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[DonnyNucker]

Why are you so sure that we can move Garland/Beauvillier without?

Also Garland/Beauvillier are definitely more versatile and you can throw them wherever in the lineup. Boeser has more dead cap than either of those players and I have no confidence in him in a bottom 6 role.

They need to waive Boeser. His special treatment isn’t fair to the rest of the roster. How is this plug still on the PP. it’s f***ing embarrassing

 

[JohnHodgson]

You don’t seem to grasp the concept that players make considerably more when they hit their UFA years. The bridge contracts have disappeared for the most part but UFA aged players get paid the most by far. The Canucks should’ve just signed Pettersson for 8 years at $7.35M if that wasn’t the case.


It absolutely does. When Ekblad signed for $7.5M in 2016 it equated to 10.3% of the salary cap. A comparable contract under the current salary cap would be $8.6M. If the cap continues to go up, so will salaries. This isn’t a difficult concept.


How is Hronek a #3 d-man? He’s averaged over 22 min/game the past 3 seasons and is absolutely comparable in most aspects with Mikhail Sergachev who signed his deal coming off very similar seasons to Hronek.


I also mentioned Travis Sanheim who IMO hasn’t produced at the same rate as Hronek and has averaged less ice-time the past 4/5 seasons. He’s making $6.25M long term so I don’t think it’s inconceivable to expect Hronek to be making $1M~ more.

Your entire issue is you saw me post that Hronek would be asking for $8M and automatically assumed I said he’d get $8M. I never suggested he’ll get that. But he will get a helluva lot more than a guy like John Marino who is actually cost controlled for more than a year. That has always been my issue with this Hronek trade. We’ve got him for 1 year on a great deal then we’re faced with paying UFA prices to keep him or get an arbitration award and likely lose him.

How is Hronek a #3 d-man? He’s averaged over 22 min/game the past 3 seasons and is absolutely comparable in most aspects with Mikhail Sergachev who signed his deal coming off very similar seasons to Hronek.


Are you really comparing a defensemans ice time on one of the worst teams in the league compared to a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals three times in a row????

What are we even doing here?

We just gonna start saying shit for the sake of saying shit?

I'm not even going to respond to the rest because the fact you're using ICE TIME on two POLAR opposite teams (in terms of standings/quality) to use as a baseline for a comparison is downright stupid. All good though - you're entitled to you're own opinion.

 

[ziploc]

lol at everyone thinking we'll dump Myers. or even that we should. We would immediately have a need for another defenseman. We just went through this with Tanev. Myers is overpaid but not completely useless.

Our wingers are the surplus

Yeah, let’s run back this world class defence.

We have three crappy defence contracts: OEL, Poolman, and Myers. All three ideally need to go, but Myers is likely the most realistic, though not easy.

Yes, we need to move on from Boeser/Garland, maybe Both. There are no shortages of crap contracts in this team. But the defence is the most egregious.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I'd almost roll the dice on any of these guys instead of dealing with Myers at 6 mil:
Trevor Van Riemsdyk, Calvin de Haan, Dmitry Kulikov, Ian Cole, Dmitry Kulikov

A Kulikov-Kulikov pairing could really be something.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I'm hoping Myers can be dealt for a 3C. Thinking that after his bonus is paid, might have a team with an over priced center that has been replaced in the top 6 and would rather save cash and redistribute the cap into a RD.

As for OEL, I see 2 options. First, he pulls a Naslund. Has a few more million due than Naslund but he could make some of that back playing in Europe. (Ya, not happening.)

The only other option imo is hope he can come back healthy and the new coaching staff can rebuild his game. Never going to be a $7m player at this point, but it's not too outlandish to think he could be an NHL level player with more insulation and more structure. A trade or buy out is a pipe dream this off season imo.

Myers for Henrique is my dream trade if Anaheim wants to save money.

They have 2 NHL defenseman heading into next year.

 

[rypper]

Vancouver just made the biggest and best signing for next season. You guys don't even know...

Get ready...

 

[JohnHodgson]

I wouldn't be looking to cut bait on Lekkiermaki just yet, especially not as a throw in on a cap dump trade.

I get his value is low, but he just had a season from hell as far as injury and illness went. There's valid concerns about his overall development. But I'd like to afford him a chance to get his feet back under him next season before determining what we do or don't have with him.

Exactly.

Anybody remember Jared McCann??

Or Gustav Forsling???

Almost unheard of to trade prospects with upside so early after being drafted. Could be a fatal mistake to trade Lekkiermaki just to see him blossom somewhere else.

 

[Josepho]

Exactly.

Anybody remember Jared McCann??

Or Gustav Forsling???

Almost unheard of to trade prospects with upside so early after being drafted. Could be a fatal mistake to trade Lekkiermaki just to see him blossom somewhere else.

Both of those guys were actually having decent development when we moved them.

I find it weird that people label it as "giving up on a player" when it's basically just allocating the value of the prospect to do something different.

Myers for Henrique is my dream trade if Anaheim wants to save money.

They have 2 NHL defenseman heading into next year.

This is actually a very interesting and plausible idea and probably preferable to dumping a pick.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

A Kulikov-Kulikov pairing could really be something.

I mean, it is possible....

Dmitri Kulikov (b.1971) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Dmitri Kulikov, a hockey player from Novocheboksarsk, Russia born Nov 27 1971 who was active from 1995 to 2006.

www.hockeydb.com

 

[Peter Griffin]

How is Hronek a #3 d-man? He’s averaged over 22 min/game the past 3 seasons and is absolutely comparable in most aspects with Mikhail Sergachev who signed his deal coming off very similar seasons to Hronek.


Are you really comparing a defensemans ice time on one of the worst teams in the league compared to a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals three times in a row????

What are we even doing here?

We just gonna start saying shit for the sake of saying shit?

How do you think players are paid the contracts they receive? If Hronek was an UFA right now and teams were courting him there would be enough teams willing to pay him to play as a #2 defenseman based on his proven ability to handle those minutes for years.

Mikhail Sergachev was also quite clearly the #3 defensemen on those Tampa Bay teams as well. So maybe they both are #3 defensemen.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest because the fact you're using ICE TIME on two POLAR opposite teams (in terms of standings/quality) to use as a baseline for a comparison is downright stupid. All good though - you're entitled to you're own opinion.

Ya ya, just like the last thread. Do me a favour, just stop responding to my posts in general, you’re a waste of time.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Exactly.

Anybody remember Jared McCann??

Or Gustav Forsling???

Almost unheard of to trade prospects with upside so early after being drafted. Could be a fatal mistake to trade Lekkiermaki just to see him blossom somewhere else.

Jared McCann was 19 years old and looking okay at times at the NHL level. He was outperforming Jake Virtanen and had a better track record...

Likewise, Forsling looked like an exceptional talent in the 2015 WJC and I was so hyped up about him.

Lekkiermaki is not even close to these prospects.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

Ya ya, just like the last thread. Do me a favour, just stop responding to my posts in general, you’re a waste of time.

it's really funny how much angrier that guy is than everyone else posting here. angry... about the vancouver canucks. yikes!

 

[rypper]

I find it weird that people label it as "giving up on a player" when it's basically just allocating the value of the prospect to do something different.

He's still 18. His value could increase dramatically over the next year, but we trade him to say, dump Tyler Myers?

I'm all for dumping prospects before they completely tank their value, and have probably been as frustrated as you with how often the Canucks have seemed to be guilty of it. But this is far too premature in my opinion.

 

[m9]

I would be more interested in Boeser or Garland in a deal for Henrique and it might make sense for both sides.

Wonder if Boeser for Henrique @ 50% would be a good fit for both sides. Frees up a ton of space for the Canucks and gives us a 3C bridge while maybe Boeser is a longer term piece in Anaheim.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Myers has a 10 team no trade list. I’m pretty sure he can figure out who the cap laundering teams are in this league. And contenders are not gonna have the cap space. I think he’s harder to move than people assume.

I rather buyout OEL to open up 7M cap space to be honest. I'll chip in and buy more beers at Rogers Arena if they do this.

Myers is a serviceable third pairing defenseman... if he was making $3M, nobody would bat an eye. He can also step up and play bigger minutes if needed but not necessarily a good long-term solution.

Ideally we can get rid of both.

Another type of Myers trade to explore is to acquire someone who may be overpaid or isn't working out with their team anymore that's a lower cap hit but has more term.

Wonder if Buffalo would have interest in Myers... they seem to be lacking RD on the depth chart and they have cap space. They have a very very young blue line and could use some veteran leadership. Maybe Myers for Lybuhskin?? He could be a stay-at-home Dman to play with Hughes. We would save $3.2M at the same time.

 

[Josepho]

If we get Henrique, we could roll with a lineup like this. I've honestly wondered about trying to re-profile Kravtsov as a physical 3rd liner type. He plays a heavier game than I initially expected.

Mikheyev - Pettersson - Kuzmenko
Beauvillier - Miller - Garland
Podkolzin - Henrique - Kravtsov/Guy
Joshua - Aman - Di Giuseppe

I think this would be a way quicker and more physical team than this year's.

 

[Vector]

 

[JohnHodgson]

How do you think players are paid the contracts they receive? If Hronek was an UFA right now and teams were courting him there would be enough teams willing to pay him to play as a #2 defenseman based on his proven ability to handle those minutes for years.

Mikhail Sergachev was also quite clearly the #3 defensemen on those Tampa Bay teams as well. So maybe they both are #3 defensemen.

Ya ya, just like the last thread. Do me a favour, just stop responding to my posts in general, you’re a waste of time.

He's not a UFA "right now". He's an RFA after next year ends - hence cost controlled.

Why do people on this board keep making up scenarios in their head to fit their narratives? Why don't we just operate on facts and reality instead?

Sergachev is a two-way beast with a more prove track record, was younger when he signed his deal, and helped the Lightning win two cups.

Why would you ever compare Hronek to Sergachev? Hronek's had one good year so far in his career as a two-way #2/3 defenseman. If Hronek helped Vancouver win two cups, I'd be happy to pay him 8M+. Until then...

 

[Peter Griffin]

I’d be kinda angry as a Pens fan if true. Miller would help that team a lot more over the next three seasons than Granlund will.

 

[rypper]

I’d be kinda angry as a Pens fan if true. Miller would help that team a lot more over the next three seasons than Granlund will.

I think they're plenty angry. Even the media guys aren't pulling punches. (calling for the GMs head.) Maybe if they can Hextall and Burke takes over a trade could be revisited.

 

[Vector]

I’d be kinda angry as a Pens fan if true. Miller would help that team a lot more over the next three seasons than Granlund will.

It's very amusing that it seems that most fans on both sides of the trade are upset that this never went through.

If the draft pick part from the other reporting is true, I think this lines up. Canucks willing to take on a draft-pick heavy package and use them the same way they did with Hronek.

 

[Peter Griffin]

He's not a UFA "right now". He's an RFA after next year ends - hence cost controlled.

Why do people on this board keep making up scenarios in their head to fit their narratives? Why don't we just operate on facts and reality instead?

Because after next season he’s either signing an extension that will eat up UFA years or take a 1 year arbitration award that walks him right to UFA status. I highly doubt management will be risking the latter situation given the cost to acquire him but who knows.

Sergachev is a two-way beast with a more prove track record, was younger when he signed his deal, and helped the Lightning win two cups.

Why would you ever compare Hronek to Sergachev? Hronek's had one good year so far in his career as a two-way #2/3 defenseman. If Hronek helped Vancouver win two cups, I'd be happy to pay him 8M+. Until then...

Again, I’ve never insinuated that Hronek will get what Sergachev got, but based on numbers, he’s a perfectly reasonable comparison for Hronek and his agent. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he’ll be getting over $7M on a longterm deal. Acting like he’s actually cost controlled past next year is a farce unless you only expect to keep him around for 2 years then walk away. Personally, I’d hope to get him signed for less years at a more manageable amount but I doubt Hronek would be interested.

 

[vancityluongo]

I would be more interested in Boeser or Garland in a deal for Henrique and it might make sense for both sides.

Wonder if Boeser for Henrique @ 50% would be a good fit for both sides. Frees up a ton of space for the Canucks and gives us a 3C bridge while maybe Boeser is a longer term piece in Anaheim.

Zegras-Boeser might be a fun pairing to watch that could put up a bunch of points, but it would be 2/3rds of one of the worst defensive lines imaginable.

If they want to continue adding assets (tanking), that would be a good way to do it.

 

[m9]

Zegras-Boeser might be a fun pairing to watch that could put up a bunch of points, but it would be 2/3rds of one of the worst defensive lines imaginable.

If they want to continue adding assets (tanking), that would be a good way to do it.

I think it's going to have to be a bad team that takes a chance on Boeser. No way will a competitive team want to take on a guy making double what he should be, they won't have the space.

So I think Anaheim could be an option as it would be a decent reclamation project for them, especially for free.

Maybe just wishful thinking by me.

 

[Vector]

I think it's going to have to be a bad team that takes a chance on Boeser. No way will a competitive team want to take on a guy making double what he should be, they won't have the space.

So I think Anaheim could be an option as it would be a decent reclamation project for them, especially for free.

Maybe just wishful thinking by me.

What about a dumb team? I think a dumb team might be interested in him. Also a desperate team.