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[Peen]

We can make significant improvements to the roster without buying out OEL.

Poolman/Pearson LTI’d. Trade Myers and Boeser. That’s a lot of salary space to acquire two matchup D, and a matchup 2/3C.

Let OEL ride the press box for an entire year.

 

[ziploc]

OEL on LTIR is BCS (best case scenario). Otherwise, the situation is completely FUBAR.

 

[krutovsdonut]

assuming oel is healthy, isn't a maximum retention trade better than buying him out?

50% would make him a $3.6m aav player. would we need to pay a team to take him on for that? look at jack johnson.

4 years at a $3.6m dead cap hit is definitely better than buying him out.

if we retained 33% he is a $4.7m player and it is 4 years at $2.35m

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

Seeing a few clips of Malinski, I really hope we can land this guy. His lateral mobility and puck control are pretty intriguing. His ability in the offensive zone to shake wingers trying to pressure him reminds me of Hughes-lite. He looks like a real puck mover.

 

[credulous]

buying out oel is peak short term thinking. 7 mil in cap space next year isn't worth the penalties. once you buy him out the penalties are irrevocable and permanent. going into the 2025 offseason (when kuzmenko expires) with oel on the books at least gives you some options to clear salary even if they aren't particularly appealing. once you have that 4.8 mil penalty on the books you have to find some other way to move money

keep him at least two more years then investigate a trade with retention, paying to dump him on whatever 2025's version of the blackhawks is or maybe he'll just retire or be an ltiretirement candidate by then. worst case you buy him out then and the penalties are lighter than they are now

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

I would sit OEL for the rest of the season with the aim to have him ready to go for training camp. Let him rest and rehab whatever is ailing him. Then hope that he can hold down a role with fewer demanding minutes. He's young enough that there should be a chance he can bounce back if he's committed to doing that. No way we should be jumping the gun on buying out that moster contract.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

assuming oel is healthy, isn't a maximum retention trade better than buying him out?

50% would make him a $3.6m aav player. would we need to pay a team to take him on for that? look at jack johnson.

4 years at a $3.6m dead cap hit is definitely better than buying him out.

if we retained 33% he is a $4.7m player and it is 4 years at $2.35m

At 50% retained OEL is $14.4M in dead cap to the team receiving him. At 33% retained he's $18.8M in dead cap. You tell me, what will it cost the Canucks to move off that? Their first this year? Two firsts? It cost them a second to clear like, $4M of Dickinson's dead cap.

On top of that there is his NMC. An OEL trade is wishful, unserious thinking.

We can make significant improvements to the roster without buying out OEL.

Poolman/Pearson LTI’d.

This is wishful thinking. It might happen, but you can't plan on it (especially Poolman, who is reportedly skating with teammates again).

Trade Myers and Boeser.

Boeser is going nowhere.

 

[JohnHodgson]

regarding OEL?

first off people are remembering how he finished hobbling around on a bad leg and losing sight of the fact he was our 2nd best defenseman the last 2 yrs.

I would be shocked if we bought him out. I'm pretty certain whether it's with Hronek or Bear he will be expected to be in our top4 and having a bounce back year after allowing him the time to heal and train. He already produced positive results with bear and Hronek is better.

Lastly we have a player who's body is getting worn down. LTIR is a real possibility over the next couple years Buying him out (going back to the first point) makes no sense

Take the trade out of your head, take the part of the year where he could barely lift himself off the ice and turn out of your head.

I dont see it. Attaching 8yrs and 20 million to Aqua and our cap is not in the cards

OEL was good for the first 40 games last year and tailed off.

He was downright horrendous this year and one of the worst dman in the league.

He’s absolutely cooked bro.

He’s turning 32 in a couple months. The best case is to buy him out.

You want to gamble this organization’s playoff hopes on OEL?

Hell nah. Give me that cap space.

OEL on LTIR is BCS (best case scenario). Otherwise, the situation is completely FUBAR.

He’s not going to LTIRetire - at least not right now… maybe never.

That’s just a straight up dream.

He’s only 32 so he probably thinks he has a lot of gas in the tank (he doesn’t)

I would sit OEL for the rest of the season with the aim to have him ready to go for training camp. Let him rest and rehab whatever is ailing him. Then hope that he can hold down a role with fewer demanding minutes. He's young enough that there should be a chance he can bounce back if he's committed to doing that. No way we should be jumping the gun on buying out that moster contract.

Let’s put this organization’s playoff hopes on a 7M #6/7 D that was probably one of the worst dmen in the league this year??

That would be a bad move.

 

[JohnHodgson]

buying out oel is peak short term thinking. 7 mil in cap space next year isn't worth the penalties. once you buy him out the penalties are irrevocable and permanent. going into the 2025 offseason (when kuzmenko expires) with oel on the books at least gives you some options to clear salary even if they aren't particularly appealing. once you have that 4.8 mil penalty on the books you have to find some other way to move money

keep him at least two more years then investigate a trade with retention, paying to dump him on whatever 2025's version of the blackhawks is or maybe he'll just retire or be an ltiretirement candidate by then. worst case you buy him out then and the penalties are lighter than they are now

This post doesn’t make sense.

4.8M penalty is still less than what OEL is making in year 3 and 4.

It then drops to a palatable $2M after, in which the cap should be going up.

We can make significant improvements to the roster without buying out OEL.

Poolman/Pearson LTI’d. Trade Myers and Boeser. That’s a lot of salary space to acquire two matchup D, and a matchup 2/3C.

Let OEL ride the press box for an entire year.

Not surprised you came up with the worst solution out of all the possible combinations

If we’re going to pay OEL 7M, he’s not going to be riding the press box for 4 years bro.

 

[Vector]

I'm extremely hesitant to believe that the cap will go up. Unless something unexpected happens, it will probably only slowly grow at the same rate it has during the pandemic. A best case scenario actually might be if the cap recedes slightly or remains completely stagnant and the NHL permits compliance buyouts.

 

[Horvat1C]

I genuinely can't wrap my head around how people want to buy out OEL. Its the same type of short term "Benning" kind of move that lives forever on these boards.

A player past 30 with multiple injuries that are similar in nature (ankle/leg) including one right now is logically a decent candidate to be LTIRed at some point.

Plus there is the real possibility that OEL was playing injured this year and he'll be better next year with more than a full offseason of healing and training.

Strapping ourselves with 8 years of dead, unmovable cap is counterproductive every single time.

 

[credulous]

This post doesn’t make sense.

4.8M penalty is still less than what OEL is making in year 3 and 4.

It then drops to a palatable $2M after, in which the cap should be going up.

you can't trade a cap penalty. once that 4.8m penalty is on the books it's unmoveable. you *can* trade oel although it will be expensive and difficult

the canucks have pettersson, hronek, beauvillier and kuzmenko needing raises on/before july 2025. the only salary dropping off before then is myers, boeser, pearson and poolman and presumably at least some of that money is going to go to improving the defense and center depth. you can move out beauvillier and replace him cheaply, sure, but other than that moving oel's contract represents the best chance of making space for all those raises in 2025

 

[JohnHodgson]

I genuinely can't wrap my head around how people want to buy out OEL. Its the same type of short term "Benning" kind of move that lives forever on these boards.

A player past 30 with multiple injuries that are similar in nature (ankle/leg) including one right now is logically a decent candidate to be LTIRed at some point.

Plus there is the real possibility that OEL was playing injured this year and he'll be better next year with more than a full offseason of healing and training.

Strapping ourselves with 8 years of dead, unmovable cap is counterproductive every single time.

You really can't wrap the idea of buying out a $7M cap anchor (that has 4 more years remaining on his deal)?

OEL is only 32 in a couple months. He played 79 games last year and has been relatively durable his entire career.

He has 4 more years on his deal... expecting him to be LTIRed is just a dream/fantasy at this point in time.

When the buyout is $2M, it's negligible to the cap. Minnesota is a legitimate contender with $12M in dead cap. $2M dead cap is honestly not a big deal year over year.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

In terms of *realistically* clearing salary this offseason, I think they'll be able to move the guys with one year remaining: Beauvilier (hence the showcasing with Petey IMO), Myers after his bonus is paid, and if Pearson is healthy I think they will need a small sweetener to move him.

And of course a potential OEL buyout/LTIR situation. Not sure what the chances of that are, but that's basically it.

 

[JohnHodgson]

you can't trade a cap penalty. once that 4.8m penalty is on the books it's unmoveable. you *can* trade oel although it will be expensive and difficult

the canucks have pettersson, hronek, beauvillier and kuzmenko needing raises on/before july 2025. the only salary dropping off before then is myers, boeser, pearson and poolman and presumably at least some of that money is going to go to improving the defense and center depth. you can move out beauvillier and replace him cheaply, sure, but other than that moving oel's contract represents the best chance of making space for all those raises in 2025

OEL has a NMC.

We would have to pay a first round pick and more to trade him (depneding when).

An OEL trade at this point is again, so unrealistic to the point that it's not even worth talking about.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

OEL is only 32 in a couple months. He played 79 games last year and has been relatively durable his entire career.

OEL dragging a dead leg around the ice like a horse that needs to be put down doesn't make him "durable".

 

[JohnHodgson]

In terms of *realistically* clearing salary this offseason, I think they'll be able to move the guys with one year remaining: Beauvilier (hence the showcasing with Petey IMO), Myers after his bonus is paid, and if Pearson is healthy I think they will need a small sweetener to move him.

And of course a potential OEL buyout/LTIR situation. Not sure what the chances of that are, but that's basically it.

Dude's turning 32 and has been relatively durable his whole career. He played 79 games last year for us.

He's NOT going to LTIRetire anytime soon.

I would love to be wrong about it but I don't think so.

 

[credulous]

In terms of *realistically* clearing salary this offseason, I think they'll be able to move the guys with one year remaining: Beauvilier (hence the showcasing with Petey IMO), Myers after his bonus is paid, and if Pearson is healthy I think they will need a small sweetener to move him.

And of course a potential OEL buyout/LTIR situation. Not sure what the chances of that are, but that's basically it.

i think their priority is to move boeser and if that isn't possible to try to move garland and then if that isn't possible move beauvillier

i don't think they'll move myers. the ntc makes it tricky and i don't think they'll be comfortably going into the season with hronek, bear and poolman as their only options on the right side

i think pearson gets bought out if he is healthy 100% of the time

 

[JohnHodgson]

OEL dragging a dead leg around the ice like a horse that needs to be put down doesn't make him "durable".

That's not the point.

Most players will try everything to play before they retire.

He won't be effective anymore but he's going to try to play.

You have to consider this from OEL's perspective. There's no way he's going to give up on his career like this lol. Canucks really don't have control when it comes to the LTIR situation.

 

[Horvat1C]

You really can't wrap the idea of buying out a $7M cap anchor (that has 4 more years remaining on his deal)?

OEL is only 32 in a couple months. He played 79 games last year and has been relatively durable his entire career.

He has 4 more years on his deal... expecting him to be LTIRed is just a dream/fantasy at this point in time.

When the buyout is $2M, it's negligible to the cap. Minnesota is a legitimate contender with $12M in dead cap. $2M dead cap is honestly not a big deal year over year.

I'm not arguing that OEL will be worth his cap hit. I'm arguing that 8 years of dead cap instead of 4 years of moveable cap is not good. Weber was also pretty durable until the last couple years of his career, the timeframe that OEL is now entering. Even if OEL plays out his entire contract and doesn't get LTIRed I still wouldn't buy him out.

You believe Minnesota is a legitimate contender?

 

[krutovsdonut]

At 50% retained OEL is $14.4M in dead cap to the team receiving him. At 33% retained he's $18.8M in dead cap. You tell me, what will it cost the Canucks to move off that? Their first this year? Two firsts? It cost them a second to clear like, $4M of Dickinson's dead cap.

On top of that there is his NMC. An OEL trade is wishful, unserious thinking.


This is wishful thinking. It might happen, but you can't plan on it (especially Poolman, who is reportedly skating with teammates again).

Boeser is going nowhere.

i said assuming he is healthy. you seem to be assuming the player we saw this year was healthy but just bad. i tend to think it was injuries old or new, so unhealthy.

if he is completely healthy but forgot how to hockey then yes we are screwed. similarly, if he is chronically unhealthy but still stubbornly playing then, obviously, things get much harder. but hockey teams have a huge lever of a buy out alternative to persuade a player like that to go to robidas island.

if he has chronic ankle or knee issues as has been rumoured he can be robidas certified at any time as soon as he feels the pain is too much. the nhl will not second guess an ltir retireent due to chronic pain diagnosis if there are underlying chronic injuries.

i don't know what reason oel would have to prolong his misery in the nhl if he is condemned to be the player we now see. i think the biggest risk is oel wants one more kick at the can, so we may have to work around him next year.

 

[credulous]

minnesota only bought out those contracts because they would have lost kaprizov if they hadn't. vancouver are going to use the money to sign gavrikov or something. it's not the same situation at all

 

[JohnHodgson]

I'm not arguing that OEL will be worth his cap hit. I'm arguing that 8 years of dead cap instead of 4 years of moveable cap is not good. Weber was also pretty durable until the last couple years of his career, the timeframe that OEL is now entering. Even if OEL plays out his entire contract and doesn't get LTIRed I still wouldn't buy him out.

You believe Minnesota is a legitimate contender?

Minny is a very good team - could make it to WCF and it wouldn't be a surprise. Keep in mind they have $12M in dead cap.

$2M in dead cap in 4 years... the % of dead cap is going to be nothing compared to what Minny has to endure.

What will $2M buy you in 4 years? Maybe a bottom pairing defenseman or a bottom six forward?

minnesota only bought out those contracts because they would have lost kaprizov if they hadn't. vancouver are going to use the money to sign gavrikov or something. it's not the same situation at all

You're missing the point (as per usual LOL).

$2M in dead cap in 4 years is absolutely negligible in terms of building out a cap sheet.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

i said assuming he is healthy. you seem to be assuming the player we saw this year was healthy but just bad. i tend to think it was injuries old or new, so unhealthy.

In the last 4 season, OEL has played "okay" for 40 games, and godawful for 200. Yes, I am assuming that the 200 is his true level of contribution.

 

[credulous]

You're missing the point (as per usual LOL).

$2M in dead cap in 4 years is absolutely negligible in terms of building out a cap sheet.

do you need to be so abrasive all the time?

i'm not missing the point. i don't think the 2.2 in penalties from 2027 to 2031 is particularly meaningful. i think the 4.8 in 2025 and 2026 is a team killer