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[theguardianII]

I think we may look back at the Zadorov trade as the Canucks realizing how thin they were on defense without Soucy and not wanting to risk derailing their good-times vibes because of a depleted roster. He was never their targeted upgrade. He was just a stopgap.

They tried for Zadorov their first year here but the cap was so screwed up they couldn't make the deal, he was their first choice 2 years ago.

Mikheyov is a cap dump and nothing more.

Yep, Tocchet has the media slide train going full tilt.
Got rid of one Ruskie, Mikheyev is now in the doghouse for #2 and Tocchet is helping TO to get Zadorov, a player they as well as most media "experts" have identified as being a crucial part to a TO playoff run. They, TO, are still after Zadorov AND Tanev.

A question for some posters.
Would you want players that want to be here, choose to be here?
OR
Do you want players that only want to be here when the going is good but still as for trades?


Looking back a Rutherford's history with Carolina and their cup run.
It looks very similar to what is happening in Vancouver now.
Trading some future for really good FAs that will walk at the end of the season. But will get a cup.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

There's not much doubt about it.....the rest of the NHL was gob-smacked by the Canucks audacious move to acquire Lindholm, who was the biggest trade chip on the market. It was almost given that he was going to team in the East like Boston, the Rangers or Philly.

The rest of the league was reportedly shocked by what the Canucks gave up. But when you really break it down, they really didn't surrender all that much. Two 'B' level prospects; a pick probably late in the first round and a conditional fourth rounder; and Kuzmenko who was on his last legs with Tocchet.

And miraculously, after the smoke cleared, they actually came out of it more cap room than they had going in. So they're back in the game as the TDL approaches.

You've got to love this Canucks tandem of Rutherford and Allvin. They're 'riverboat gamblers' but it's been a long time since a Canuck front office had the rest of the league in this kind of tizzy.

I’d classify Jurmo as a D level prospect. But otherwise agree.

 

[PavelBure10]

There's not much doubt about it.....the rest of the NHL was gob-smacked by the Canucks audacious move to acquire Lindholm, who was the biggest trade chip on the market. It was almost given that he was going to team in the East like Boston, the Rangers or Philly.

The rest of the league was reportedly shocked by what the Canucks gave up. But when you really break it down, they really didn't surrender all that much. Two 'B' level prospects; a pick probably late in the first round and a conditional fourth rounder; and Kuzmenko who was on his last legs with Tocchet.

And miraculously, after the smoke cleared, they actually came out of it more cap room than they had going in. So they're back in the game as the TDL approaches.

You've got to love this Canucks tandem of Rutherford and Allvin. They're 'riverboat gamblers' but it's been a long time since a Canuck front office had the rest of the league in this kind of tizzy.

After seeing what Winnipeg gave up to get overrated Monahan. I now consider the Lindholm trade a win.

Agreed. An absolute amazing job done by Allvin a Co, it makes me excited in anticipation what the next trade will look like to bring in depth pieces.

I love this team.

 

[rypper]

MIkheyev is not in the doghouse. Tocchet essentially split the blame of his play on his knee recovery and Kuzmenko.

Take off the tin foil hat, let your head breath once in a while.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

 

[Nucker101]

Yep, Tocchet has the media slide train going full tilt.
Got rid of one Ruskie, Mikheyev is now in the doghouse for #2 and Tocchet is helping TO to get Zadorov, a player they as well as most media "experts" have identified as being a crucial part to a TO playoff run. They, TO, are still after Zadorov AND Tanev.

Please expand on this, what exactly are you implying?

 

[rypper]

Please expand on this, what exactly are you implying?

 

[ziploc]

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[andora]

Unless the intent is to out tocchet as a russian bigot this angle is f***en stupid

 

[nucks88]

Getting waaaaaaaaaay ahead of myself but I would be absolutely stoked to see a Vancouver vs Winnipeg WCF.

So would Uncle Gary lol…..

 

[LemonSauceD]

They tried for Zadorov their first year here but the cap was so screwed up they couldn't make the deal, he was their first choice 2 years ago.

Yep, Tocchet has the media slide train going full tilt.
Got rid of one Ruskie, Mikheyev is now in the doghouse for #2 and Tocchet is helping TO to get Zadorov, a player they as well as most media "experts" have identified as being a crucial part to a TO playoff run. They, TO, are still after Zadorov AND Tanev.

A question for some posters.
Would you want players that want to be here, choose to be here?
OR
Do you want players that only want to be here when the going is good but still as for trades?


Looking back a Rutherford's history with Carolina and their cup run.
It looks very similar to what is happening in Vancouver now.
Trading some future for really good FAs that will walk at the end of the season. But will get a cup.

LOL

 

[theguardianII]

Please expand on this, what exactly are you implying?

I know that most posters only see what is 2 feet in front of them and rarely do the work needed for a "depth" look,
Like how many posters are aware of the number of high profile players that wanted trades while Tocchet was the coach? Many of these were in the public domain and well known. OEL was such a problem he was dealt under the guise of the cap need. The cap space achieved did little to help the team. Sure everyone says Hronek, but he was just replacing Horvat's cap hit.

Back to what I am implying; LAST season before Tocchet and shortly after him but still last season.
Everyone was thrilled with Kuzmenko, the cheaper replacement for Boeser who wanted out and asked twice, even had his agent looking around for him to move.

The Pettersson, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev line were going to be great once Mik got over his knee operation. Kuz and Petey had a great relationship on the ice and were almost like the Sedins in down low passing. Even Tocchet commented on how well they played but they did need a down low checker who was expected to be Mikheyev.

Now along comes the first of the year. Tocchet instructs the players to work hard but Kuz puts videos of his work outs in the Caribbean looking like he is having a gas (fun).

From Day one Tocchet starts in on lack of physical readiness BUT Kuzmenko is performing ALL the testing superior to his first year and not last of all the players. He passed the physicals easily. I think it was even mentioned how good and was suggested that maybe the rest of the players take up his routine in the Caribbean.

But "Tocchet says" he is not in the best shape, or the shape "he wants". Then Tocchet mentions Mikheyev and how much better he will be once his knee comes around more. Now that doesn't sound bad overall but he just said Mikheyev is too slow.

Podkolzin was demoted immediately so that only left two and one was going to be run out.

You know that I was a little disappointed in Canuck fans that they would attack a 2nd year player that badly undermining his confidence like Tocchet did and got a trophy for.

Why on earth is a more expensive player that can't do as much and having asked to be traded twice being supported but a sophomore player is buried, stomped on and have everything possible done to erode his confidence. A second year player. Do fans have any idea what that says to some FA players? Here is a top prospect that can sign with ANY team in the league, courted by many teams and his CHOICE was Vancouver, his choice out of 32 teams. And then has to waive his contract to get out from under this type of "old school" coaching and attitude.

AND there are two players that don't want to be here so badly that even under contract they want out and it is publicly known.

Based on just the obvious rumours. ONLY THE CANUCK RUSSIANS, ALL OF THEM, ARE IN TRADE RUMOURS OR TALK OF DOGHOUSES only Canuck Russians and all of them, No others. Even one's wanting trades are not mentioned, everything is filtered and the sponsor's media is doing everything they can to re-write history about these players wanting away from Vancouver and be traded.

Unless the intent is to out tocchet as a russian bigot this angle is f***en stupid

As I pointed out the only Canucks rumours are any Russian on the team, all of them, even Podkolzin.

Pods will likely be included in a Silverberg/Henrique trade.

LOL

Why do you think Zad signed only a one year contract?

 

[andora]

I know that most posters only seem what is 2 feet in front of them and rarely do the work needed for a "depth" look,
Like how many posters are aware of the number of high profile players that wanted trades while Tocchet was the coach? Many of these were in the public domain and well known. OEL was such a problem he was dealt under the guise of the cap need. The cap space achieved did little to help the team. Sure everyone says Hronek, but he was just replacing Horvat's cap hit.

Back to what I a implying; LAST season before Tocchet and shortly after him bt still last season.
Everyone was thrilled with Kuzmenko, the cheaper replacement for Boeser who wanted out and asked twice.
The Pettersson, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev line were going to be great once Mik got over his knee operation. Kuz and Petey had a great relationship on the ice and were almost like the Sedins in down low passing. Even Tocchet commented on how well they played but they did need a down low checker.

Now along comes the first of the year. Tocchet instructs the players to work hard but Kuz puts videos of his work outs in the Caribbean looking like he is having a gas (fun).

From Day one Tocchet starts in on lack of physical readiness BUT Kuzmenko is performing ALL the testing superior to his first year and not last of all the players. He passed the physicals easily. I think it was even mentioned how good and was suggested that maybe the rest of the players take up his routine in the Caribbean.

But "Tocchet says" he is not in the best shape, or the shape "he wants". Tocchet mentions Mikheyev and how much better he will be once his knee comes around more. Now that doesn't sound bad overall but he just said Mikheyev is too slow.

Podkolzin was demoted immediately so that only left two and one was going to be run out.
You know that I was a little disappointed in Canuck fans that they would attack a 2nd year player that badly undermining his confidence like Tocchet did and got a trophy for. Why on earth is a more expensive player that can't do as much and having asked to be traded twice being supported but a sophmore player is buried and then stomped on. Do fans have any idea what that says to some players? Here is a top prospect that can sign with ANY team in the league, courted by many teams and his CHOICE was Vancouver, his choice out of 32 teams.
AND here are two player that don't want to be here that had no choice before but with their first choice is they want a trade.

Based on just the obvious rumours. ONLY THE CANUCK RUSSIANS, ALL OF THEM, ARE IN TRADE RUMOURS OR TALK OF DOGHOUSES only Canucks an al of them, No others. Even one's wanting trades.



As I pointed out the only Canucks rumours are any Russian on the team, all of them, even Podkolzin.

Pods will likely be included in a Silverberg/Henrique trade.


Why do you think Zad signed only a one year contract?

What a load of useless conjectured tiktok quality stuff.

What about all the other rumored trade players..i think they spanned several countries

 

[Wisp]

After seeing what Winnipeg gave up to get overrated Monahan. I now consider the Lindholm trade a win.

But have you considered the reason Winnipeg had to give up so much is because of what the Canucks paid for Lindholm.

Canucks got their guy but also set the market and made it cost prohibitive for other teams to improve.

 

[Coffee]

I know that most posters only see what is 2 feet in front of them and rarely do the work needed for a "depth" look,
Like how many posters are aware of the number of high profile players that wanted trades while Tocchet was the coach? Many of these were in the public domain and well known. OEL was such a problem he was dealt under the guise of the cap need. The cap space achieved did little to help the team. Sure everyone says Hronek, but he was just replacing Horvat's cap hit.

Back to what I am implying; LAST season before Tocchet and shortly after him but still last season.
Everyone was thrilled with Kuzmenko, the cheaper replacement for Boeser who wanted out and asked twice, even had his agent looking around for him to move.

The Pettersson, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev line were going to be great once Mik got over his knee operation. Kuz and Petey had a great relationship on the ice and were almost like the Sedins in down low passing. Even Tocchet commented on how well they played but they did need a down low checker who was expected to be Mikheyev.

Now along comes the first of the year. Tocchet instructs the players to work hard but Kuz puts videos of his work outs in the Caribbean looking like he is having a gas (fun).

From Day one Tocchet starts in on lack of physical readiness BUT Kuzmenko is performing ALL the testing superior to his first year and not last of all the players. He passed the physicals easily. I think it was even mentioned how good and was suggested that maybe the rest of the players take up his routine in the Caribbean.

But "Tocchet says" he is not in the best shape, or the shape "he wants". Then Tocchet mentions Mikheyev and how much better he will be once his knee comes around more. Now that doesn't sound bad overall but he just said Mikheyev is too slow.

Podkolzin was demoted immediately so that only left two and one was going to be run out.

You know that I was a little disappointed in Canuck fans that they would attack a 2nd year player that badly undermining his confidence like Tocchet did and got a trophy for.

Why on earth is a more expensive player that can't do as much and having asked to be traded twice being supported but a sophomore player is buried, stomped on and have everything possible done to erode his confidence. A second year player. Do fans have any idea what that says to some FA players? Here is a top prospect that can sign with ANY team in the league, courted by many teams and his CHOICE was Vancouver, his choice out of 32 teams. And then has to waive his contract to get out from under this type of "old school" coaching and attitude.

AND there are two players that don't want to be here so badly that even under contract they want out and it is publicly known.

Based on just the obvious rumours. ONLY THE CANUCK RUSSIANS, ALL OF THEM, ARE IN TRADE RUMOURS OR TALK OF DOGHOUSES only Canuck Russians and all of them, No others. Even one's wanting trades are not mentioned, everything is filtered and the sponsor's media is doing everything they can to re-write history about these players wanting away from Vancouver and be traded.

In summary, the poster expresses frustration with the coaching decisions of Tocchet for the Vancouver Canucks, particularly highlighting the treatment of young Russian players like Kuzmenko and Podkolzin.

The poster questions why more expensive players with trade requests are supported while a promising sophomore player faces criticism and a loss of confidence. They emphasize the negative impact this may have on the team’s reputation and recruitment of future free agents.

The poster also criticizes the media for allegedly downplaying trade rumors involving Canuck Russian players and rewriting the narrative around their desire to leave Vancouver.

 

[theguardianII]

What a load of useless conjectured tiktok quality stuff.

What about all the other rumored trade players..i think they spanned several countries

What other countries from Canucks current players are rumoured?
I am pointing out Canucks players not the league. Tocchet has little to do with the rest of the league.

Last year before Tocchet, Mikheyev was a possible steal, Kuzmenko was a treasure prize winning draw, Petey and Kuz played great together, Podkolzin got a look but was destined for the farm.

The this year, trade requests are submitted, noted then an attempt to bury them.

Canucks trade for Zadorov and there is even more pressure on Kuz. Then "trade Zadorov" rumours. Why not trade Cole rumours, 35 next year, UFA, so that is a punishing contract, over 35 contracts, why not Soucy rumours? Big, younger, cheaper and under contract, why not Hronek rumours? Of all the dmen he might be worth the most in return and create added cap space. The team already has Hughes so another Tanev type fits, right? Why aren't there Myers rumours? He has certainly been the crowd favourite for "getting rid of" for years, but no, Zadorov rumours instead. Just got him and now rumours of getting rid of him?

Canucks have/had 4 Russians on the team.
ALL 4 are the subject of trade rumours.
How many other teams have ALL of one nationality rumoured to be traded?

You remember Keenan used to use the media to spawn trade ideas, create a market for trade he wanted.
Boston used the media to paint the Canucks a bunch of cheaters, divers and cheap shot players in the cup run. They did to Montreal too and got away with it.

AV played the media like a virtuoso, now Tocchet who just did a year on media panels so he is well placed and still has insider media contacts.

 

[Flik]

What other countries from Canucks current players are rumoured?

If I'm not mistaken, Horvat was Canadian, and actually traded. There were also tons of conversations around Boeser and Garland as well, both Americans I think.

So is there some kind of agenda against Canadians, Americans and Russians at play here?

 

[Wisp]

Kuzmenko was treated absolutely appropriately by this organization. You don't have to be a hockey coach to see how he was a weak link out there. No Russian-hate conspiracies required. He was well served by the Canucks and translated his success to a 2 year, $10m contract.

And he wasn't a prospect. Today he turned 28, lol.

Like, people gotta stop getting dazzled by the 39 goals. 27% shooting percentage. Not sustainable, and we saw what kind of player he was when the puck wasn't effortlessly going in, he was drag on his line and not producing in 1st unit powerplay minutes.

 

[Coffee]

If I'm not mistaken, Horvat was Canadian, and actually traded. There were also tons of conversations around Boeser and Garland as well, both Americans I think.

So is there some kind of agenda against Canadians, Americans and Russians at play here?

Don’t tell me you haven’t heard of the Horvat being Russian conspiracy that’s recently caught wind

 

[andora]

What other countries from Canucks current players are rumoured?
I am pointing out Canucks players not the league. Tocchet has little to do with the rest of the league.

Last year before Tocchet, Mikheyev was a possible steal, Kuzmenko was a treasure prize winning draw, Petey and Kuz played great together, Podkolzin got a look but was destined for the farm.

The this year, trade requests are submitted, noted then an attempt to bury them.

Canucks trade for Zadorov and there is even more pressure on Kuz. Then "trade Zadorov" rumours. Why not trade Cole rumours, 35 next year, UFA, so that is a punishing contract, over 35 contracts, why not Soucy rumours? Big, younger, cheaper and under contract, why not Hronek rumours? Of all the dmen he might be worth the most in return and create added cap space. The team already has Hughes so another Tanev type fits, right? Why aren't there Myers rumours? He has certainly been the crowd favourite for "getting rid of" for years, but no, Zadorov rumours instead. Just got him and now rumours of getting rid of him?

Canucks have/had 4 Russians on the team.
ALL 4 are the subject of trade rumours.
How many other teams have ALL of one nationality rumoured to be traded?

You remember Keenan used to use the media to spawn trade ideas, create a market for trade he wanted.
Boston used the media to paint the Canucks a bunch of cheaters, divers and cheap shot players in the cup run. They did to Montreal too and got away with it.

AV played the media like a virtuoso, now Tocchet who just did a year on media panels so he is well placed and still has insider media contacts.

more, and it is the same as the last one. seriously you are actively eliminating all the other rumors this past year and a half about all the other players?

answer one question (if you can) without typing paragraphs and paragraphs. what is your intent for sharing this opinion?

Don’t tell me you haven’t heard of the Horvat being Russian conspiracy that’s recently caught wind

actually Bov Horvatov sounds kinda cool

 

[Coffee]

actually Bov Horvatov sounds kinda cool

Horvat converts to wing after a name change like that

 

[RobertKron]

I know that most posters only see what is 2 feet in front of them and rarely do the work needed for a "depth" look,
Like how many posters are aware of the number of high profile players that wanted trades while Tocchet was the coach? Many of these were in the public domain and well known. OEL was such a problem he was dealt under the guise of the cap need. The cap space achieved did little to help the team. Sure everyone says Hronek, but he was just replacing Horvat's cap hit.

Back to what I am implying; LAST season before Tocchet and shortly after him but still last season.
Everyone was thrilled with Kuzmenko, the cheaper replacement for Boeser who wanted out and asked twice, even had his agent looking around for him to move.

The Pettersson, Kuzmenko and Mikheyev line were going to be great once Mik got over his knee operation. Kuz and Petey had a great relationship on the ice and were almost like the Sedins in down low passing. Even Tocchet commented on how well they played but they did need a down low checker who was expected to be Mikheyev.

Now along comes the first of the year. Tocchet instructs the players to work hard but Kuz puts videos of his work outs in the Caribbean looking like he is having a gas (fun).

From Day one Tocchet starts in on lack of physical readiness BUT Kuzmenko is performing ALL the testing superior to his first year and not last of all the players. He passed the physicals easily. I think it was even mentioned how good and was suggested that maybe the rest of the players take up his routine in the Caribbean.

But "Tocchet says" he is not in the best shape, or the shape "he wants". Then Tocchet mentions Mikheyev and how much better he will be once his knee comes around more. Now that doesn't sound bad overall but he just said Mikheyev is too slow.

Podkolzin was demoted immediately so that only left two and one was going to be run out.

You know that I was a little disappointed in Canuck fans that they would attack a 2nd year player that badly undermining his confidence like Tocchet did and got a trophy for.

Why on earth is a more expensive player that can't do as much and having asked to be traded twice being supported but a sophomore player is buried, stomped on and have everything possible done to erode his confidence. A second year player. Do fans have any idea what that says to some FA players? Here is a top prospect that can sign with ANY team in the league, courted by many teams and his CHOICE was Vancouver, his choice out of 32 teams. And then has to waive his contract to get out from under this type of "old school" coaching and attitude.

AND there are two players that don't want to be here so badly that even under contract they want out and it is publicly known.

Based on just the obvious rumours. ONLY THE CANUCK RUSSIANS, ALL OF THEM, ARE IN TRADE RUMOURS OR TALK OF DOGHOUSES only Canuck Russians and all of them, No others. Even one's wanting trades are not mentioned, everything is filtered and the sponsor's media is doing everything they can to re-write history about these players wanting away from Vancouver and be traded.



As I pointed out the only Canucks rumours are any Russian on the team, all of them, even Podkolzin.

Pods will likely be included in a Silverberg/Henrique trade.


Why do you think Zad signed only a one year contract?

4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH - NO ONE DAY GOD

 

[Coffee]

the normally composed RobertKron with a loaded intro this morning

 

[RobertKron]

the normally composed RobertKron with a loaded intro this morning

Originally I was going to say that this read like a Dr. Bronners bottle, but I think a Time Cube quote is more fitting.

 

[Wisp]

Canucks trade for Zadorov and there is even more pressure on Kuz. Then "trade Zadorov" rumours. Why not trade Cole rumours, 35 next year, UFA, so that is a punishing contract, over 35 contracts, why not Soucy rumours? Big, younger, cheaper and under contract, why not Hronek rumours? Of all the dmen he might be worth the most in return and create added cap space. The team already has Hughes so another Tanev type fits, right? Why aren't there Myers rumours? He has certainly been the crowd favourite for "getting rid of" for years, but no, Zadorov rumours instead. Just got him and now rumours of getting rid of him?

Why not Cole? A UFA they just signed, that would be extremely bad form to trade him the same season they signed him. Agents hate that.

Why not Soucy? Well, he's also a UFA they just committed too, and he has trade protection. And lets be real, he's played better than Zadarov when both have been in the line up.

Why not Hronek? lol, shutup, don't be dumb. He's an incredibly important part of the team's success.

Why not Myers? Well, he's the team's second best right shot defensemen, not ideal, but he's playing well and it helps the team. And he has trade protection.

Why would there be rumours of Zadarov? Well, he's a rental UFA, they have no obligation to keep him just because they traded for him. He's a not a right shot defensemen. He has no trade protection. He is part of a surplus of Left D with Cole and Soucy (who the Canucks have made UFA commitments too)

like you're being daft. Actually look at the damn details. He's in the rumours because he's the easiest to move with the least repercussions. Take off the tin foil hat.