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[WetcoastOrca]

Certainly Boeser is a case of volatility due to circumstances people may have underestimated but you can bet your ass teams will use that against us in a negotiation. Small sample, slow, huge salary, only 1 plus year of certainty, winger values vs C or D.

What is your idea of selling high?

Agreed. Other teams will look at his total body of work. In any event it’s an academic discussion. You don’t trade the leading goal scorer when you’re trying to make the playoffs.
One thing we can be thankful for is that they didn’t trade him for peanuts last year.

 

[sting101]

I've said this recently and I'll say it again - no interest in trading Boeser right now. The team is winning and trying to make the playoffs and he's a big part of it. If the team goes into some massive freefall OR he regresses back to being a bad contract then deal with it then.

Agree. I just keep seeing these "sell high" posts like some people haven't either digested where the team is at currently and what our coaching and management are trying to accomplish or they are just completely unable to see how important having a healthy of mind and body Brock is to Miller the PP and team.

And sell high is what......a 20-32 2024 1st and us taking back more mid tier fillers for salary to accommodate a deal? When it looks more like we need another top6 or top line winger?

If people think a couple months of Boeser playing like he is with a year and a half of a big contract with a tonne of uncertainty is going to return a top pair shut down D or a good topC that fits and doesn't piss off the chemistry i have news for ya

 

[LemonSauceD]

not just the pp. he is paying much better 5 on 5 and defensively than in the past. offensively he is our third best forward by a very significant margin and he's playing as well as injured pettersson at the moment.

It’s incredible how night and day better be is at the moment.

Boeser is playing probably his best stretch of games in his career. He’s become more of a complete player who can win puck battles, create plays, can be relied upon defensively, and of course compliment our best center at the moment by his finishing. He’s also so much more poised with the puck, knowing when to shoot and when to pass. A shoot first Boeser is one that doesn’t second guess himself, knows he has the best chance of scoring on the ice, and is able to create plays for others if he knows he can’t get a good shot off.

He also serves a clear cut role on this team. His presence is felt in that locker room. I don’t think Miller would be half as effective if Boeser was suddenly traded. Miller imploded losing Tanev, Toffoli, Stecher and Markstrom in one off season for an entire year, I wouldn’t want to see Miller implode again after losing his partner he’s really only ever played with for his entire time here.

Boeser will remain a Canuck for the rest of his contract, that much is guaranteed. Whether we wish to resign depends on his play for the rest of this season and next.

 

[sting101]

I'm all for trading Boeser or anybody if it makes us better and makes sense.

In season trades are extremely difficult if you're moving the big salary and trying to improve your team at the same time. Finding a suitor would be very difficult especially 20 games in to a season and quite frankly the odds are stacked against us if so and you're limiting potential targets.

Sell High without taking steps back and upsetting the apple cart is wishful thinking

 

[rypper]

It's Taj, so take it with a grain of salt:

 

[Diversification]

Last year they couldn't find a buyer for Boeser.

This year his contract has a positive value and his season couldn't be going better.

The sentimentalists may object but if the Nucks want to continue to building towards a championship, it may be time to move him for a "Horvat" like return.

It really depends on the return. For Pesce provided we are confident in signing him to a reasonable number and term? That's something I might consider.

 

[VanillaCoke]

alot of boeser fans now i see hmm

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Man, Drance took a lot of heat for his "trade Kuzmenko!" take last trade deadline but seeing what Tocchet wants from his players he was 100% right to do so.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

It’s shocking how so many can’t see that Kuz and Tocchet don’t mix.

Didn’t last year.

Doesn’t this year.

Kuz’s game just doesn’t fit with what Tocchet wants/expects.

Issue is, even if both sides wanted a trade, who is going to trade for him in this environment on that contract?

It’s either a lowball offer or a swap for another player that needs a change of scenery.

 

[m9]

Man, Drance took a lot of heat for his "trade Kuzmenko!" take last trade deadline but seeing what Tocchet wants from his players he was 100% right to do so.

My main issue with that was I didn't believe they would get a decent return for Kuzmenko at the trade deadline. No team was going to give a rookie winger with poor defensive play a large return. And nothing has changed in regards to that, if anything his demotion out of the lineup this year due to defensive issues has basically cemented that take.

So yeah, if you think they should have traded him for a late 2nd & a B prospect then go nuts.. because that's probably what was out there for him. Nobody was giving up a blue-chip prospect or anything for Kuzmenko. Maybe there was an out-of-nowhere non-playoff team option like Detroit wanted him for Hronek and if that was the case then fair enough.

I also think Kuzmenko will be just fine. He's struggling because he's a complementary player playing with a center who is not playing very well right now. Once EP is back, Kuzmenko will be just fine.

alot of boeser fans now i see hmm

Player plays poorly, people say that. Player plays well, people say that. That's how it should be.

If someone wants to put their head in the sand during the bad times and say that player is good then they're just as wrong as someone who is negative on how he is playing now.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

My main issue with that was I didn't believe they would get a decent return for Kuzmenko at the trade deadline. No team was going to give a rookie winger with poor defensive play a large return. And nothing has changed in regards to that, if anything his demotion out of the lineup this year due to defensive issues has basically cemented that take.

I think it's hard to speak with confidence to this. You're not factoring in his cap hit, and the reality is an asset like Kuzmenko has never been moved at the NHL trade deadline in the cap era. I think you could get into 1st round pick + territory.

And a 2nd + B prospect may seem underwhleming in the grand scheme of things, but wait until you see what they get for him this summer.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Tocc clearly takes interest in players he thinks can do better, while letting other slide for the same thing. Players he likely believes are what they are and will never change.

Kuz will go beast mode just like Hogs

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Player plays poorly, people say that. Player plays well, people say that. That's how it should be.

If someone wants to put their head in the sand during the bad times and say that player is good then they're just as wrong as someone who is negative on how he is playing now.

I think everyone was pretty much in agreement that Boeser didnt play very well last season, and the criticism was warranted...The hot takes were the comments that he was completely 'cooked' at the NHL level..and he wouldnt regain his scoring touch.

Same thing was said about an injured OEL,who had to cover for the injured first pairing D of the Panthers (leading them to an 11-5-1 record).

Some posters here are way too hasty in concluding that certain players are ready for the glue factory.

 

[VanillaCoke]

My main issue with that was I didn't believe they would get a decent return for Kuzmenko at the trade deadline. No team was going to give a rookie winger with poor defensive play a large return. And nothing has changed in regards to that, if anything his demotion out of the lineup this year due to defensive issues has basically cemented that take.

So yeah, if you think they should have traded him for a late 2nd & a B prospect then go nuts.. because that's probably what was out there for him. Nobody was giving up a blue-chip prospect or anything for Kuzmenko. Maybe there was an out-of-nowhere non-playoff team option like Detroit wanted him for Hronek and if that was the case then fair enough.

I also think Kuzmenko will be just fine. He's struggling because he's a complementary player playing with a center who is not playing very well right now. Once EP is back, Kuzmenko will be just fine.



Player plays poorly, people say that. Player plays well, people say that. That's how it should be.

If someone wants to put their head in the sand during the bad times and say that player is good then they're just as wrong as someone who is negative on how he is playing now.

I agree people that put their head in the sand calling for waivers, ignoring why a player might not be their peak best while still being plenty productive were wrong.

Considering the obvious circumstances the player never played "poorly", the pay to dump or waivers trash club were wrong and/or shortsighted, it would've been benning tier then and even stupider now a few short months later, months. The hate for brock was huge earlier this year, sample size and context be dammned.

I'm sure some will still maintain they're correct, how they were right all along to want to ditch dump a young, very skilled, practically career 55+ pts player and our "best winger on the team" & "part of the core" thirty games later.

Its okay to be incorrect, I was on lafferty he absolutely rules, but i wasn't wrong about brock all along. (Or mik ppl starting to come around lol)

 

[m9]

I agree people that put their head in the sand calling for waivers, ignoring why a player might not be their peak best while still being plenty productive were wrong.

Considering the obvious circumstances the player never played "poorly", the pay to dump or waivers trash club were wrong and/or shortsighted, it would've been benning tier then and even stupider now a few short months later, months. The hate for brock was huge earlier this year, sample size and context be dammned.

But this is what I'm talking about. He absolutely played poorly early last year and there certainly was at least circumstantial evidence that he would have had negative value at the time. If you want to ignore all that because he has since turned his game around and become an asset then I don't know what to tell you. Players get better and become better assets. Other players get worse and become worse assets. That's how it works. Obviously you want your GM to have foresight and make smart choices and figure out which is going to become which.

I'm sure some will still maintain they're correct, how they were right all along to want to ditch dump a young, very skilled, practically career 55+ pts player and our "best winger on the team" & "part of the core" thirty games later.

Its okay to be incorrect, I was on lafferty he absolutely rules, but i wasn't wrong about brock all along. (Or mik ppl starting to come around lol)

Oh I definitely was one of those people who wanted to dump Boeser and I'm happy to be wrong. But I also feel I was 100% correct with my assessment of his bad play for the first half of last year. I didn't foresee this bounceback in Vancouver and considering last year everyone involved (player, team) wanted a change of scenery I would suggest not many others did either so I'm not going to feel too badly about it. It's also important that one of the main reasons that people were down on this player is that he seems to consistently get injured so lets at least see how the rest of the season plays out before we take victory laps as him being healthy is a very key part of the equation. Hopefully he keeps it up and he finally can hit those "pace" numbers we hear about all the time.

 

[krutovsdonut]

alot of boeser fans now i see hmm

i wouldn't say fan yet, but you can't deny he's played well lately.

 

[Gstank]

Man, Drance took a lot of heat for his "trade Kuzmenko!" take last trade deadline but seeing what Tocchet wants from his players he was 100% right to do so.

He's still a ppg player. Trading Kuz would have been a mistake and we wouldnt be off to this start without him

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He's still a ppg player. Trading Kuz would have been a mistake and we wouldnt be off to this start without him

He’s not ppg player this season..3 goals,11 assists,14 points in 19 games.

That’s well below his standard.

 

[oceanchild]

I was going to use it for a darth vader mask that I planned on constructing.

#respect

He's still a ppg player. Trading Kuz would have been a mistake and we wouldnt be off to this start without him

He’s a good player and I like him, not sure I agree with you on this. He has been the piece that didn’t come out flying and more of a passenger.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

alot of boeser fans now i see hmm

I have maintained this whole time that he would get his game back and that Garland was the one to move.

The people you are calling out are just incredibly mercurial and vacillate between 'we need to blow it up, trade Hughes and Petey' to (18 good games later) 'this is our all-in year! trade Willander!'.

They're just mercurial about everything, so calling them out on Boeser specifically is battling a symptom instead of the illness.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

One of the most important contributions of GMPA to the franchise thus far was his assessment that the team was poorly constructed and then doing something about it.

Toronto and Edmonton are poorly constructed but neither of their Hockey Ops have addressed this and their windows are closing. It's like the players that "Chance" allowed them to acquire through the draft are immovable for the chess pieces that would get them closer to a championship.

For Aquilini's Canucks, the heater Boeser is on, is very similar to Horvat's season last year.

Trading Horvat last year, when his value was at an all-time high, allowed GMPA to begin to reconstruct the team and perhaps trading Boeser this year, when his value is probably at an all-time high, would allow GMPA to complete the job.

Trading either Garland or Beauvillier, if it is even possible, won't likely provide the pieces to finish the reconstruction in this window.

If the goal is to win a Cup, moving Boeser now may bring them closer to that goal.

 

[DFAC]

One of the most important contributions of GMPA to the franchise thus far was his assessment that the team was poorly constructed and then doing something about it.

Toronto and Edmonton are poorly constructed but neither of their Hockey Ops have addressed this and their windows are closing. It's like the players that "Chance" allowed them to acquire through the draft are immovable for the chess pieces that would get them closer to a championship.

For Aquilini's Canucks, the heater Boeser is on, is very similar to Horvat's season last year.

Trading Horvat last year, when his value was at an all-time high, allowed GMPA to begin to reconstruct the team and perhaps trading Boeser this year, when his value is probably at an all-time high, would allow GMPA to complete the job.

Trading either Garland or Beauvillier, if it is even possible, won't likely provide the pieces to finish the reconstruction in this window.

If the goal is to win a Cup, moving Boeser now may bring them closer to that goal.

Disagree, Boeser is literally the only winger who can actually score on this team - trading him would be a mistake.

Not really similar to the Horvat situation last year as the decision was always moving either JT or Bo (or both). You 100% try and move guys like Beauvillier, Garland before moving Brock

The team that is trying to win now, is going to trade their leading goal scorer for futures? How does that make sense at all?

And agree on this

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Discuss amongst yourself how Horvat's return didn't help restructure and improve the current Canucks ...

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Boeser is the only one of the Boeser-Garland-Beauvillier combo that has any real trade value right now.
Sure, you 100% try to move the others first, but if it could be done (without bleeding more assets), they’d be gone.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

One of the most important contributions of GMPA to the franchise thus far was his assessment that the team was poorly constructed and then doing something about it.

Toronto and Edmonton are poorly constructed but neither of their Hockey Ops have addressed this and their windows are closing. It's like the players that "Chance" allowed them to acquire through the draft are immovable for the chess pieces that would get them closer to a championship.

For Aquilini's Canucks, the heater Boeser is on, is very similar to Horvat's season last year.

Trading Horvat last year, when his value was at an all-time high, allowed GMPA to begin to reconstruct the team and perhaps trading Boeser this year, when his value is probably at an all-time high, would allow GMPA to complete the job.

Trading either Garland or Beauvillier, if it is even possible, won't likely provide the pieces to finish the reconstruction in this window.

If the goal is to win a Cup, moving Boeser now may bring them closer to that goal.

Difference is last year we were well out of the playoff race when we decided to shop Horvat, and he was a pending UFA therefore it is easier to move.

Trading Boeser now, unless for an upgrade on D, is going to hurt the team. The team is playing well and in a playoff spot, removing their top goal-scorer will severely hurt their playoff chance.

The 2 scenarios aren't similar at all, even though their productions are similar and their trade value will likely not be higher.