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[credulous]

Chris Johnston saying that Pettersson wants to wait on an extension. Throws out the possibility of him accepting his qualifying offer. Personally, I don't think that's realistic.

Also during the segment is that the Flyers are open for business and looking to find a trade partner. Mentions Nick Seeler and Sean Walker specifically.

i don't think pettersson will actually accept his qualifying offer but he has to act like he will for the sake of negotiations. that would both give him a path to ufa as soon as 2025 and also tank his trade value. it's the only real leverage he has

 

[oceanchild]

i don't think pettersson will actually accept his qualifying offer but he has to act like he will for the sake of negotiations. that would both give him a path to ufa as soon as 2025 and also tank his trade value. it's the only real leverage he has

He has plenty of leverage, he is a too 5 Center or at least can be when he is on, that may win a Selke. That’s a rare breed and one any franchise needs to lock up. He doesn’t need to add leverage IMO. I think it’s probable that the media needs you to click the stories and it’s a much more interesting storylines if anything, the guy seems defiant and would probably accept out of spite if we can’t get a deal done, so he could leave.

 

[credulous]

He has plenty of leverage, he is a too 5 Center or at least can be when he is on, that may win a Selke. That’s a rare breed and one any franchise needs to lock up. He doesn’t need to add leverage IMO. I think it’s probable that the media needs you to click the stories and it’s a much more interesting storylines if anything, the guy seems defiant and would probably accept out of spite if we can’t get a deal done, so he could leave.

if you think the qualifying offer option doesn't up pettersson's leverage significantly i dunno what to tell you

 

[GranvilleIsland]

if you think the qualifying offer option doesn't up pettersson's leverage significantly i dunno what to tell you

The only risk is if the player has a down year on a one year contract. Pettersson can probably ask for 8 years at 12m per right now. But if he has a down year that number could drop by 3m a season on the open market. Obviously he's betting on himself getting another 100 point season and cashing in this off-season, can't see him taking the qualifying offer if he has another big season. Unless for some strange reason Vancouver decides to lowball him. I'm sure they'll use it as leverage, odds of the player going that route are slim. Unless the player is truly unhappy here but even considering that, money usually trumps all.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Should we get Beauvillier back in the top6 i) to re-energize that group: ii) to showcase him for trade?

 

[Szechwan]

If he's going to accept his QO the team will trade him, simple as that. This management team isn't perfect but they understand asset management and they're not gonna let him walk for nothing.

 

[oceanchild]

if you think the qualifying offer option doesn't up pettersson's leverage significantly i dunno what to tell you

You think he doesn’t have all the leverage that he needs? They can’t say no, they can only try and reason with him and hope he has a holistic view. Or, if you think he just has the wrong attitude, trade him at this years deadline.

If he's going to accept his QO the team will trade him, simple as that. This management team isn't perfect but they understand asset management and they're not gonna let him walk for nothing.

It’s a no brainer, the second he threatens it or even implies it, you call it a day and you start making call.

The only risk is if the player has a down year on a one year contract. Pettersson can probably ask for 8 years at 12m per right now. But if he has a down year that number could drop by 3m a season on the open market. Obviously he's betting on himself getting another 100 point season and cashing in this off-season, can't see him taking the qualifying offer if he has another big season. Unless for some strange reason Vancouver decides to lowball him. I'm sure they'll use it as leverage, odds of the player going that route are slim. Unless the player is truly unhappy here but even considering that, money usually trumps all.

Even if he has a down year he is getting $10m+, it’s a supply/demand issue and he has a ton of talent.

 

[credulous]

i don't really understand why you think there's some sort of cap on how much leverage you can have. if there was and pettersson was at it he'd already have whatever contract he wants at whatever dollar value he wants

the qualifying offer matters for two reasons

one, it puts the canucks on the clock. if they don't get him signed by the time comes to make the qualifying offer pettersson can opt to sign a one year deal that leaves him a ufa at expiry. that's not a great outcome for the canucks because it hurts his trade value and it likely means his next contract is even more expensive even if the canucks can resign him

two, it gives pettersson the option of playing (at a likely reduced rate) and getting paid instead of sitting at home unsigned if the canucks aren't willing to meet his demands. the leverage nhl teams have with rfa's is that the player can only play for the team that holds their rights even if they don't have a contract. you rarely see players hold out because the financial hit is huge and the likelihood of making it up gets slimmer and slimmer the more time they miss. pettersson is likely better of playing a year at his qualifying offer than he is holding out for two months

 

[oceanchild]

i don't really understand why you think there's some sort of cap on how much leverage you can have. if there was and pettersson was at it he'd already have whatever contract he wants at whatever dollar value he wants

the qualifying offer matters for two reasons

one, it puts the canucks on the clock. if they don't get him signed by the time comes to make the qualifying offer pettersson can opt to sign a one year deal that leaves him a ufa at expiry. that's not a great outcome for the canucks because it hurts his trade value and it likely means his next contract is even more expensive even if the canucks can resign him

two, it gives pettersson the option of playing (at a likely reduced rate) and getting paid instead of sitting at home unsigned if the canucks aren't willing to meet his demands. the leverage nhl teams have with rfa's is that the player can only play for the team that holds their rights even if they don't have a contract. you rarely see players hold out because the financial hit is huge and the likelihood of making it up gets slimmer and slimmer the more time they miss. pettersson is likely better of playing a year at his qualifying offer than he is holding out for two months

If you’re standing over someone that is tied to a chair , and you have a loaded gun pointed at their head. Do you really then need to pull out a grenade and waive it in front of their face, or do you think the gun would have made them understand the predicament.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

...Get your trade proposals and Post-Pettersson Convos revved up and ready to go...

 

[theguardianII]

You think he doesn’t have all the leverage that he needs? They can’t say no, they can only try and reason with him and hope he has a holistic view. Or, if you think he just has the wrong attitude, trade him at this years deadline.


It’s a no brainer, the second he threatens it or even implies it, you call it a day and you start making call.


Even if he has a down year he is getting $10m+, it’s a supply/demand issue and he has a ton of talent.

The team has to hope Petey signs something before the end of the season.

If he is waiting until summer and then signs, leverage moves to other teams in any trades.

The perfect contract if there is any doubt from Pettersson's agent, IMO, is a short bridge deal without a clause, front loaded so the last year is much less and 3 years at 14 million average. This would be a "show me" contract for Petey. At that most of his prime years might be used up by then.

The team has to have some major concern because the numerous times EP has stated his desire not only playing the playoffs but to play on a winning team.

He is here next year for sure, if arbitration I think there is a 2 year option. That gives the team 18 months to become a contender and not a pretender. Right now they are a pretender until they aren't.

From EP's point of view he was drafted in 2017 and has been in the Canuck system for 8 years.

Speculation on the amount of his next contract could be wildly wrong. He might sign a one year deal for the QO or 2 years at 9 mil to give the team a last chance to right the ship and/or start making not just a dent but knocking down the contender door.

So far as I can find he has no girlfriend and is not married so he has freedom of moving without added family concerns.

Times are a changing, RFA's are getting moved to their choices or playing out the status and still getting massive paydays.

Too many fans think they own the player, if they pay them enough some of those players are willing to compromise their personal goals in favour of money. EP has made over 14 million already, he can bet on himself on the credit he earned already, his stats.

My OPINION based on his past comments and his agent, he will wait to see what the team does during the summer or sign a short term contract early. I just don't see how the Canucks are going to overhaul Edmonton, Vegas, Kings, Colorado, even Dallas, Boston, TO, NJD, Panthers.

The team still doesn't have proven NHL prospects on the team. Hope does not win games, it sells tickets and the kids in the system are not on the team or helping the team win.

For a decade the "prospects" were going to lead to the rainbow, how has that worked out? The team has three players 25 and under on the team, Pettersson - 25, Hughes - 24 and Hoglander - 22, that's it. Not much of a future ON the team right now AND a very compromised cap situation. So counting on the prospect pool may not show up in time to show EP enough to stay.

Can the team make enough changes to alter this one year window they are in but it would take very bold trades and at the expense of trading the future for "now" players. This is the path the team has been trying under Benning, this group might be smarter but Allvin has already stated HIS goal and view of the team's future and the fanbase. A playoff series That's it, a playoff. Then they will sell the "anything can happen" Sure, once every 25 years. Last year will be brought up, Florida barely making it in and then getting annihilated by Vegas. Florida was the president winner the year before so their lowly entry is more due to a poor regular season rather than a perineal outlier making in.

My hope is they do something drastic, Rutherford could alter this team dramatically. Trading away picks, hopefully not 1rst's unless the team is in the top ten. Then trading away a player that won't help for 3 years (usual time for late picks). The other reason is to keep Miller's eventual decline covered.

 

[Hodgy]

Petersson has 99% of the leverage, and we’ve already seen he’s very confident and not worried about holding off on an extension and ultimately getting less. If that was a real worry for him, then he’d have signed this summer. Of course things can change.

The 1% leverage the Canucks have is that if Pettersson signs an extension this year opposed to accepting his QO and signing next year then he’s going to make more money next year and he will also make more money on his next contract since he will be a year younger.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The team has to hope Petey signs something before the end of the season.

If he is waiting until summer and then signs, leverage moves to other teams in any trades.

The perfect contract if there is any doubt from Pettersson's agent, IMO, is a short bridge deal without a clause, front loaded so the last year is much less and 3 years at 14 million average. This would be a "show me" contract for Petey. At that most of his prime years might be used up by then.

The team has to have some major concern because the numerous times EP has stated his desire not only playing the playoffs but to play on a winning team.

He is here next year for sure, if arbitration I think there is a 2 year option. That gives the team 18 months to become a contender and not a pretender. Right now they are a pretender until they aren't.

From EP's point of view he was drafted in 2017 and has been in the Canuck system for 8 years.

Speculation on the amount of his next contract could be wildly wrong. He might sign a one year deal for the QO or 2 years at 9 mil to give the team a last chance to right the ship and/or start making not just a dent but knocking down the contender door.

So far as I can find he has no girlfriend and is not married so he has freedom of moving without added family concerns.

Times are a changing, RFA's are getting moved to their choices or playing out the status and still getting massive paydays.

Too many fans think they own the player, if they pay them enough some of those players are willing to compromise their personal goals in favour of money. EP has made over 14 million already, he can bet on himself on the credit he earned already, his stats.

My OPINION based on his past comments and his agent, he will wait to see what the team does during the summer or sign a short term contract early. I just don't see how the Canucks are going to overhaul Edmonton, Vegas, Kings, Colorado, even Dallas, Boston, TO, NJD, Panthers.

The team still doesn't have proven NHL prospects on the team. Hope does not win games, it sells tickets and the kids in the system are not on the team or helping the team win.

For a decade the "prospects" were going to lead to the rainbow, how has that worked out? The team has three players 25 and under on the team, Pettersson - 25, Hughes - 24 and Hoglander - 22, that's it. Not much of a future ON the team right now AND a very compromised cap situation. So counting on the prospect pool may not show up in time to show EP enough to stay.

Can the team make enough changes to alter this one year window they are in but it would take very bold trades and at the expense of trading the future for "now" players. This is the path the team has been trying under Benning, this group might be smarter but Allvin has already stated HIS goal and view of the team's future and the fanbase. A playoff series That's it, a playoff. Then they will sell the "anything can happen" Sure, once every 25 years. Last year will be brought up, Florida barely making it in and then getting annihilated by Vegas. Florida was the president winner the year before so their lowly entry is more due to a poor regular season rather than a perineal outlier making in.

My hope is they do something drastic, Rutherford could alter this team dramatically. Trading away picks, hopefully not 1rst's unless the team is in the top ten. Then trading away a player that won't help for 3 years (usual time for late picks). The other reason is to keep Miller's eventual decline covered.

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t re-sign here tbh.
Seems happy and the team has vastly improved. Vancouver is a great city if you’re wealthy and the Swedes seem to love it. We always worry about this but how many star players have opted to leave Vancouver over the years? Not many.

 

[oceanchild]

The team has to hope Petey signs something before the end of the season.

If he is waiting until summer and then signs, leverage moves to other teams in any trades.

The perfect contract if there is any doubt from Pettersson's agent, IMO, is a short bridge deal without a clause, front loaded so the last year is much less and 3 years at 14 million average. This would be a "show me" contract for Petey. At that most of his prime years might be used up by then.

The team has to have some major concern because the numerous times EP has stated his desire not only playing the playoffs but to play on a winning team.

He is here next year for sure, if arbitration I think there is a 2 year option. That gives the team 18 months to become a contender and not a pretender. Right now they are a pretender until they aren't.

From EP's point of view he was drafted in 2017 and has been in the Canuck system for 8 years.

Speculation on the amount of his next contract could be wildly wrong. He might sign a one year deal for the QO or 2 years at 9 mil to give the team a last chance to right the ship and/or start making not just a dent but knocking down the contender door.

So far as I can find he has no girlfriend and is not married so he has freedom of moving without added family concerns.

Times are a changing, RFA's are getting moved to their choices or playing out the status and still getting massive paydays.

Too many fans think they own the player, if they pay them enough some of those players are willing to compromise their personal goals in favour of money. EP has made over 14 million already, he can bet on himself on the credit he earned already, his stats.

My OPINION based on his past comments and his agent, he will wait to see what the team does during the summer or sign a short term contract early. I just don't see how the Canucks are going to overhaul Edmonton, Vegas, Kings, Colorado, even Dallas, Boston, TO, NJD, Panthers.

The team still doesn't have proven NHL prospects on the team. Hope does not win games, it sells tickets and the kids in the system are not on the team or helping the team win.

For a decade the "prospects" were going to lead to the rainbow, how has that worked out? The team has three players 25 and under on the team, Pettersson - 25, Hughes - 24 and Hoglander - 22, that's it. Not much of a future ON the team right now AND a very compromised cap situation. So counting on the prospect pool may not show up in time to show EP enough to stay.

Can the team make enough changes to alter this one year window they are in but it would take very bold trades and at the expense of trading the future for "now" players. This is the path the team has been trying under Benning, this group might be smarter but Allvin has already stated HIS goal and view of the team's future and the fanbase. A playoff series That's it, a playoff. Then they will sell the "anything can happen" Sure, once every 25 years. Last year will be brought up, Florida barely making it in and then getting annihilated by Vegas. Florida was the president winner the year before so their lowly entry is more due to a poor regular season rather than a perineal outlier making in.

My hope is they do something drastic, Rutherford could alter this team dramatically. Trading away picks, hopefully not 1rst's unless the team is in the top ten. Then trading away a player that won't help for 3 years (usual time for late picks). The other reason is to keep Miller's eventual decline covered.

I mean, doing nothing and waiting for a clearer picture of cap space and drafting a player in the first round would currently be considered drastic in these parts. I just don’t want to lose Willander in all this.

 

[rypper]

Pettersson is 100% re-signing.

 

[theguardianII]

Pettersson is 100% re-signing.

He HAS TOO. He is still a RFA. But if he does the Dubois thing he will lower the return.

I’d be shocked if he doesn’t re-sign here tbh.
Seems happy and the team has vastly improved. Vancouver is a great city if you’re wealthy and the Swedes seem to love it. We always worry about this but how many star players have opted to leave Vancouver over the years? Not many.

He seems happy? How can you tell?
He went back to Sweden last summer didn't he?
It was only 4 months ago he said he would wait and see and he was in no hurry. He has been quiet a mouse and the media ARE NOT ASKING. Canucks do not want him repeating those words and they still have some control on the media.

It is the new NHL, it has taken a couple of decades for the FA rules to be used. Mostly as the "old boys network" passes on but still not as much movement as there should be.

One thing not mentioned is the Offer Sheet. That could cripple the Canucks instantly and turn the corner on a rebuild. Even the threat of an offer sheet.

 

[andora]

One thing not mentioned is the Offer Sheet. That could cripple the Canucks instantly and turn the corner on a rebuild. Even the threat of an offer sheet.

I dont think that makes sense

 

[theguardianII]

I dont think that makes sense

If a team threatens/tells the Canucks they are going to offer 15+ million the Canucks have to match to keep him. That could be a 2 year contract. The Canucks could not match that so they might be forced into making a trade instead.
The cost would be four 1rst round picks. 24 teams have the available picks, that is 24 teams that could do an offer sheet including some that the picks would be in the mid 20's and fairly useless for immediate replacement of him.

It would be a smart move for a team for a player of his calibre. Petey would be around for 7 years more than enough time to refill the prospect pool.

But there is the "Unwritten Rule". Teams don't poach players.

The last time this happened was Burke and Boston. Burke told them they were going to offer sheet Kessel so Boston worked out a trade instead and they got Sequin. But Burke forced the trade with the threat of the offer sheet.

The Canucks could not match a 2 year offer sheet without destroying the team. This type offer, 2 yrs at maximum allowed would be a real smart and cut throat move. Even if the Canucks matched the very acceptance of the offer sheet would ruin any trade value when the contract ends.

 

[andora]

If a team threatens/tells the Canucks they are going to offer 15+ million the Canucks have to match to keep him. That could be a 2 year contract. The Canucks could not match that so they might be forced into making a trade instead.
The cost would be four 1rst round picks. 24 teams have the available picks, that is 24 teams that could do an offer sheet including some that the picks would be in the mid 20's and fairly useless for immediate replacement of him.

It would be a smart move for a team for a player of his calibre. Petey would be around for 7 years more than enough time to refill the prospect pool.

But there is the "Unwritten Rule". Teams don't poach players.

The last time this happened was Burke and Boston. Burke told them they were going to offer sheet Kessel so Boston worked out a trade instead and they got Sequin. But Burke forced the trade with the threat of the offer sheet.

The Canucks could not match a 2 year offer sheet without destroying the team. This type offer, 2 yrs at maximum allowed would be a real smart and cut throat move. Even if the Canucks matched the very acceptance of the offer sheet would ruin any trade value when the contract ends.

Thank you for explaining it however it still doesn't make sense. How reasonable is it to entertain the idea of a 15 million offer? And then is it more or less reasonable to throw the term of two years out there?

 

[LemonSauceD]

It is the new NHL, it has taken a couple of decades for the FA rules to be used. Mostly as the "old boys network" passes on but still not as much movement as there should be.
One thing not mentioned is the Offer Sheet. That could cripple the Canucks instantly and turn the corner on a rebuild. Even the threat of an offer sheet.

???

 

[MS]

LOL at offer sheet fearmongering. Maybe Godzilla will come of the ocean and knock down the arena, too.

 

[rypper]

Without even really looking, no team that has the required 1st round picks and the available cap space to sign the offer sheet, is a team that would be an attractive landing spot for Pettersson. Let's go waste 2 years in Arizona wooooo.


You're over thinking it.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

LOL at offer sheet fearmongering. Maybe Godzilla will come off the ocean and knock down the arena, too.

Cue Matthew Broderick with an assist from P Diddy.

 

[Vector]

For the people that wanted to sign Mike Reilly in the off-season, he's on waivers! Word of warning, Panthers fans have described him as "terrible". He was also terrible before this season.

 

[MS]

For the people that wanted to sign Mike Reilly in the off-season, he's on waivers! Word of warning, Panthers fans have described him as "terrible". He was also terrible before this season.

Reilly has never done much for me on the eye test but the analytics crowd have loved his possession metrics for years. Weirdly though he also always seems to be driving a terrible PDO so there's some odd stuff happening there.