:

Can't wait to see Ghost $8M this year. He has 31 points in 52 games and had 51 points in 82 games the year before!!!! He's easily getting $9M... according to our projections from "credulous" over here.

I wonder what DeAngelo will get for his next contract... must be in the 10s.

 

[JohnHodgson]

@JohnHodgson

LMAO.

Seravalli is a moron.

Let's not use what this guy says as gospel - he's neither an agent or exec... he's guessing just like you and I.

Morgan Rielly was the Leafs top Dman for like 5 years before he signed that extension. He also had a monstrous 72 point year in 2019. How the hell is that a comparable that makes sense?

Stop listening to these hacks and start forming your own credible opinions.