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Difference is last year we were well out of the playoff race when we decided to shop Horvat, and he was a pending UFA therefore it is easier to move.

Trading Boeser now, unless for an upgrade on D, is going to hurt the team. The team is playing well and in a playoff spot, removing their top goal-scorer will severely hurt their playoff chance.

The 2 scenarios aren't similar at all, even though their productions are similar and their trade value will likely not be higher.
The thing we should hope for is Boeser hitting 40+ goals. If he hits that then he should be able to fetch us a 2nd paring #3 guy.
 
it was a guarantee that kuzmenko would fall-off this year - he was never going to shoot at the highest s% in nhl history for a second time, and it felt unlikely that he was really going to improve his shot volume while also improving his defensive play. we're lucky that boeser has picked it up, but the wing is still an issue imo - we need another high end winger to add for when boeser inevitably cools down and isn't leading the league in goals.

we started the year with kuz as the #1W, and boeser as a low-end #2W, likely better suited as a #3/4, and mikheyev as an average #3W, and beauvillier/garland as a below average / average #4/5W.

that's now become - boeser as an above average #1W, kuz as the #2W but playing like a #3/4, mikheyev, beauv and garland essentially as expected, with pdg emerging as the #4W to push others down, and great fill-in performances from joshua, lafferty, and hog. it's less pressing than the need to upgrade on d, but i think we could still use another true #2/3W option, while getting rid of an excess one like beauv or garland - and that's with boeser staying around this level *and* kuzmenko bouncing back.

unless they think guys like bains or lekk can back fill those roles as early as next year (or hog can take another few steps to become a 2/3W), i wouldn't touch either of boeser or kuz right now.
 
trading Boeser this year, when his value is probably at an all-time high, would allow GMPA to complete the job.
Minor point, but the bold part is not the case.

Rookie Boeser came in and put up a 38.5 goal pace. 73 point pace. As a 20 year old.

That was on a fairly weak team, with little offensive support, and a lower scoring era than now.

Considering most players get significantly better than they are in their rookie season, I will bet many fans were projecting him to score potentially 50, 60 goals per year. Even a reasonable GM would predict a high chance that he would score well above a 40 goal pace in future years.

And add in the fact that his shot was already elite (the best it's ever been), and for sure that was his highest value ever. Multiple 1st round pick value, easily.
 
Long-term, this roster has too many holes. On wing, D and center.

I never believe in spending assets to acquire wingers unless they are drivers like Panarin or offer two-way play like Mark Stone. You just cannot allocate insane amounts of cap on wingers, especially when you have glaring issues on D along with thin depth on C.

Right now you have over 24 million allocated to Boeser, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Garland, and Beauvillier. These guys are either overpaid or do not offer much value.
 
Hmmm....Corey Perry on waivers. Guy still has some gas left in the tank.

No risk claim.
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Long-term, this roster has too many holes. On wing, D and center.

I never believe in spending assets to acquire wingers unless they are drivers like Panarin or offer two-way play like Mark Stone. You just cannot allocate insane amounts of cap on wingers, especially when you have glaring issues on D along with thin depth on C.

Right now you have over 24 million allocated to Boeser, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Garland, and Beauvillier. These guys are either overpaid or do not offer much value.
The problem the Canucks have (as do many teams) is that they have not been smart about the cap. Spending to the cap is just wrong. Cap flexibility is extremely valuable. Benning was about as incompetent at this as anyone could be.

Basically, we can't make any trade to improve the team where it means we add salary. This really limits your choices. And all of the proposals we see on here involve us trading someone who has negative value relative to their salary, assuming that someone else wants our cast offs. Aint gonna happen.

We are doing well. The tinkering should be exactly what they have been doing. Scratching players who aren't performing, or sending people to Abby.
 
it was a guarantee that kuzmenko would fall-off this year - he was never going to shoot at the highest s% in nhl history for a second time, and it felt unlikely that he was really going to improve his shot volume while also improving his defensive play. we're lucky that boeser has picked it up, but the wing is still an issue imo - we need another high end winger to add for when boeser inevitably cools down and isn't leading the league in goals.

we started the year with kuz as the #1W, and boeser as a low-end #2W, likely better suited as a #3/4, and mikheyev as an average #3W, and beauvillier/garland as a below average / average #4/5W.

that's now become - boeser as an above average #1W, kuz as the #2W but playing like a #3/4, mikheyev, beauv and garland essentially as expected, with pdg emerging as the #4W to push others down, and great fill-in performances from joshua, lafferty, and hog. it's less pressing than the need to upgrade on d, but i think we could still use another true #2/3W option, while getting rid of an excess one like beauv or garland - and that's with boeser staying around this level *and* kuzmenko bouncing back.

unless they think guys like bains or lekk can back fill those roles as early as next year (or hog can take another few steps to become a 2/3W), i wouldn't touch either of boeser or kuz right now.
i mean pettersson has been awful and he needs to be helping feed pucks to kuz. and kuz hasn't gotten the puck as frequently on the pp as he did last season (understandably with how effective JT/hughes have been)

like kuz is still on pace for 60 points this season and he's looked bad most of it.

i'm not ready to be all out on kuzmenko or dunk against him. yes the shooting percentage was always going to drop. but i would imagine if pettersson gets going sometime soon and kuz settles a bit more within what tocchet wants, his production will jump
 
i mean pettersson has been awful and he needs to be helping feed pucks to kuz. and kuz hasn't gotten the puck as frequently on the pp as he did last season (understandably with how effective JT/hughes have been)

like kuz is still on pace for 60 points this season and he's looked bad most of it.

i'm not ready to be all out on kuzmenko or dunk against him. yes the shooting percentage was always going to drop. but i would imagine if pettersson gets going sometime soon and kuz settles a bit more within what tocchet wants, his production will jump

agreed. moreso was responding to any idea of trading either of them while value is "high" - i don't think we can afford to trade either of boeser or kuz even if (and that's a big if) they bring back a second pairing defenseman. would need to immediately turn around and trade a prospect to plug in that winger hole, which makes little sense when the two guys in question are seen as loved in the room.
 
i mean pettersson has been awful and he needs to be helping feed pucks to kuz. and kuz hasn't gotten the puck as frequently on the pp as he did last season (understandably with how effective JT/hughes have been)

like kuz is still on pace for 60 points this season and he's looked bad most of it.

i'm not ready to be all out on kuzmenko or dunk against him. yes the shooting percentage was always going to drop. but i would imagine if pettersson gets going sometime soon and kuz settles a bit more within what tocchet wants, his production will jump

So you think this is gonna happen? I have doubts.
 
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