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Peen said:
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Which is precisely what scares me. Rielly hasn't remotely lived up to that contract this season. Granted, he has a terrific season prior. Ideally, we can talk him down into the 6M range. Of course, if he's good enough to ask for 7M, then it's an entirely different discussion.

As for OEL, I just can't see a buyout being in the cards. Especially not when we're gambling on the cap going up to compensate for it.
 
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Bourne Endeavor said:
Which is precisely what scares me. Rielly hasn't remotely lived up to that contract this season. Granted, he has a terrific season prior. Ideally, we can talk him down into the 6M range. Of course, if he's good enough to ask for 7M, then it's an entirely different discussion.

As for OEL, I just can't see a buyout being in the cards. Especially not when we're gambling on the cap going up to compensate for it.
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What does the OEL buyout look like in 2024-25 when Hronek needs a new deal? Edit, just ran it on the simulator.

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Mudshark50 said:
What does the OEL buyout look like in 2024-25 when Hronek needs a new deal?
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146k
2.346M
4.766M
4.766M
2.126M
2.126M
2.126M
2.126M

That's the breakdown if we buy him out this summer. So 2024-2025 isn't bad but very next season we essentially double our penalty for two straight years. Now if we had some players on ELCs coming up, we could maybe deal with. Alas, this organization seems to hate drafting.

Another problem is that 4.766M penalty comes in right when Pettersson's contract is up. There's no way he isn't getting 10+ especially if the cap does go up. It just doesn't make sense to incur that much of a penalty for such a long time. Our best hope is that OEL gets LTIRetired at some point and we just pretend his cap hit never existed.
 
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Bourne Endeavor said:
146k
2.346M
4.766M
4.766M
2.126M
2.126M
2.126M
2.126M

That's the breakdown if we buy him out this summer. So 2024-2025 isn't bad but very next season we essentially double our penalty for two straight years. Now if we had some players on ELCs coming up, we could maybe deal with. Alas, this organization seems to hate drafting.

Another problem is that 4.766M penalty comes in right when Pettersson's contract is up. There's no way he isn't getting 10+ especially if the cap does go up. It just doesn't make sense to incur that much of a penalty for such a long time. Our best hope is that OEL gets LTIRetired at some point and we just pretend his cap hit never existed.
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Moreover, the two years in which the cap hit would spike are the years this management team seems to believe it will be competitive for the cup (perhaps 24-25 as well). I don't think the buyout will happen.
 
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Lindgren said:
Moreover, the two years in which the cap hit would spike are the years this management team seems to believe it will be competitive for the cup (perhaps 24-25 as well). I don't think the buyout will happen.
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Those 2 years could also be the years when the cap shoots up so it wouldn’t affect us as much as long as they manage to figure out a pipeline of affordable talent.
 
arttk said:
Those 2 years could also be the years when the cap shoots up so it wouldn’t affect us as much as long as they manage to figure out a pipeline of affordable talent.
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Those two years are also years where the cap could go down, or remain the same.


The bankruptcy of that network in the states could be just the beginning.
Groceries, gas and pretty much every thing is costing more- the increase in costs maybe enough to force some of the ticket buying public to not renew their seasons pass- or slow individual game sales.

Hope for the best, but never, bet on it. Basing decisions on having more cap, can totally destroy things if the cap goes stagnant.
 
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ziploc said:
So...

Hughes - Bear (?)
Gavrikov - Hornek
OEL - Wolanin (?)
Brisebois, Livingstone (?)

This obviously assumes we jettison Myers.

That would be a better defence than this year, for sure. Depends on the cost of Gavrikov though.
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Definitely an improvement, but 1 or 2 injuries and that turns back into a lottery D corps very quickly.

God I hope we find a better partner for Hughes
 
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arttk said:
Those 2 years could also be the years when the cap shoots up so it wouldn’t affect us as much as long as they manage to figure out a pipeline of affordable talent.
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Yeah ... as long as they figure that out ...
 
Szechwan said:
Definitely an improvement, but 1 or 2 injuries and that turns back into a lottery D corps very quickly.

God I hope we find a better partner for Hughes
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That’s kind of here no there because that’s a depth issue. Ideally additional college free agents, Johansson, Brisebois, etc. would be an improvement over years past. Hell, we’re seeing an improvement already.
 
Had a dream last night I was Canucks GM and traded Hughes to NJ for Mercer, Hischier and Nemec.

Even remember telling NJ they could keep their first rounder and their GM (female??) thought long and hard and said deal lol
 
ziploc said:
So...

Hughes - Bear (?)
Gavrikov - Hronek
OEL - Wolanin (?)
Brisebois, Livingstone (?)

This obviously assumes we jettison Myers.

That would be a better defence than this year, for sure. Depends on the cost of Gavrikov though.
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I actually like this. But I think not just Myers but OEL needs to get bought out as well. You aren’t ever going to be good if he’s on your team….

Gavrikov I would go 7 years if it was a good cap hit. They need another top d man…
 
Gurn said:
Those two years are also years where the cap could go down, or remain the same.


The bankruptcy of that network in the states could be just the beginning.
Groceries, gas and pretty much every thing is costing more- the increase in costs maybe enough to force some of the ticket buying public to not renew their seasons pass- or slow individual game sales.

Hope for the best, but never, bet on it. Basing decisions on having more cap, can totally destroy things if the cap goes stagnant.
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Inflation is actually a good thing for the cap. The cap will go up to keep pace it but players on current contracts don't get a boost.
 
When a OEL buyout cap hit spikes could very well be when D Petey or possibly Reinbacher (assuming we draft him) could be NHL ready which would lessen the sting of that cap hit significantly.

At the very least it around the same timeline as that the 2021-2023 Draft class would be on ELCs or cheap contracts
 
That tocchet report about boeser sure makes it seem like they want to hang on to him. Guess they are really relying on Myers being gone, Pearson on ltir or a oel buyout
 
dbaz said:
That tocchet report about boeser sure makes it seem like they want to hang on to him. Guess they are really relying on Myers being gone, Pearson on ltir or a oel buyout
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There’s too many wingers and too much salary allocated to the position. They really do need to move Boeser or one of the other more highly paid guys if they want to improve the D.
There’s Mihkeyev, Kuzmenko, Beaulivier, Garland, Boeser who all make top 6 money. Moving Boeser clears the most cap and really gives more flexibility. I think he’s the logical guy to move.
 
Gstank said:
When a OEL buyout cap hit spikes could very well be when D Petey or possibly Reinbacher (assuming we draft him) could be NHL ready which would lessen the sting of that cap hit significantly.

At the very least it around the same timeline as that the 2021-2023 Draft class would be on ELCs or cheap contracts
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You need to post one of those IMac-ish line-up projections.

Canucks management will certainly be hoping you're right, but currently there isn't a single player in the system projecting as a top line forward or top pairing defenseman. On the back end, you have to squint to even see any of them making the top four.

Feeling OK about the OEL buyout because one young guy might be ready in three years to play decently on the bottom pair is ... well I wish I could feel that way, but it just doesn't seem realistic.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
There’s too many wingers and too much salary allocated to the position. They really do need to move Boeser or one of the other more highly paid guys if they want to improve the D.
There’s Mihkeyev, Kuzmenko, Beaulivier, Garland, Boeser who all make top 6 money. Moving Boeser clears the most cap and really gives more flexibility. I think he’s the logical guy to move.
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Logically, yes. but.. then they wouldn't make sure to report they were hoping he'd change his mind about wanting to move on
 
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