Value of: Chris Kreider

[The Crypto Guy]

I know he's the PF scoring type over playmaker, but this sort of gap is quite different from previous years.

Not having seen many Rangers games, I was curious whether he was simply getting to the net and finishing plays and little else. He's always been able to use his legs to make things happen.

He gets 85% of his production standing in from of the net, that's is bread and butter and probably the best in the league at it. So any team looking for a boost in their PP would want him. He's not going to create much at EV however, he's a below average passer and he's certainly not going to be dangling around making plays out there.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

bread does not want to leave Gotham
NJ is close enuf
Rs will not approach what he will get whether he deserves that or not

to avoid bad look bread will take a deal somewhere next yr
BUT
might take one now close by to Jersey or LI Jersey is pref

bread retained 5.16 to an even 6 per x this season and next

Nemic + Silavey as a core
plus reasonable cap dumps

small adds for balance

Bern this is bad real bad....You are out to lunch on this one....Agree with you Kreider is not the problem and Rangers should keep him...No interest in breadman

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

premise is ridiculous? sez you

premise here is bread has nmc = check
and is family happy here so not waiving in general = check
but maybe waives for close enuf = also check

premise not ridiculous
value is top $ demanded but that is Panarin at almost half

Rs are more likely to keep Kreider, who defies aging short term and may play in top condition another 3 or so yrs before graceful exit another 2-ish yrs after that, unlikely to overcharge Rs relative to his production

Rs not gonna offer anything near $ amount or term bread wants
Panarin smart enuf to see that and will waive before end of next yr
tho not likely this yr unless close - maybe

You are stuck with bread ....Whole point from Jersey fan was Kreider is what we need and he is right it's just not going to happen....

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Why would they trade this guy

 

[Serge]

With him potentially on the trade block, make your offers. Rangers would prefer a youngish LD, but will entertain anything.

He has another 2 years after this season at 6.5M.

Brandon Carlo

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Why would they trade this guy

Zero assists in 20 games as a forward might partially explain why.

 

[Tawnos]

I know he's the PF scoring type over playmaker, but this sort of gap is quite different from previous years.

Not having seen many Rangers games, I was curious whether he was simply getting to the net and finishing plays and little else. He's always been able to use his legs to make things happen.

The thing with Kreider lately... he goes through a stretch like this almost every single season. I'm not really worried about him. He'll turn it around at some point.

The main reason his name got brought up is that he doesn't have an NMC. Unlike Trouba, who I think Drury would be ok trading for a small but decent return, it's going to take a hell of an offer to get Kreider IMO.

 

[StewieP19]

I can see him with Colorado. If Kreider wants due to NTC
What exactly Rangers wants and needs ?

 

[GAGLine]

Why would they trade this guy

A few reasons:

1) Cuylle has emerged this season and is a viable replacement. Granted, having both is better, but Cuylle makes Kreider somewhat expendable.

2) Kreider and Mika aren't working well together at 5 on 5 and haven't been for a while. We've tried to split them up with mixed results, but the experiments never last long and Mika would be way harder to trade.

3) Kreider is going on 34 and, despite his production, he might have more value to the team as a trade chip to bring in some younger assets.

 

[n8]

Hahaha

Devils giving up two of best defensive prospects in hockey for a 33 year old who’d be our 4th or 5th best forward. Tempting!!

Edit- saw this is for Panarin at 50% and still no. I might do one but not both

Both is crazy. I think the fact that Panarin still has 1 year left though is crazy value. He still is an elite 100+ point player. I think the Rangers need LHD more than a RHD right now.

If this was over the summer pre-draft, I'd modify to Silayev + two 2025 2nd. I would ask for the higher and lower ones (keep the middle). If this is during this season, I think we'd have to ask for more. If we are retaining salary (yes, the cap doesn't work for NJD ~$5M coming off cap next year but among like 4 players) the price probably goes up. I don't want to get into cap shenanigans like "do that Rangers take Palaj to make the cap work?" I'll leave that to the "pros"

I can see him with Colorado. If Kreider wants due to NTC
What exactly Rangers wants and needs ?

I would say C and LHD

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

How about Josh Anderson? Two big guys that might benefit from a fresh start. Two more years left each. Kreider is more talented, but also 3 years older.

Rangers would save 1M cap hit per year.

Habs looking for offense while Anderson is not penciled in their top 6.

Just a thought.

If Kreider play for Montréal, im burning the Bell center

 

[n8]

I know he's the PF scoring type over playmaker, but this sort of gap is quite different from previous years.

Not having seen many Rangers games, I was curious whether he was simply getting to the net and finishing plays and little else. He's always been able to use his legs to make things happen.

I remember seeing a social media post that showed the goal scoring leaders from the past 3 years by regions in the o-zone. So Ovechkin was #1 from his office. Leon and Kucherov were #1 from the right side (can't remember who was high and who was low). Kreider is #1 from the front of the net. He's simply the best net front presence in the league in that time span. Masterful puck deflector. The fact that he is on pace for 41 goals and has zero assists is like really missing the point. If you put him on a line with McDavid or MacKinnon, he will passively accumulate a lot of assists. He has zero this season because of Mika. Full stop. He's an absolute demon on the PK and still skates faster than most players in the league.

 

[BLNY]

He gets 85% of his production standing in from of the net, that's is bread and butter and probably the best in the league at it. So any team looking for a boost in their PP would want him. He's not going to create much at EV however, he's a below average passer and he's certainly not going to be dangling around making plays out there.

I wasn't trying to imply that he was capable of dangling the puck. Merely that he has demonstrated the ability to lead a rush or keep up with one; that he wasn't simply a garbage man. And, I was trying to ascertain whether that was still the case.

 

[BLNY]

I remember seeing a social media post that showed the goal scoring leaders from the past 3 years by regions in the o-zone. So Ovechkin was #1 from his office. Leon and Kucherov were #1 from the right side (can't remember who was high and who was low). Kreider is #1 from the front of the net. He's simply the best net front presence in the league in that time span. Masterful puck deflector. The fact that he is on pace for 41 goals and has zero assists is like really missing the point. If you put him on a line with McDavid or MacKinnon, he will passively accumulate a lot of assists. He has zero this season because of Mika. Full stop. He's an absolute demon on the PK and still skates faster than most players in the league.

Appreciate the insight.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I wasn't trying to imply that he was capable of dangling the puck. Merely that he has demonstrated the ability to lead a rush or keep up with one; that he wasn't simply a garbage man. And, I was trying to ascertain whether that was still the case.

Oh well in that case, he's the garbage man. He's not leading much of a rush to do anything other than dump and chase.

 

[Duffy13]

I'd like to see him go to Philly, or Boston just so I can keep hating on him.... Or Montreal to see heads explode.

If he's really been made available, I don't think he would be difficult to move.

 

[n8]

Oh well in that case, he's the garbage man. He's not leading much of a rush to do anything other than dump and chase.

Kreider is usually the player streaking up the ice who should be getting the pass from the transition QB. Again, Mika is the weak link. He's 9th from the bottom in +/- and leads the league (I believe) in games with a -4 rating (3 games). He has two games at -3. I've watched the games too. Mika frequently commits the turnover that turns into an opposition goal. Often in the neutral zone where he should be passing to Kreider to make the zone entry.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern this is bad real bad....You are out to lunch on this one....Agree with you Kreider is not the problem and Rangers should keep him...No interest in breadman

someone said no to both Nemec + Silayev for 50% bread as a core, but was interested in one or the other

I would consider that for Panarin at close to full pop and acceptable other pieces mostly for cap

pt is, your statement does not apply to whole Jersey base
There IS interest in Panarin, depends...

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

someone said no to both Nemec + Silayev for 50% bread as a core, but was interested in one or the other

I would consider that for Panarin at close to full pop and acceptable other pieces mostly for cap

pt is, your statement does not apply to whole Jersey base
There IS interest in Panarin, depends...

No matter retention Bread is not worth Ruth player...If they dealt either player it would only make sense for a comparable young player at a position of need....

No matter retention Bread is not worth Ruth player...If they dealt either player it would only make sense for a comparable young player at a position of need....

either player

 

[StewieP19]

What about a trade Like
To Colorado Kreider
To NYR Ritchie, Girard and Col 2027 1st round pick

 

[One Winged Angel]

What about a trade Like
To Colorado Kreider
To NYR Ritchie, Girard and Col 2027 1st round pick

Done.

 

[Breakers]

So why specially Kreider are the rangers wanting gone?

I swear to god ranger fans are mostly wanting Zibenijad catapulted into the sun.

 

[LokiDog]

So why specially Kreider are the rangers wanting gone?

I swear to god ranger fans are mostly wanting Zibenijad catapulted into the sun.

He’s movable and has positive value. Even his lack of assists this year can largely be attributed to the role he plays and the ineptitude of Zibanejad. Zib didn’t simply decline. He’s having a cataclysmic crash right now that is almost as incredible to behold in a bad way as Ovechkin’s start was in a good way. The same roster has been run back about 5x and they seem complacent and lethargic so a shakeup is needed. Kreider is a piece that can bring back value. That’s really it.