Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[Diversification]

People making the mistake of thinking the last couple of weeks is how the team will fair next season.
This, after doing the same thing last year.

Folks thinking Hirose will be on the team next year, based on a few meaningless games; probably have McDonough and McWard pencilled in as well.

Hirose will play 40+ games next year in the NHL. Avatar bet?

 

[credulous]

It's kinda interesting how the tide turns on certain players and then the reality of how bad or good they are gets skewed.

you're right about oel. he wasn't worth anything near 7m+ in 2021-22 but he was a borderline top 4 defender at worst

you're wrong about boeser though. his numbers are propped up by favorable usage and linemates. his numbers away from pettersson and miller are awful and pettersson and miller's numbers away from boeser are better

 

[Gurn]

Hirose will play 40+ games next year in the NHL. Avatar bet?

Nope- I don't gamble.

 

[sting101]

you're right about oel. he wasn't worth anything near 7m+ in 2021-22 but he was a borderline top 4 defender at worst

you're wrong about boeser though. his numbers are propped up by favorable usage and linemates. his numbers away from pettersson and miller are awful and pettersson and miller's numbers away from boeser are better

LOL who has better numbers away from Pettersson and Miller? You're talking 2 top30 NHL forwards and we know Brock is a scorer not a checker and furthermore the 3rd part of that Miller line the last 2yrs has been Pearson and DiGuiseppe is that another prop player along with poor defense behind them?

Boeser was a competent member of the lotto line you're stuck in a sample size with him hurt and going through mental anguish and it's hard to give him these excuses but until this year i dont think he ever realized how tenuous his career could be and he would be unwanted. His wrist and back has made him adjust his game to being a better playmaker and when/if his wrist can get stronger then he should be able to rack 25-30goals

A motivated Brock will be a decent top 6 scorer next year and is a better bet than Garland or Beauvillier to produce in the top6 going forward. Of course his contract is hefty and a deterrent but it's 2 yrs on a prime aged player who has chemistry and is a glue guy with both Miller and Pettersson

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

What part of making more undefendable excuses for a declining player 9 full months after an injury that generally takes a couple to recover from?

The dawn of reality often comes too late in Canuckville.

It is one of the greatest foibles of being a devoted Canuck FAN-atic; the Kool-aid appears better than it tastes.

Its just astonishing how ill informed you are...He broke his foot in May, and couldn't train all summer, and went to Canuck camp (he was hedging in the post season presser that he should have waited longer before returning)..Meanwhile, you're blabbering something something about how his skating looks off, he needs a skating coach, and he needs to train better in the off season.

A broken foot heals in two months Dr Goodenough,but it can take anywhere from 3 to 6 months to regain normality in the foot.



He is a declining player, who is injury prone..nobody is arguing that.

 

[m9]

I think it's the structure of the buyout that makes a buyout more appealing than it actually is. Having that contract completely off the books for next year is a nice way to build out a roster.

I can see both sides to the argument. Ultimately I don't think it happens though.

 

[me2]

Shortly after Bear arrived there was a play at the end of a period where he was getting ready to push the play forward with 5 or 8 seconds left and his teammates just quit playing and headed to the bench and you could see he was WTF about the habits of the team around him after coming from Carolina, so those quotes aren’t surprising in the least.

Bear also was not here when the the Canucks went 32-15-10 do he never saw the success the team had the previous year. All he saw was a depressed team that knew their year was over and it had barely started.

 

[VanJack]

Would you bring Luke Schenn back for another hurrah in Vancouver? Management loves his toughness and the way he stands up for teammates.

On an affordable 1-2 year deal it's a 'no-brainer' is it not?

 

[Blueangel1891]

Would you bring Luke Schenn back for another hurrah in Vancouver? Management loves his toughness and the way he stands up for teammates.

On an affordable 1-2 year deal it's a 'no-brainer' is it not?

He plays well with Hughes

Hughes Schenn
Gavrikov Hronek
Hirose Bear
Wolanin/Burroughs

If we ever find a solution for OEL and Myers

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I don’t think the argument is about being a good player.

He is.

But for this team and what they need, he should go.

He does not drive play. Is not good defensively. Makes close to $7M.

And is a leading candidate because the team needs cap space and could use that cap towards the defense.

It’s not personal. It’s just business.

 

[arttk]

Shortly after Bear arrived there was a play at the end of a period where he was getting ready to push the play forward with 5 or 8 seconds left and his teammates just quit playing and headed to the bench and you could see he was WTF about the habits of the team around him after coming from Carolina, so those quotes aren’t surprising in the least.

That teammate was Bo

 

[MS]

That teammate was Bo

In my memory it was multiple teammates and I thought Boeser was one too.

 

[arttk]

In my memory it was multiple teammates and I thought Boeser was one too.

Boeser would not be surprising

 

[m9]

Bear's a smart and thoughtful guy, I've enjoyed his interviews during his time. Not surprised he was able to see some issues here pretty quickly.

Weirdly it doesn't really translate in terms of on-ice awareness or smarts for him, but it's also more difficult when you don't trust your coaches or teammates. Maybe it's something he could improve over time.

 

[andora]

Bear's a smart and thoughtful guy, I've enjoyed his interviews during his time. Not surprised he was able to see some issues here pretty quickly.

Weirdly it doesn't really translate in terms of on-ice awareness or smarts for him, but it's also more difficult when you don't trust your coaches or teammates. Maybe it's something he could improve over time.

This is why i don't like following media takes / interviews and normally don't watch players pre or post season availabilities.. it humanizes them. i stupidly watched these ones.. and yeah, he is very likable.. reminds me of a lot of guys i grew up around

also - myers spoke very well, and was likable. i don't like that.

 

[Hansen]

Shortly after Bear arrived there was a play at the end of a period where he was getting ready to push the play forward with 5 or 8 seconds left and his teammates just quit playing and headed to the bench and you could see he was WTF about the habits of the team around him after coming from Carolina, so those quotes aren’t surprising in the least.

Yeah more than once you saw Bear with the puck in our end or the net and absolutely no one tried to make a structure breakout play, everyone bailed the zone and hes left there shaking his head with two forecheckers on him

 

[quat]

It's kinda interesting how the tide turns on certain players and then the reality of how bad or good they are gets skewed.

OEL for instance was a good 2nd pair defenseman in 2021/22 and our 2nd best on the team. Had the toughest defensive assignments with Tyler the tank Myers who he clearly elevated and held water.

Then he breaks his foot, is in a walking boot while others are training and skating has a poor start on a team without structure, poor communications, awful defence partners and goaltending. While this is happening gets re injured a couple times to the point of having to be shut down.

Now he's defined as a awful hockey player that needs to be bought out?

It's pretty much the same with Boeser.

And while i have gripes with these players with how they compete and engage in the game it's conceivable that they can rehabilitate their values enough to be decent top6 top4 players with Miller and Hronek.

In Boesers case 45-12-23-35 since Jan 1st and basically a even +/- once Tocchet got the structure and systems in check around game 48-50.

A .69ppg (56 p/82) -20 player before vs .78ppg (64 p/82) and even +/- after the new year.

Let's git er done!

Give Myers, OEL, and Boeser another chance. Next year will be different because of injuries and bad coaching and yeah.

Or

Don't do that again.
Because that's insane.

Yet, that's probably what's going to happen because nobody wants any of those players and the Canucks don't have enough capital to get rid of them.

The patience some of you have is frankly legendary. OEL is bad because he's run out of tarmac. I'm sure the injury set him back a bit, but it's grasping at the thinnest of straws thinking he's going to find his game again. The Canucks were terrible when apparently OEL was a good second pairing guy. He wasn't. It was as much Myers just playing a few more of his ceiling games that year and OEL was at best a manageable third pairing defender.

I think we've all witnessed far too many shitty games and somehow crawling close to below average is deemed good. This team is never good when it matters. I'm confident that Boeser, OEL and Myers are decent people, but please for the love of Pete, make them go away.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

What if OEL takes banned drugs, like super performance enhancers and comes back amazing THEN gets us into the playoffs THEN wins us a cup THEN gets caught THEN his contract is nullified THEN enters substance abuse programs BUT he comes out an amazing human and sells a series of books about self discovery so we don’t feel bad for him

I think that’s our best case Ontario

 

[Nick Lang]

Hughes, Bear, Hronek, and OEL (if he can return to being a decent Dman) would probably be a slightly below average top 4. If we could add Carlo from Boston and Gavrikov from LA that would give us an ideal mix of Physicalty, Skill, Mobility on the back end and probably make us a top 10 Dcore in the league.

That being said Myers, Garland and Boeser would all have to be traded for that to happen and we would have to have more clearity on if Poolman is able to play and if Pearson returns.

I think the Pearson injury is going to go to a grievence regardless of the outcome.

I hope Podz and Hoglander have big summers as there are a couple of other players like Mcdonough and Karlsson who will probably be pushing for spots come training camp. I wonder if Podz or Hoglander would be attractive enough to a team like Boston for them to consider moving Carlo.

I like Burroughs but I dont think he is going to resign here. There is a lot of competition for the 7/8 spots already and I think there are teams would be willing to give him a Stetcher/Biega like contract

Mik- Petey- Kuz
Beau- Miller - Garland/Boeser
Pearson - ???? - Garland/Boeser
????? - Alman - Joshua

With Hoglander, Karlsson, Mcdonough, Kravstov, and Podz all competing for 1 winger spot is probably one of the weaker forward groups we have had in a while but

Hughes - Bear
OEL - Hronek
?????-Myers

Wolanin, Brisebos, Woo, Hirose, Johansson, Poolman, Dermott (?) is probably one of the deepest D groups we have had in a long time. Even though that isnt saying much.

This is without potential trades happening though

This is deep? Yes you are correct it's not saying much and it's also littered with crap. However this is the first time in a decade they are actually looking at filling depth positions without going out and paying a tonne ala Dermott who sucked from day 1 and Poolman who also sucked pretty bad as an acquisition.

We should be able to easily ice the LD side but the RD still needs another top 4 and these guys are not able to be counted on for the 3rd RD either. Maybe Johannson but that's the opposite of depth on the RD. It looks like Bear is possibly sticking around much to my disappointment so I guess he's depth but man he sucks pretty bad too.

 

[Svencouver]

Let's say a team like Pittsburgh (or a team similar) decides to start a rebuild this year. Doesn't have to be the pens, but a team in a similar position. No cap considerations. Who would you trade our first this year for, if anyone?

 

[Gstank]

Let's say a team like Pittsburgh (or a team similar) decides to start a rebuild this year. Doesn't have to be the pens, but a team in a similar position. No cap considerations. Who would you trade our first this year for, if anyone?

Who is the player we are getting back in return? For example if Lindholm or Hanifin were available and they added Zary I would consider it

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

The lack of news here is evident by @Vector 's declining post per day stats.

Should have sold high on this mod.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

What if OEL takes banned drugs, like super performance enhancers and comes back amazing THEN gets us into the playoffs THEN wins us a cup THEN gets caught THEN his contract is nullified THEN enters substance abuse programs BUT he comes out an amazing human and sells a series of books about self discovery so we don’t feel bad for him

I think that’s our best case Ontario

Yeah it doesn’t take rocket appliances to see that is the best option

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Second off season for this management group to try to clear cap space. Last year they shed $2.5 million by moving Dickinson for a second so my expectations are much lower. Cap is just really hard to move.

In light of that I’d be happy moving one of Boeser, Garland or Beaulivier but ideally two. I think these will be the least costly assets to move and you might even be able to get an asset or a slightly overpaid player back in return. We just have too much cap allocated to top six wingers and that needs to be addressed.
OEL can only be a cap move by a buyout and it doesn’t sound like that’s happening. Maybe try to move Myers with some retention but even then the price is likely a second pick.

So lowered expectations this off season. In a mostly flat cap world I just can’t see a lot of contracts being dumped.

 

[tradervik]

The lack of news here is evident by @Vector 's declining post per day stats.

Should have sold high on this mod.

Yep, he could have been traded for a haul. Let’s hope he has a really big offseason and shows up at camp in great shape.