Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

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If you look across the league there's not really many options that make sense.

Kotkianiemi is the only one that makes sense for all parties involved. Carolina really should made a legitimate offer this year instead of trying to bargain hunt.

KK + 1st + prospect should be enough.

I wouldn’t make that trade unless the prospect is Nikishin and he’s able to come over right away. I don’t think much of Kotkaniemi even with his uptick in production to end the season.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I wouldn’t make that trade unless the prospect is Nikishin and he’s able to come over right away. I don’t think much of Kotkaniemi even with his uptick in production to end the season.

They didn't put Nikishin on the table for Meier so they definitely won't for Miller.

There's really no other trade out there that makes sense tbh. Maybe one of the centers in Nashville? I just don't see any reason why Nashville would trade any of their young centers (Glass, Novak). Maybe Tomasino?? Is a late first from a contender enough?

 

[andora]

Meh I would say their prospect pool is around 10-15. The only real standout is Niskanen other then that its a lot of B-B+ guys. But their system has a lot of D and C prospects who fit our needs so if they get bounced early I could see them poking around at Miller

It matters how they transition into that system.. if they can keep plugging in their bottom pair and bottom six that is gold

I definitely think they have the framework of a deal for a young C. The Names that come to mind are Roy, Krebs, Dellandrea and Glass. I think that Hayton and Kotkaniemi could potentially be available but I think Carolina would be wanting to upgrade on Kotkaniemi if they were to trade him.

Dellandrea is a beauty.. like a perfect fit
Him and johnston though dallas shouldnt be parting with them

 

[Ernie]

I don't know why they'd trade Garland, the guy can drive play from the 3rd line. Not a lot of other players can do that without some additional skill on their own. Beauvillier and especially Boeser should be much higher on the trade list - both those players have to be stapled to Miller or Pettersson to be effective.

 

[m9]

I don't know why they'd trade Garland, the guy can drive play from the 3rd line. Not a lot of other players can do that without some additional skill on their own. Beauvillier and especially Boeser should be much higher on the trade list - both those players have to be stapled to Miller or Pettersson to be effective.

I think some have discussed Garland as a "luxury" piece and I kind of agree with that.

You can pay a 3rd line winger 5 million bucks.. but only if the rest of the contracts on your team are efficient. If you have cheap contributors in your top six and/or no boat anchor contracts on your roster then you have room for Garland.

I am intrigued by the short-term idea of running a Joshua/Aman/Garland "3rd" line which would basically be a 3rd line in terms of offensive efficiency but a 4th line in terms of deployment. I think this would be a backup option if they can't get a legit 3C and instead rely on a cheaper, defensive bottom-six center like Blueger.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I think we should trade JT Miller for 2 1sts.

Get super pumped for having 2 1sts for about a week or two.

Then trade said 1sts for a 25yr old 2C who is an upcoming RFA with a lingering injury.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I think we should trade JT Miller for 2 1sts.

Get super pumped for having 2 1sts for about a week or two.

Then trade said 1sts for a 25yr old 2C who is an upcoming RFA with a lingering injury.

I know you're being facetious, but if we could trade Miller for two 1sts, flip one of them in a package for a C, and come up with two 1sts in the draft, you'd be crazy not to do that. That contract is going to hurt someone eventually and I don't want it to be us. I don't want to have gone through 9 years of overspending and bloated, anchor contracts for 2-3 years of maybe winning a round and then overspending and having bloated, anchor contracts.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I know you're being facetious, but if we could trade Miller for two 1sts, flip one of them in a package for a C, and come up with two 1sts in the draft, you'd be crazy not to do that. That contract is going to hurt someone eventually and I don't want it to be us. I don't want to have gone through 9 years of overspending and bloated, anchor contracts for 2-3 years of maybe winning a round and then overspending and having bloated, anchor contracts.

Oh I agree and I think that's what mgmt's intentions were.

Trade JT for 2 1sts and a good prospect. Sounds like the Pens got Part 1 but could/would not get to Part 2.

I think that ship has sailed given the overhaul in Pitt which is unfortunate.

But if the Nucks do find a taker, I'd target Ottawa.

IF they are confident Norris can come back healthy, I think Pinto could be had.

That or target a potential 3C who can grow into a 2C (Greig).

 

[Ernie]

I think some have discussed Garland as a "luxury" piece and I kind of agree with that.

You can pay a 3rd line winger 5 million bucks.. but only if the rest of the contracts on your team are efficient. If you have cheap contributors in your top six and/or no boat anchor contracts on your roster then you have room for Garland.

I am intrigued by the short-term idea of running a Joshua/Aman/Garland "3rd" line which would basically be a 3rd line in terms of offensive efficiency but a 4th line in terms of deployment. I think this would be a backup option if they can't get a legit 3C and instead rely on a cheaper, defensive bottom-six center like Blueger.

I think too much is made of what line players deploy on.

If the guy can win the possession battle with two minimum salary players, as Garland can do, he's good value down the lineup.

He's well worth the extra $1m over Beauvillier.

Obviously quality penalty killers is a priority but none of these wingers are effective in that role.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Oh I agree and I think that's what mgmt's intentions were.

Trade JT for 2 1sts and a good prospect. Sounds like the Pens got Part 1 but could/would not get to Part 2.

I think that ship has sailed given the overhaul in Pitt which is unfortunate.

But if the Nucks do find a taker, I'd target Ottawa.

IF they are confident Norris can come back healthy, I think Pinto could be had.

That or target a potential 3C who can grow into a 2C (Greig).

I just don’t see the fit with Ottawa cap-wise. I don’t see them being able to add another 8m dollar forward. Won’t Miller have a NMC soon as well?

 

[Diversification]

I think too much is made of what line players deploy on.

If the guy can win the possession battle with two minimum salary players, as Garland can do, he's good value down the lineup.

He's well worth the extra $1m over Beauvillier.

Obviously quality penalty killers is a priority but none of these wingers are effective in that role.

This presupposes that Beauvillier is not overpaid. There's a reason he was considered as a cap dump in the Horvat trade.

That said, all things being equal, I would happily keep Garland over Boeser. I would also happily keep Beauvillier over Boeser. It just depends on the market and how much retention is needed not to have salary sent back the other way.

 

[m9]

I think too much is made of what line players deploy on.

If the guy can win the possession battle with two minimum salary players, as Garland can do, he's good value down the lineup.

He's well worth the extra $1m over Beauvillier.

Obviously quality penalty killers is a priority but none of these wingers are effective in that role.

Yup, I don't disagree with any of this. Ideally you have Garland in that role.

But that role isn't more important than a good two-way center. Or a top4 defenseman. And with the bad contracts on this team, you can't have everything.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I just don’t see the fit with Ottawa cap-wise. I don’t see them being able to add another 8m dollar forward. Won’t Miller have a NMC soon as well?

I don't see Ottawa as a trade part to acquire JT.

It would be trading JT elsewhere and using part of the return to target Ottawa for a JT replacement.

Similar to the "one armed man" Hronek.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Demko having a baby in the offseason..... should probably look into a legit backup.

 

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