Im curious to see the type of UFA we sign this offseason/end of the college season. This management group seems to be very good at finding talent on the pro side of things. I can't say much about their amatuer scouting because its too early to tell
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Just looking at our cap structure next season. Holy s**t do we need to get rid of salary. We need to deal Boeser and Myers (both 50% retained) at a minimum before we can even think of signing anybody, unless OEL is LTIR’d or bought out. And that’s assuming Pearson and Poolman stay on LTIR, which is not yet for sure.
Are there any good 3C UFA candidates out there? Seems like slim pickings. JT Compher, Pius Suter, annd Evan Rodrigues could be targets but think they are going to get paid, and the latter two anrent even playing C. Heck no to Barbashev as a C with those defensive numbers.
He with our salary structure, misguided objective of competitions, and the holes we need to fill, I could definitely see this team having an active offseason.
Are there any good 3C UFA candidates out there? Seems like slim pickings. JT Compher, Pius Suter, annd Evan Rodrigues could be targets but think they are going to get paid, and the latter two anrent even playing C. Heck no to Barbashev as a C with those defensive numbers.
He with our salary structure, misguided objective of competitions, and the holes we need to fill, I could definitely see this team having an active offseason.
Bourne Endeavor
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As noted above, you hope for the best but never bet on it.
If the cap does go up, then the discussion of buying out OEL makes some sense even if I still feel it's not worthwhile. Doing it before and hoping it goes up could put us in a position where we may lose Hronek or Kuzmenko because we simply don't have the cap space to re-sign them.
The issue with buying out OEL isn't just the cap penalty but we then have to sign his replacement. So for those two years, we essentially have OEL on the roster as we're not going to find someone good for less than 2.5M.
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Would a d of:
Hughes - Livingston
OEL - Hronek
Wolanin - Myers
Brisebois - Bear
Be good enough to compete? Who needs to be upgraded the most given the cost?
Wolanin as OEL’s replacement making minimum is doing fine.
Any depth lvl defenseman making 800k can probably provide the same level of quality as OEL right now. That’s why buying him out is very compelling
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Compete for playoffs? Sure if everything goes right.
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The cup? No chance.
We need another Left and Right Defensive D and get rid of OEL
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The whole goal for our Franchise is and will always be as long as the Family owns the team is to do everything to make the playoffs. getting the most money out of the brand whether it is expensive tickets, outragous prices on food and beverages or more Jerseys then a European soccer team or that elusive playoff revenue.
if you just remember that Canuck Sports and Entertainment is a business first and foremost and a Hockey club second all there moves will not be so infuriating
if you just remember that Canuck Sports and Entertainment is a business first and foremost and a Hockey club second all there moves will not be so infuriating
Probably not a great idea to bank on a college free agent to step right into the NHL and play top pairing minutes.
Mr. Canucklehead
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The Canucks aren’t going to be competing for the Cup in the next year or two or what have you. But we need to start to see a progression in that direction. First step is making this a team that can get into the playoffs not just as a one off, but consistently - and then build and tweak from there to turn from a playoff contender into a Cup contender.
It’s a process this team needs to be patient with.
Not a UFA and I doubt it's possible, but I would love Vancouver to try to pry Nicolas Roy out of Vegas and see how he can do as our 3C with some decent line mates. 26, signed to a good long-term contract, stuck behind Vegas center depth (Eichel, Karlsson, Stephenson) and a team that has some cap issues. Would still cost some high end assets to acquire though.
Something like Podkolzin - Roy - Garland would be a miserable line to play against.
Again what about the penalty of having to pay Miller 7.2 mil to play in your top 6? Its costing you less to buy him out, and pay a 6th dman who will actually be better.
Like OEL playing at 7.2 < OEL buyout 4.7 + Wolanin at 1.5
And it still uses less cap at its worse point.
I don't think the owners will ok the move, but it really makes sense.
Mr. Canucklehead
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With PDG being signed now, Drance and Dhaliwal said they feel something on Juulsen gets done sooner rather than later.
Unfortunately, sounds like there hasn't been any talks with Wolanin or Burroughs' representatives.
Also, talks with Bear have gone cold.
Unfortunately, sounds like there hasn't been any talks with Wolanin or Burroughs' representatives.
Also, talks with Bear have gone cold.
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theguardianII
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That is an issue, there is no chat about the cap going up at all and usually there is.
The recent bankruptcies of RSN's in the states, three so far, will impact the cap negatively. About 2/3 of US teams will be hit with negative cash flows of major proportions, while I cannot say for certain but some teams finances took the millions paid overall into daily accounts and may have even borrowed with that income expected to pay off credit.
IF the cap were to go down there is no way Pettersson will sign a long term contract IF he re-signs here at all.
If the cap goes up by only 4 million buying out OEL is out of the question for another 2 years minimum.
It is funny that GM's don't seem to work within a budget for the future.
One of the very few things they can build around with certainty is how much they are going to spend. Do they have a number for Pettersson already? Are they sure that it is enough or is it a hope and prayer that he signs for what THEY say and not what he wants?
What IF, Petey wants only a 3 year deal? Or goes to arbitration? What IF that number is along McDavid salary numbers? Or more?
Are there any projections for the next 3 or 4 years?
IMO the Canucks as constructed should make the playoffs next year, too many other teams in the conference will be re-tooling or rebuilding and capped out. They should be able to get a WC spot easily. But then a probable one and done with a re-tool. rebuild after. The team just isn't set up in cap structure or age of players to keep this group together.
Already next year's cap is estimated at 83.5 million with 100 million in salaries and only 17 players signed. Not great. Even if they buyout OEL they still only have an additional 7 mil for all those players and the next year that cap hit gets bigger and the year after doubles again. 18.5 million in signing bonuses. That also carries an unavoidable cap hit.
Miller is playing pretty good right now, so was Giroux at 31, Toews at 30, Kopitar at 30, Getslaf at 31 all these guys fell off a cliff in ice time and points some more than others. There are many examples of player decline at age 31 on, sometimes really big declines and others less so because the team re-tooled earlier.
IMO next year the playoffs include;
Vegas
Oilers
Kings
Avalanche
Wild
Stars
Kraken
Canucks
Jets
**Ducks**
Without any additional big moves this looks to be the teams competing for a spot, maybe not in perfect order but the other teams still look to be stepping back.
The Canucks really only have to compete against the Kraken and Ducks IMO to make it, almost a gimme though.
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There seems to be no plan for that. 25th and capped out and next year it is worse. 17 players signed and 83.5 million already committed with no Ferland's LTIR.
Miller is playing good enough that there will be interest and there will be younger players available from some teams due to cap issues.
BUT IMO this team HAS to get a handle on the cap, it is one thing that they can do that isn't reliant upon luck or what other teams do.
IMO with the cap under control it allows them more control over other aspects of the team
All the current contracts point to a one and done playoff effort, next year and then cap hell
Bourne Endeavor
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Except that buyout lasts until 2031. Yes, it goes down to roughly two million in the later years but look at how tight things got with the Luongo penalty. Not to mention, it also prevents any sort of LTIRetirement scenario or simply trading OEL. Even if it cost us a pick or two, that's still better than buying out OEL.
A buy out means we're now stuck with a penalty throughout most of Pettersson and Hughes' prime years whereas even if he stayed here until 2027, they'd still be younger than Horvat and Miller are now.
Buying out OEL right now does almost nothing for us because we can't actually use the initial savings we get. It's better to wait until 2025 or 2026 where we only deal with 4.1M for a year or two when we know exactly where the cap is instead of hoping it rises.
And like I said, we can only hope by that point he just goes the way of every other veteran player on the end of their contract.
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What do you mean you can't use the savings right away? The first year actually ends up being the best year.
You realize just how bad OEL has been this year. The fact every player we have plugged in instead of him has looked better, even the last dozen or so games of Stillman looked better.
If you have time to prepare for the penalty it isn't that bad. It is when you can't prepare for it you get screwed.
If you can predict an OEL LTIR great if not... Lucic is still playing. That is just hoping and dreaming at this stage. If it looked like a real option sure.
An ideal 3C Roy is, but unlikely Vegas would get rid of him I think when they could just pay to get rid of Karlsson instead. Roy’s on a great deal. That being said it’s Vegas so who knows. If Roy was available we’d likely have to overpay to get him in the same division as many teams would want a player like that.
100%. Very jealous they can have a guy like Roy cantering their 4th line or moving up and down the line up.
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