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[dbaz]

figure it will be something like this:

hughes schennish type
defensive d - hronek
oel - livingstone/bear/young dman
stetcher/7th d

 

[Peen]

OEL has had an awful season..I think he was banged up from the start (fractured his foot playing for Sweden in the summer)..Under Foote and Gonchar,and a bit more defensive structure..he may be better next year..

you don’t bet on a guy who has played one good 40 game stretch in the last four years. I’m going to take his first half from last year as the exception and not the rule.

Wolanin looks so much better. I don’t think they should buy him out, but they should put him in a three horse race for that last spot on the left side and make him earn it. if he sinks, then you use him as the eighth defenseman.

 

[tradervik]

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the thing with bear is that he is not a complimentary fit with hughes. so if hronek is also not a comfy fit with hughes, where might that leave bear?

You don't like Huggy Bear?

 

[m9]

counterpoint on hronek

if he is a good pairing fit for hughes he will get lots of points and yes he will get paid but he will also be a 1st pair dman and worth it.

if he is not a fit for hughes, then he is going to see his points drop off and probably minutes drop off to something closer to a second pairing guy. he will lose pp minutes and points for sure. hronek is not likely going to edge out hughes and get pp1 time here, and the era of 2 dmen on pp1 seems to be gone. even his pp2 time might be shared if oel bounces back.

so i can see him extending this summer for less than expected after walsh assesses the situation and concludes this year's production is a better basis to strike a deal.

Yup, this is definitely something on the table. Do I think he hits 7 million with this option? No. But I could see a 6 x 6.25 or something like that.

Hopefully the team wait it out and at least sees how things go early next year.

 

[Orr4Norris]

Myers has a 10 team no trade list. I’m pretty sure he can figure out who the cap laundering teams are in this league. And contenders are not gonna have the cap space. I think he’s harder to move than people assume.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Hughes…Bear
OEL..Hronek

That’s what I think happens.

i doubt it.

i assume we walk from dermott as an rfa unqualified

i assume we will try to trade myers after we pay his bonus, perhaps with retention.

i don't know if we can buy out poolman while he is on ltir, but i think we will if we can.

i think it is 50/50 they buy out oel but i don't know his true medical status. if he has been playing with an injury that can be fixed by rest i can see them trying another year.

i hope they will offer bear about $1.2m x 2 as a third pairing dman who can play up to cover for injuries. he is not in any top 4 lineups but he is good at retrieving the puck.

i don't know who they will sign, but, if i had to bet, one name would be dumoulin,

 

[Peter Griffin]

The contracts signed by Travis Sanheim(8 years, $50M) and Mikhail Sergachev(8 years, $68M) are the two closest comparables signed within the last year to long term extensions. Depending on when Hronek signs and how he plays with Vancouver he’ll likely fall somewhere between the two contracts.

Using contracts signed 6+ years ago as a comparison is comical.

 

[m9]

The Canucks are just a few steps away from icing an adequate NHL defence as soon as next season

Way back at the outset of the 2022–23 season, Canucks president of hoc...

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A bit surprising to me that the Canucks and Bear seem like they aren't having productive discussions. This was a player the Canucks were after for a while and waited patiently to acquire. For Bear's part, his career was in need of some resuscitation when the Canucks acquired him, and playing here has done just that. This seems like one of the most natural fits you could imagine and yet, here we are.

Just odd.

The other thing this article mentions is that the Canucks are interested in extending Juulsen. That should be a no-brainer, too. He's a great local product / leadership figure in Abbotsford, and is clearly capable of playing in spot call up duty. Should be an easy guy to retain on a league minimum, two-way deal with a respectable AHL salary.

personally, I’m very happy to hear that they are being stingy in the Bear talks. I think he is a 5 that you are comfortable moving up in the event of injuries, but that is it.

Carolina had to retain to move him and I don’t see a meaningful change in his value since we acquired him. He’s kind of just shown to be what we thought he would be.

Am I missing something that says that the team is being stingy in talks or that they aren't having productive discussions? I can never tell if the ads on that site are covering up blocks of information, but I didn't really get that impression.

I'd prefer they move on from Bear, but if they have to extend him then hopefully it's a short deal that doesn't go much over 2 million. They need to replace defensive liabilities like Bear and add guys with some PK utility. If you've got Hughes, Hronek, Bear, and OEL that's four guys who aren't going to be on that first unit PK or eat big defensive units. I also think Wolanin has been better than Bear in limited minutes, but again that's another guy who isn't giving you PK or defensive minutes. At some point you have to make room for that kind of player.

 

[Vector]

Am I missing something that says that the team is being stingy in talks or that they aren't having productive discussions? I can never tell if the ads on that site are covering up blocks of information, but I didn't really get that impression.

Yes because it’s a different article that wasn’t linked.

The Vancouver Canucks and Ethan Bear have reportedly been engaged in contract talks for “a few weeks” but have made no progress, according to Rick Dhaliwal on Monday’s episode of Donnie & Dhali – The Team on CHEK TV.

 

[credulous]

i don't particularly value bear but if the canucks don't resign him they pretty much have to retain myers. otherwise you're looking at hronek, poolman and juulsen as the only signed right handed dmen. they can probably bring back burroughs also but that's still terrifying

the only right shot free agents are dumba, severson and then a drop off to holl, kulikov and gudas. i'm not even sure any of them would come in cheaper than bear

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Myers has a 10 team no trade list. I’m pretty sure he can figure out who the cap laundering teams are in this league. And contenders are not gonna have the cap space. I think he’s harder to move than people assume.

He’s a RHD..

Conversely,I think you’re underestimating his value around the league..

Even Gudbranson is still playing.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Ethan bear doesn't move the needle

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I guess with Provorov (career high 41 points) getting $6.75M in 2019 kinda gets you to Hronek at 7. However, that's the extreme high end comparison.

 

[MS]

I guess with Provorov (career high 41 points) getting $6.75M in 2019 kinda gets you to Hronek at 7. However, that's the extreme high end comparison.

Yeah, Provorov was playing 25 minutes/game on his ELC at age 22 and they did the Suzuki/Thompson thing where they paid him huge coming off his ELC expecting he's be moving into Norris Trophy range and it didn't really work out. They were paying for potential a lot more than in Hronek's case.

I'll maintain that the closest guy when you look at production/pedigree/size/TOI/effectiveness is Neal Pionk who got $5.8 a little over a year ago.

 

[FuzzyTitus]

Myers has a 10 team no trade list. I’m pretty sure he can figure out who the cap laundering teams are in this league. And contenders are not gonna have the cap space. I think he’s harder to move than people assume.

Then you waive him, Arizona picks him up and flips him for a 2nd at the deadline at 50%. Ideally, we can get him convinced to go to Arizona for a 3rd/4th, then they flip him later.

 

[iceburg]

embracing the inevitable retool (I've given up any hope of a rebuild - as others have said, management is allergic to draft picks) I see the defense shaping up like this:

Hughes-Bear
New guy1 - Hronek
OEL-New Guy2
Schenn
Burroughs

Assumptions:
Myers traded/cap dump
New guy1 - defensive oriented, above average skater, good first pass. Likely acquired through trade using winger assets (Boeser with $2M retained or Garland). More retention if required to ensure solid top 4 D man.
New guy2 - young defenseman with top 4 upside (e.g. Livingstone). Goal is to flip New Guy2 with Bear when ready.
Re-sign Schenn
Move on from Poolman (LTIR/retire) and Dermott (I would keep Dermott over OEL but that ain't going to happen)
Develop Re-Petey, Truscott, Johansson, Jurmo, hoping one or two will hit, with aim to buyout OEL in two years.

 

[sting101]

No offense to Burroughs but he's been awful. Not an NHLer sorry. Abbotsford sure but even then with Juulsen Woo and Johansson there really is no spot for him. Any roster with him on it might as well have us re acquiring Stillman and rolling out the same mess as last year

Tough kid gteat story but it's probably time to move on unless he's cool with that role. His agent will work hard to keep him in the NHL

 

[MS]

No offense to Burroughs but he's been awful. Not an NHLer sorry. Abbotsford sure but even then with Juulsen Woo and Johansson there really is no spot for him. Any roster with him on it might as well have us re acquiring Stillman and rolling out the same mess as last year

Tough kid gteat story but it's probably time to move on unless he's cool with that role. His agent will work hard to keep him in the NHL

I'm fine keeping him at league minimum as a 7-8 guy with some toughness but equally fine moving on.

 

[Nucker101]

No offense to Burroughs but he's been awful. Not an NHLer sorry. Abbotsford sure but even then with Juulsen Woo and Johansson there really is no spot for him. Any roster with him on it might as well have us re acquiring Stillman and rolling out the same mess as last year

Tough kid gteat story but it's probably time to move on unless he's cool with that role. His agent will work hard to keep him in the NHL

I'd keep him in the AHL, AHL still has goons running around so having another guy around who's not afraid to drop the gloves is good.

 

[JohnHodgson]

$8M comparison is ridiculous I was told.

And it still is.

Try doing a deeper dive instead of just parroting bad takes.

Hronek is no where near $8M. The fact that you think so says a lot.

 

[theKRAKhouse]

No offense to Burroughs but he's been awful. Not an NHLer sorry. Abbotsford sure but even then with Juulsen Woo and Johansson there really is no spot for him. Any roster with him on it might as well have us re acquiring Stillman and rolling out the same mess as last year

Tough kid gteat story but it's probably time to move on unless he's cool with that role. His agent will work hard to keep him in the NHL

Oh he’d be fine on the 4th pair with OEL

 

[Peter Griffin]

And it still is.

Try doing a deeper dive instead of just parroting bad takes.

Hronek is no where near $8M. The fact that you think so says a lot.

I already dealt with you in the other thread, no need to rehash this.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I already dealt with you in the other thread, no need to rehash this.

All good - we already know.

$8M for Hronek



Makar should make $13M then.

 

[Peter Griffin]

All good - we already know.

$8M for Hronek



Makar should make $13M then.

And he would be making $12M if he was signing a new contract after next season. Or maybe Colorado could use contracts signed 7 years ago like you suggest to bring his value down.

 

[Nucker42]

NCAA players to have a look at

Jake Livingstone - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jake Livingstone, 1999-04-16 Creston, BC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Milwaukee Admirals. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Collin Graf - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Collin Graf, 2002-09-21 Lincoln, MA, USA USA. Most recently in the AHL with San Jose Barracuda. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Sam Malinski - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Sam Malinski, 1998-07-27 Lakeville, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with Colorado Avalanche. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Austen Swankler - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Austen Swankler, 2001-08-21 North Huntingdon, PA, USA USA. Most recently in the SPHL with Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Ryan McAllister - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Ryan McAllister, 2001-12-19 London, ON, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Charlotte Checkers. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Max Sasson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Max Sasson, 2000-09-05 Birmingham, MI, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with Vancouver Canucks. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Jacob Bengtsson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Jacob Bengtsson, 1999-05-08 Stockholm, SWE Sweden. Most recently in the SHL with Brynäs IF. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Will Zmolek - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Will Zmolek, 1999-04-02 Rochester, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the ECHL with Iowa Heartlanders. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Chris Jandric - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Chris Jandric, 1998-10-03 Prince George, BC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the ECHL with Trois-Rivières Lions. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

I love this shit…. Has to be one of the main reasons they opened up so many slots… went through this earlier but on top of the 6 current slots (more like 5 because Bloom is signed but slid) there’s another 6-8 off the books between RFA/UFA that likely walk….

Here’s my with list:

1. Livingstone RHD - slides into the NHL lineup right away. Everyone says he’s smart and NHL ready.

2. Malinski RHD - watched video and love the way he moves… sort of a poor man’s Adam Fox (don’t @ me).

3. Hirose LHD- plays with Livingstone. Highly touted. Plays calm and skates well.

4. Jacob Bengtsson LHD- has size, on Faber list as well. Swedish lefty D

1-2 of the forwards would be nice as well but to be honest I don’t really care…. If they are able to sign 2 of these guys it would be a huge win.