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Summary: End of March or early April for the guys on good teams (Malinski, Livingstone, etc).
Nucker42
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They can sign as soon as their seasons are over…. There’s one big tournament this weekend and some good players will becomes available for sure… then there’s another tournament in a week or two. Either way, as soon as their seasons are over they can sign.
There’s guys signing already because some teams have already lost playoffs but those are not the big ncaa teams.
Does anyone know who the NCAA player is who uses Dan Milstein as an agent?
I've said often that I think he's two years away from LTIRetirement, but he might be one season away. I highly doubt that he can play NHL minutes for much longer, and I'm sure he'd rather just stay at home than to travel with the team and practice, just to be healthy scratched.
A buyout would be an incredibly short-sighted, damaging move, IMO.
Especially if it is done to save the owner real dollars.
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I always suspected the JT Miller signing had Francesco Aquilini's fingerprints all over it. Rachel Doriere hinted at this as well. I think this management group has tried to pull the trigger on a trade twice, but were thwarted in their attempts due to the returning pieces not being to Aquilini's liking. It's dangerous when a person who has zero experience in general managing gets involved in hockey op decisions.
Yup. I was in favour of a buyout prior to the injury but an innocuous hit has resulted in OEL being put on IR and perhaps missing a month of hockey. It may be a reoccuring chronic injury and may result in him no longer getting medically cleared for action. May need another year to see how it plays out.
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i want the bartkowski thread back
theKRAKhouse
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Good for Sutter’s health, but get him away from this team. There’s no way he’d be even close to a successful 3C and he’d just take time away from Aman/4C.
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Szechwan
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I'm good with that, he deserves a shot. That said, I hope to god it isn't Van that gives him a contract.
I have to chuckle at how you're so often posting about others tantrums and freaking out, when that particular feeling seems to have begun to colour your comments.
Your take that any contract means it's commensurate to the players ability is just bizarre given the example we have playing in the Canucks in one Tyler Myers.
I'd be stoked if Hronek turns into a right handed stud, top 2 defender, and I most certainly hope he does. But there's ample evidence that he is not in fact that kind of player, and is more like a Tyson Barrie who produces more offence on a PP. Not a bad thing, but also not the biggest hole on the team.
With so little capital to play with, the margin of error management has to work with is limited. This was why I felt getting more youth through a good draft while there's still a little time to do so around Petty and Quinn made more sense. But I do understand they felt Hronek was a gamble worth making. They're obviously confident in their scouting.
I disagree but hope I'm wrong.
I would hate to have the organization's success rely on whatever OEL feels like doing in the next 4 years.
Doesn't seem like good management.
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Then I have good news for you: a buy out of OELs contract will cost FrAq more money provided the buy out is accompanied by us filling up the cap space freed up.
As for it being a damaging move, it is definitely not without its risks. But there's also an opportunity cost associated with leaving a massively underperforming contract on the books if the strategy is to go for it and maximize the peaks of EP's and QH's careers.
1. Canucks didn't get the offers/valuations they wanted. There were reportedly no big or massive offers. Line of thinking was that trade value should be equivalent or higher in the offseason. This point I agree with you.
2. You mean this year? It was reported they had discussions. They can't trade him for nothing as they have no C depth.... this will be explored in this offseason again. I don't think his trade value will be that different from the offseason to the TDL. This point is TBD.
3. Most players don't like to negotiate in season. Team didn't want to have both Horvat and Miller going into the offseason as a UFA - so they picked Miller, who was coming off a 99 point year as a 1C. I have no problems with this at all.
4. There's no guarantee they trade him. There's a very good chance he's here to stay. Not really a valid point... signing Miller locks up an asset and provides other teams cost certainty.
5. NTCs are standard for players signing these types of extensions.
I don't think your points are very good if you're trying to say management is incompetent. At they end of the day, they re-signed a 1C coming off a 99 point year. That's their direction and prerogative. Let's see in a couple years if JTM was the right decision. They could still trade him in the offseason for a decent haul, or keep him and have a great center tandem of JTM and Petey.
I get not being stoked on Hronek but there isn't "ample evidence" suggesting this. He wasn't even the Wings PP QB! Evidence actually leans the other way, that he's a strong 2-way D whose outlet passing is overrated.
Barrie comparison is specious. Brandon Montour is a better example if you're trying to be a downer about the deal.
Buresflyingelbow
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If the Canucks can add a Gavrikov and Livingston to the defence along with Hronek and draft a Reinbacher with their 1st we could have rebuilt the Defence in one offseason/trade deadline.
Long term
Hughes - Reinbacher
Gavrikov - Hronek
OEL - Livingston
That’s without a OEL buyout and I’m assuming we move out Myers or he expires at the end of next season. If we don’t add Livingston then we could add a Schenn back for bottom pair or try and trade a Garland or Boeser for someone else.
Each pairing would have a puck mover and someone to cover defensively while being relatively young in the process.
Long term
Hughes - Reinbacher
Gavrikov - Hronek
OEL - Livingston
That’s without a OEL buyout and I’m assuming we move out Myers or he expires at the end of next season. If we don’t add Livingston then we could add a Schenn back for bottom pair or try and trade a Garland or Boeser for someone else.
Each pairing would have a puck mover and someone to cover defensively while being relatively young in the process.
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Tyler Myers was an obvious scouting failure by the previous regime. Most people knew it at the time. He was playing on Wpg 3rd pairing and not faring well when forced higher in the lineup. He also got that overpaid because he was a ufa. Hronek is an rfa, the difference is massive. If Hronek was 1 year from UFA this would have been a truly awful deal.
I'm also not seeing Tyson Barrie at all. Hronek has 22 es pts, and 17 PP just to look at the numbers. The eye test doesn't look at all like Barrie either imo. There is a huge gulf filled with alternative possibilities in between "stud top 2 defender" and Barrie.
This might not have been a good trade, or the right trade at the time, or whatever but there's no reason to bring up guys like Myers and Barrie in reference to Hronek.
I saw a few clips of Malinski and he looks awesome with the puck on his stick. He looks to have tons of poise and lateral mobility. A bit Hughes like the way he fakes out defenders and avoids pressure. No idea what he's like in the defensive zone.
Not trying to be a downer about the deal, as where's the sense in that? My understanding of the kind of player Hronek is, is entirely based on others viewing and evaluation. What you're sharing is much different than what I've heard to date, so appreciate the perspective. That's certainly more evidence towards a positive outcome.
We can say what we want about him as a player for us, but just glad he is healthy again.
Please. We need his balls on this team. Testicular fortitude/60 is historically low.
I wasn't using Myers as a direct equivalent to Hronek exactly for the reasons you've shared. It's just an easy example of an error in scouting or evaluating a player not being accurate and the resulting contract being evidence of the player not worth that value.
I'm also assuming that the level of incompetence shown by Benning will not be matched by Allvin.
So, clearly there are ample examples of contracts around the league where the players have underperformed.
OK, glad to hear there are people here sharing a different take on his playing style. It makes The Wings decision to let him go all the more confounding, but let's see if it ends up being their looks.
This idea that there's only upside to this deal and there's no way we should be considering it risky seems pretty hopeful, even if my example of Barrie is well off the mark.
Good to get anther perspective on the player. I'll be a lot more positive about the team when the evidence isn't winning "meaningless games" at the end of another failed season. I'm having more difficulty than some just ignoring that reality.
Either way, I'll hold off on commenting more on Hroneks game until well into the following season.
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