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iceburg said:
So it's probably a waiver thing or the strange attraction to McWard that showed in the preseason.
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It's the weird McWard thing they have, which isn't a huge thing in the bigger picture but is probably the single weirdest/most Benningest thing this group has done.

It's not just Woo that's outplaying McWard - Filip Johansson is playing bigger minutes and doing better down there right now as a RD option, too. And I'm not big fan of Johansson.
 
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MS said:
Yes, everybody thinks that Vancouver is closer than Columbus. How is this even a discussion?
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Buffalo too?
Columbus is a train wreck the last 18 months but they have a bushel basket of young players and prospects under, 11 players on the team younger than all the Canucks except two and 3 more 1rst round picks in the minors. All players with huge upside for improvement. With a center like Pettersson who they could pay with available cap space they would be 30+points better.
Buffalo is almost there now and they have injuries to key players
 
theguardianII said:
My hope is they do something drastic, Rutherford could alter this team dramatically. Trading away picks, hopefully not 1rst's unless the team is in the top ten. Then trading away a player that won't help for 3 years (usual time for late picks). The other reason is to keep Miller's eventual decline covered.
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theguardianII said:
One thing not mentioned is the Offer Sheet. That could cripple the Canucks instantly and turn the corner on a rebuild. Even the threat of an offer sheet.
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I think you're getting so worked up over hypotheticals it's causing you to talk in circles.

The Canucks need to do something BOLD (but not too bold, like trade off a 1st rounder...)

And then this stuff about the offer sheets.

I share your jadedness on EP potentially skipping town, for what it's worth, but I think you're not doing a great job at articulating your point.

Offer sheets are probably the thing I'd be least worried about, to be honest. If a team gets EP to jump on a long term contract it should be a no brainer for the Canucks (unless it's insanely priced.)

And if EP wants out...why would he sign one knowing that the Canucks would/could match?

These only really work if a team is super cap-f***ed (I'd say we're pretty or moderately cap-f***ed) or there are extenuating circumstances going on (a la Lowe and Burke's Barn Fight That Never Was.)

One thing for more CBA-savvy folks: is arbitration a potential thing that can happen with EP?
 
theguardianII said:
Buffalo too?
Columbus is a train wreck the last 18 months but they have a bushel basket of young players and prospects under, 11 players on the team younger than all the Canucks except two and 3 more 1rst round picks in the minors. All players with huge upside for improvement. With a center like Pettersson who they could pay with available cap space they would be 30+points better.
Buffalo is almost there now and they have injuries to key players
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We're literally winning games and look 1 or 2 moves away from being a contender next year if management gets it right. Should make the playoffs this year.

Columbus is absolute shit. A dumpster fire. They're years away from even making the playoffs.

Buffalo are closer than Columbus but they still have major issues and also there is no way in hell Pettersson signs in that shitty market.
 
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AwesomeInTheory said:
One thing for more CBA-savvy folks: is arbitration a potential thing that can happen with EP?
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yes but arbitration is a disaster for the canucks in the case of either pettersson or hronek. awards are limited to a single year when the player has only a single year of team control left so it's a worse version of the player accepting their qualifying offer
 
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theguardianII said:
Buffalo too?
Columbus is a train wreck the last 18 months but they have a bushel basket of young players and prospects under, 11 players on the team younger than all the Canucks except two and 3 more 1rst round picks in the minors. All players with huge upside for improvement. With a center like Pettersson who they could pay with available cap space they would be 30+points better.
Buffalo is almost there now and they have injuries to key players
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Those two teams are still a joke, they have had to reset how many times? They can't get coaches right, they can't get systems right. Maybe the ideal if Elias wants shitty quiet markets
 
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credulous said:
yes but arbitration is a disaster for the canucks in the case of either pettersson or hronek. awards are limited to a single year when the player has only a single year of team control left so it's a worse version of the player accepting their qualifying offer
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking of this as a solution for the team, but rather an option for EP/his agent to exercise.

Which, if he does, would be pretty telling on where his head is at, IMO, and would be something to actually be concerned about rather than f***ing offer sheets, lmao.
 
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rypper said:
Uh yeah. Columbus is a disaster. Buffalo can't afford him and fill out there roster while trying to actually improve.
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Buffalo can easily afford him at 15 million a season, they would have over 25 million in cap space and 4 more entry level contracts or second contracts to sign. Getting EP would be an improvement. They did finish tied to the 2nd WC spot last year in points.
AwesomeInTheory said:
Offer sheets are probably the thing I'd be least worried about, to be honest. If a team gets EP to jump on a long term contract it should be a no brainer for the Canucks (unless it's insanely priced.)

And if EP wants out...why would he sign one knowing that the Canucks would/could match?
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Insanely priced isn't that much, the longer contract the easier it is for the Canucks to match, they will just suck even more and take longer to recover. It would not too much but would have to be more than 12 million.

Why would he sign? to be moved before his career is like Horvat's. And It would be a clear indication he wants out without him voicing it.
 


-Canucks are working the phones and looking for defenceman
-they have been aggressive in the past month
-Zadarov and Tanev are still on their radar
-no one else is making trades
-with Hall out for the season, keep an eye on that; perfect place to move a winger for a defenceman if the Canucks like any of the Blackhawk's defencemen
-no more team more desperate than the Oilers to make a trade but haven't been able to
-NHL trade market is quiet
-Canucks are 100% open to trading Garland or Beauvillier
-need to create cap space to sign Ethan Bear
-maybe a money-in-money-out deal
-teams call on Hoglander all the time
-talks continue between Pettersson and the Canucks
-talked to scouts about Willander comparables and heard that the McAvoy comparison is fair; very coachable, really good student, Willander likes a challenge and wanted to get used to the smaller North American ice; with Hutson probably signing with Montreal it will open up even more opportunity next season; parents and sister visiting this week
-way too early to discuss whether Willander goes professional at the end of the season
-doesn't know if Bear is only going to be a one-year deal
-might go out and get Tanev on July 1st if they don't get him at the deadline; expectation for Tanev as a free agent is a three year contract as a free agent
-originally had talked about a longer-term contract with Cole
 
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Honestly dunno about Tanev for 3 years. I know he's been durable (generally speaking), would love to see him back on the team, but I could see that potentially being an anchor, specifically due to his style of play and age.

But, it would take him to 36, which is about the time you woodshed defensemen.

Also kinda dubious about all of this information pouring out now, too, and am skeptical on its veracity. Guessing a lot of this is speculation and educated guesses. Which is...fine.
 
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AwesomeInTheory said:
Honestly dunno about Tanev for 3 years. I know he's been durable (generally speaking), would love to see him back on the team, but I could see that potentially being an anchor, specifically due to his style of play and age.

But, it would take him to 36, which is about the time you woodshed defensemen.

Also kinda dubious about all of this information pouring out now, too, and am skeptical on its veracity. Guessing a lot of this is speculation and educated guesses. Which is...fine.
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I love Tanev and I'd be delighted to have him back as a rental this year or on a 1-year Cole-type deal next year but there's no way you give him term.

If you're giving out term, guys like Demelo and Carrier are way younger and make far more sense.
 
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theguardianII said:
Buffalo can easily afford him at 15 million a season, they would have over 25 million in cap space and 4 more entry level contracts or second contracts to sign. Getting EP would be an improvement. They did finish tied to the 2nd WC spot last year in points.
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10 million to sign at least 5-6 players and a goalie. Not everyone is going to be making league min if you really want to improve.
 
Hansen said:
Its foolish because what they need right now is a stop gap and this isnt going to benefit McWards development. If they see Woo as disposable then plug him and let him go and give McWard bigger minutes in Abby
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You see this sort of stuff every time there's a management change.

Benning was the worst ever, but you always see the new guys who the new group is emotionally invested in prioritizing get the breaks.

And we're seeing that now. They took a very level approach to the Benning prospects and guys like Jurmo/Lockhart/Costmar who Benning 100% would have signed have been correctly ditched. But instead we're seeing the dumb Ty Young contract and McWard getting some pretty shocking favouritism.

iceburg said:
Yeah but why? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense gvien the style Woo plays and the reports that he is above McWard on the Abbotsford roster. I can't believe it's just because Woo was picked by Benning and McWard by current management. Can it?
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It can.
 
iceburg said:
Yeah but why? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense gvien the style Woo plays and the reports that he is above McWard on the Abbotsford roster. I can't believe it's just because Woo was picked by Benning and McWard by current management. Can it?
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Then what’s the reason to call-up McWard over Woo who has definitely earned an NHL shot with his play the past two years? Wouldn’t be the first management group that prioritized their pickups.
 
I’ve been rooting since last year for Woo to get a chance and I’m extremely disappointed he hasn’t even gotten so much as an extra pre season game after that shitshow Calgary game. What has McWard done? Woo has been a soldier down there, from being misused by that dumbass Trent Cull and looking like a bust, to completely revamping his game and looking like a serviceable call up option at this point in time.

I’ve always been extremely high on Woo since his junior days. He’s done 4 years and counting down in the minors. Give him a f***ing chance.
 
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LemonSauceD said:
I’ve been rooting since last year for Woo to get a chance and I’m extremely disappointed he hasn’t even gotten so much as an extra pre season game after that shitshow Calgary game. What has McWard done? Woo has been a soldier down there, from being misused by that dumbass Trent Cull and looking like a bust, to completely revamping his game and looking like a serviceable call up option at this point in time.

I’ve always been extremely high on Woo since his junior days. He’s done 4 years and counting down in the minors. Give him a f***ing chance.
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Woo did look terrible in that Calgary preseason game. Of course he wasn't the only one that looked terrible, but he certainly looked terrible.
 
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